Scoping my Saiga and rescoping my FAL


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Deer Hunter
September 20, 2007, 11:40 AM
I'm planning on buying two scopes from Kalinka Optics today, and was wanding some imput. I'm leaning toward a fixed power 6x side-mounted AK scope for my 5.56mm saiga. Is there really any reason I'd need an 8x?

Looking at these two scopes.

8x
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/images/sighting_devices/posp_pso/posp_6x42v_1_600.jpg
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=324

6x
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/images/sighting_devices/posp_pso/posp_8x42vd_1_600.jpg
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=78

Also, I'm looking to upgrade my FAL's scope to something a bit better. I saw that Kalinka had some weaver versions of their scopes. I was looking between these two scopes. Kinda leaning toward the adjustable zoom one.

8x, fixed
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/images/sighting_devices/posp_pso/posp_8x42w_1_600.jpg
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=517

2.5x5x
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/images/sighting_devices/posp_pso/posp_2&5_5x24wd_1_600.jpg
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=575

Any constructive imput would be helpful.

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silverlance
September 20, 2007, 11:58 AM
i personally like 4x scopes a lot. it's usually enough power for anything. remember, all the famous russian snipers of wwii used 3.5 power PU or PE scopes.

USSR
September 20, 2007, 12:13 PM
3-9x40 Mildot in TPS tactical rings. Mounts very low for a good cheekweld.

Don

http://www.ussr.baka.com/FAL1.jpg

Bwana John
September 20, 2007, 12:54 PM
Mounts very low for a good cheekweld.
I have not seen ANY scope mount for a FAL that will mount low enough for a good cheekweld(with an OEM stock)
PS The Austrian StG 58 stock seems to be the tallest of all OEM stocks, but still are not tall enought for a scope mounted.

Deer Hunter
September 20, 2007, 01:09 PM
oops, disregard

Deer Hunter
September 20, 2007, 01:12 PM
I can get a pretty solid cheek weld on my STG58 as it is, but my scope's eye relief is WAY too short. It's uncomfortable, so I figured I'd get it something better. The 2.5x5 x scope looks like it would actually set lower than the one I have on my FAL right now.

And the major differences between a 4x24 power and a 6x42 power scope in the POSP series are the eye relief (70mm to 75mm, respectively) and the field of view (6 degress to 4 degrees, again, respectively). What do these small details really mean if I were to compare these two scopes?

USSR
September 20, 2007, 02:56 PM
I have not seen ANY scope mount for a FAL that will mount low enough for a good cheekweld(with an OEM stock)
PS The Austrian StG 58 stock seems to be the tallest of all OEM stocks, but still are not tall enought for a scope mounted.

Bwana John,

Take a good close look at the pic I posted. The peep sight is at it's lowest setting. Were it to be raised to it's highest setting, the peep would be near the center line of the eyepiece. There is very little clearance between the bottom of the scope and the picatinny rail, but it is there. This is one sweet setup for a FAL.

Don

KadicDeshi
September 20, 2007, 03:05 PM
I have an AK mount style 2.5-5 POSP. I must say that I'm not impressed. The reticle drastically changes sizes when the power is adjusted. When on 2.5x, the reticle is downright tiny. It only looks close to right when using it on 5x.

I have the same style POSP in 4x that I like much better.

HTH,
Barrett

chris in va
September 20, 2007, 04:47 PM
You may want to get a mount that leaves your options open. Those pictured are dedicated just for those scopes.

I think someone on TFL is selling their factory Saiga 1" ring mount for about $40.

My friend has one of those Russian black dot scopes for his AK. Honestly it's a real PITA and it loses zero a LOT. We could never get the thing to stay locked down properly.

Deer Hunter
September 20, 2007, 05:46 PM
Well I made up my mind. I ended up purchasing the 2.5x5 power for my FAL and a fixed 4 power side-mount for my Saiga. I hope I like them. Any idea how long it'll take for these things to be shipped?

Once I get them installed, I'll probably do a report over them. Thanks guys.

Don't Tread On Me
September 21, 2007, 12:48 AM
The primary advantage of the Russian scopes is the reticle. The Dragunov style reticle is very useful. I really like the chevron as the point of aim. No vertical crosshair above the POA gives a nice clear view. The horizontal mil hash come in handy to range objects (other than humans). The best feature of all is the range finder. It is a sloped scale that ranges the average height of a man standing. Some of these models also have a 2nd slope which ranges a prone target.


I've seen some of these Russian scopes in person. If they are genuine Zenit scopes, the optical quality isn't bad at all. They are in the Burris FFII - Leupold VX-II ballpark. The only negative is their coatings. I prefer a neutral uncolored view. I believe their coatings are to enhance particular colors in the field. But I'm not sure of that.


You also get illumination and turrets in MOA, some have a BDC cam ...all for a low price. The tubes are very strong, but they feel cheap due to their lightweight. That is because they are magnesium. Some models are not magnesium...the ones I've seen were. Another nice thing is that they are mostly fixed power. 4x, 6x, and 8x are definitely preferred. Less moving parts and that ensures the range finder works. Simple and easy to use.


Overall, they aren't bad at all. I wouldn't say they are as good as any Western duty-grade optics, but they offer other advantages. They are made in such a way where a poorly trained individual can sight, range, adjust and fire on a target at longer ranges thanks to the reticle. And do so in a short amount of time. No mildot system to learn. No counting. These scopes are not like most western scopes that shy away from appearing too militaristic. They are designed to range humans and to be used against humans. Plain and simple. These are not for paper punching. They are for fast engagement of enemies.

The key disadvantage is that you can pretty much forget about any kind of warranty service. Kalinka, while I've never seen, nor anyone I know have seen anything bad from them when it comes to customer service -- on the internet they seem to have a less than satisfactory reputation. If your scope breaks or has a problem, who's going to fix it? Factory is in Belarus. Kalinka can only replace it for you if they want to.

Deer Hunter
September 21, 2007, 01:53 PM
Thanks for the writeup, Tread. I'm really excited about these scopes. I finally get to see what kind of accuracy my saiga actually has.

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