.30 TC, great quote in American Rifleman


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ArmedBear
September 18, 2007, 04:58 PM
This pretty much sums it up.

Of course, critics will no doubt question the need for another .30 cal. cartridge that merely duplicates what a .30-06 Sprg. already achieves. But that's not really the point. For those of us who just like to shoot and hunt with as many different cartridges as possible, Hornady has turned out another winner.

AR, September 2007, p. 63.

I was reading that in the bathroom, and I just started cracking up.

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Eyesac
September 18, 2007, 05:13 PM
Hehe...

eliphalet
September 18, 2007, 05:13 PM
I kinda though the same thing, or along the lines of " why"?

Seems we have been seeing a lot of new "winners" lately. Some appear to be having a hard time staying in the winners circle.

Bartkowski
September 18, 2007, 05:25 PM
Is it just marketing, or does it actually do what the 30-06 can do? It just seems hard to believe that something that much smaller could do it, but a .308 can't.

ArmedBear
September 18, 2007, 05:29 PM
Well, the specs they have for it don't include anything over 165 grains. The velocities are slightly higher than factory .308, but really not enough to matter.

So I'm betting it WON'T do what a .30-06 CAN do, like fit a 220 grain bullet or push a 180 at over 2900.

Of course it's a short-action round. But I can't see that it's really more capable than a .308 in any meaningful way, either.

Geno
September 18, 2007, 05:33 PM
The .30 TC seems the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Bartkowski
September 18, 2007, 05:35 PM
The .30 TC seems the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I remember reading you or someone else say that about the .450 marlin too, but it is true.

ArmedBear
September 18, 2007, 05:43 PM
What's especially strange is that Hornady itself sells "Light Magnum" .308 that beats the .308 TC by a hair.

MCgunner
September 18, 2007, 06:10 PM
The ballistics they give in the AR article are for a 24" barrel, I believe, too. It is so close to .308 standard loads it's plain stupid IMHO. And, the .308 will do anything the .30-06 can do up to about 180 grains and in the lower 48, it's really all you need. I don't understand the logic behind even introducing this round, personally. It's just to have "TC" on a headstamp I guess. Ridiculous. It's a short cartridge so I doubt it'll perform with the 06 with heavy bullets.

I was reading that in the bathroom, and I just started cracking up.

Funny, I RE-read the same line in the bathroom earlier, too. LOL Hope everything came out alright for you. :D

PercyShelley
September 18, 2007, 06:28 PM
.30 TC:.308::.308:.30-06

It's a smaller capacity cartridge that ostensibly matches the older, larger one thanks to propellant advances.

Jim Watson
September 18, 2007, 06:30 PM
Yup.
And what happens when the poor handloader can't get the special order powder they use and can't come close to factory velocity?
I guess part of the marketing program is to sell more factory ammunition.

steveno
September 18, 2007, 07:23 PM
just a 300 savage to a higher pressure

eliphalet
September 18, 2007, 07:34 PM
Seems several of have the same reading material in the same area of the house.

aspade
September 18, 2007, 08:09 PM
The .30 TC is a .308 shortened by about 0.1". Loaded apples to apples, light mag against light mag, the .308 is 30fps faster.

If you ask me, the competition for the most redundant and useless cartridge of the 21st century is already over.

WuzYoungOnceToo
September 18, 2007, 08:20 PM
"Eureaka! I have just discovered a cure for which there is no known disease!"

Nolo
September 18, 2007, 08:34 PM
Wow.
That's just...
Pointless.
I was all kinda psyched up for a 7.62x39 that shot like a .308, but this is nothing special. It's like the .50 DTC Euro, but without the Europeans...
Why not just load the .308 to .30-06 velocities?

ArmedBear
September 18, 2007, 08:58 PM
Hornady already DOES sell an off-the-shelf hot .308. That's what's even stranger, since the TC is a Hornady product.

The .50 DTC is good for one thing. New .50 BMG rifles are illegal for sale in California. However, DTC rifles are perfectly legal.

Agreed... If it were a 7.62x39, or an AR-size cartridge, it would be a cool innovation. .308 performance from a mini-Mauser sized action or an AR? That would be a big step forward.

But in a .308-sized action? What's the big deal about that? So, it's "shorter". Who will even notice, especially in a standard short action?

Nolo
September 18, 2007, 09:09 PM
The .50 DTC is good for one thing. New .50 BMG rifles are illegal for sale in California. However, DTC rifles are perfectly legal.
That's what I meant by "without the Europeans". Meaning DTC has one use, this one doesn't.
I've actually got a design on the books that is 7.62x39 with a 150-grain bullet and shoots at 2700 fps. There are some neat new powders I recently learned of that can reduce the powder load by half.
I thought I was gonna be beaten to the punch by this.

eliphalet
September 18, 2007, 10:42 PM
Might be a good gun to watch for used in a few years if your a reloader. Calibers that don't fair well in the marketplace can be bought cheap sometimes in the not to distant future.

Geno
September 18, 2007, 10:48 PM
The real test of the puddin' will be when TC develops the .27 TC to try to recreate the .270 Win V. .30-06 Sprg. contention. :neener:

Of course, perhaps now that they are owned by S&W, they can develop an Encore revolver, or an M&P Contender.

I couldn't resist that.

Doc2005

BobMcG
September 18, 2007, 10:52 PM
Yup, a .300 Savage if loaded with the new powder would probably be very close to the .30 TC for sure.

*...and the reading room material. :p

MCgunner
September 19, 2007, 11:42 AM
It's a nice looking rifle. If I bought one used after it cratered from lack of sales, I think I'd look into getting it re-chambered to .308.

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