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Bob F.
September 20, 2007, 03:40 PM
Finally got around to trying some pics of my Swedes. Rather than hijack, thought I'd start another.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s110/BobF_photo/Swedes2007015.jpg

See if this works, still learning.

Thanks.
Bob

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BillinNH
September 20, 2007, 03:47 PM
Tell us about the guns. M96 in the imddle and a m38 on bottom, but don't recognize the top

Bill

Bob F.
September 20, 2007, 04:13 PM
Top one's a "Bubba'd" '96. Bought it and the other '96 for 100bucks each some years ago. Like to have truck load of 'em at that price. Problem is, the one I bubba'd is (was) ALL matching #'s, including stock parts. Too soon old, too late smart!

Bob

cracked butt
September 20, 2007, 04:26 PM
Bottom one is a bubba'd M94 or 94/14- most of these rifles were bubba'd, hence the reason for the rediculous prices an untouched example comands.

cracked butt
September 20, 2007, 04:30 PM
Problem is, the one I bubba'd is (was) ALL matching #'s, including stock parts
I bet its a real nice shooter though.
Its sort of a dilema with these swedes- they can't be shot to their full potentioal unless a scope is moutned on them- they are one of the few milsurps worthy of good glass.

Bob F.
September 20, 2007, 06:07 PM
CB: Maybe a 94 Carbine as it has a 18" bbl. See if I can post 3 pics: rear sight, CG 1909, and a target with the scoped 96 bubba!
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s110/BobF_photo/Swedes2007026-1.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s110/BobF_photo/Swedes2007025-1.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s110/BobF_photo/Swedes2007.jpg

The target was from sandbags with a Bushnell. Bubba's wearing Nikon now!

MY "2000 Standard Catalog of Firearms" doesn't have enough info. Insight/input welcome. Also loads for the shorter bbls w/120gr bullets. Seems most are using RL22 with 140's.

Thanks!
Bob

PS: Dang they have Lllooonnnngggg throats! Is Lapau brass longer necked than Win?

cracked butt
September 20, 2007, 06:16 PM
The bottom is definately a 94 or 94/14. It even looks like it has a muzzle extension welded on to bring the barrel to 18." The barrel would have been 17.7" but it was too short to import at the time it was imported.

Is it the bottom carbine with the 1907 date? My 94/14 carbine is also from 1907.

cracked butt
September 20, 2007, 06:20 PM
FWIW here's a few picture of my 94/14 as I found it and in the bottom picture as it is right now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/Picture007-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/Picture008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/DSC00005a.jpg

Bob F.
September 20, 2007, 09:13 PM
Nice guns C-B! Looks like your 94 has a sight similar to the 96. I'd love to mount a "scout scope" on the rear sight without drilling and tapping, but if it's already been bubbad, what the heck!!?? Also wanna work up a load for a 160 gr. Gotta be a helleva brush gun!!

Bob

iamkris
September 20, 2007, 10:09 PM
Here's my Swedes...

1903 Carl Gustav on top

1900 Mauser Obendorf on bottom

http://i12.tinypic.com/5ytdy12.jpg

http://i12.tinypic.com/4xqmy6v.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/5xsk1u8.jpg

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
September 21, 2007, 02:00 AM
That's most assuredly the rear sight for a 94, Bob. Wish I'd known you 20 years ago or I'd have traded you a good pre-chopped stock for that 94 and save you the trouble of working one over.

CB, that's an exceptional 94 you have. Just remember, I'm always looking for another nice, unmolested 94.

Regards,
Rabbit.

BillinNH
September 21, 2007, 08:57 AM
Not to change the subject but what kind of MV do you 94 owners get out of those 18 inch barrels? Is it still an effective deer rifle?

Bill

cracked butt
September 21, 2007, 09:11 AM
Looks like your 94 has a sight similar to the 96
nope, it has the exact same sight as your 94:)

cracked butt
September 21, 2007, 09:42 AM
Not to change the subject but what kind of MV do you 94 owners get out of those 18 inch barrels? Is it still an effective deer rifle?


I'm not sure if this is going to help any, but I've only shot cast loads through my 94. The cast loads that I've chrono'd from the M96s at ~1600fps drop to around 1450fps in the M94. I would expect a velocity drop of 100-150fps from full power loads as well which would still keep the velocity plenty high enough for whitetail hunting.

cracked butt
September 21, 2007, 09:51 AM
and a target with the scoped 96 bubba!

Pretty much any swede that is bedded correctly and not completely shot out will shoot like that:cool: My M41b (basicly a handpicked m96 with a few modifications and a scope mounted to it) will shoot small groups until the barrel heats up.

Here's a picture that gives a glimpse of what the M96 I have pictured above can do. I shot this target on the first day I got the rifle, pulled th first shot because I wasn't expecting such a light trigger. After that, all of the planets aligned and I must have been in the zone that day because the next 4 shots went into less than 3/4"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/swede.jpg

I'm usually good for 1.5" groups with iron sights on milsurps if the rifle is capable of it- all of my swedes and Swiss rifles have been so far.

cracked butt
September 21, 2007, 09:59 AM
Here's the one I like to show off:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13639&d=1085380954

BillinNH
September 21, 2007, 11:01 AM
<I'm not sure if this is going to help any, but I've only shot cast loads through my 94. The cast loads that I've chrono'd from the M96s at ~1600fps drop to around 1450fps in the M94. I would expect a velocity drop of 100-150fps from full power loads as well which would still keep the velocity plenty high enough for whitetail hunting.>

Actually, that is very helpful. Looks like the shorter barrel may bring the effective range in somewhat but it should be useful for deer at frequently encountered ranges. Here in New England most deer are shot within 100 yards. It would really be interesting to have a Swede with a barrel length of 20 inches or less. I'll start checking the gun shows and auction sites.

Bill

iamkris
September 21, 2007, 12:54 PM
Here's the one I like to show off:

Ooooohh, tiger stripes

Bob F.
September 21, 2007, 09:29 PM
Rabbit: All I've done to the stubby is change the front sight blade. It was bubba'd when I got it. I quickly gave $250 for it. I love the round and I love short rifles! A marriage made in ah, well, Sweden!

Kris: pretty!!!!

Bob

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
September 22, 2007, 01:28 AM
Yeah, the 94 is pretty much the ideal (sized) rifle in a nearly perfect caliber for lots of things on the continent, in my opinion. I acquired mine from a foot locker full of shoes my grandmother bought at an estate sale. It was disassembled and wrapped in oil paper in the bottom, underneath all the shoes. She figured my grandfather would wear the shoes and asked if I'd like to have 'those gun parts'. Some unknown Bubba put buckhorn sights on it and a ramped 50's vintage front sight on it. The stock was whittled away to nearly not enough and was in the white- ok, well, it was stripped and full of oil. I refinished it anyway, but later put a rynite stock on it along with a Dayton-Traister trigger.

Regards,
Rabbit.

ROMAK IV
September 22, 2007, 01:35 AM
I'm trying to get a 96, already have a Ljungman. Really nice one, got it at a great price. It shoots well, but seems somewhat temperamental towards ammunition. It also trashes about 1/3 of the brass, even when I use a dry film lube. The 96 I'm trying to get seems in pretty decent shape, will all matching numbers. Hopefully I can afford it the week after next.

lencac
September 22, 2007, 02:22 AM
Ok, Ok, more pics of Swedes. The M96 is a total #s matching, perfect condition Swede and the M38 is a Husqvarna 1943 with a flash hider in near new condition. The CG 63 is just plain spectacular and the M41B sniper is 1900 Oberndorf made. :neener:

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