[mummac]

I have a CZ75BD "Police" model and would like to buy some high capacity mags for it. I can't figure out which ones to get. There are the ones sold by the controversial Reddogxx on gunbroker, the ones from National Magazines, the ones on cheaperthandirt and the ones from CZ-USA. A buddy of mine has two form Reddogxx and they work fine, but the CTD mags are ten bucks cheaper. I can't seem to make a decision here so I thought I'd ask you guys for some help. Thanks.

[Bren]

What was controversial about reddogxx's mags? were they the 16 or 15 rounders? Thanks, Bren

[centermass]

Fine, I see how it is... looking for other people's opinions and all. Just kidding!
For those wondering what the heck I'm talking about, I am the aforementioned "buddy"
Seriously though, don't forget to consider shipping cost. Paul (reddogxx) only charged me $4 for both mags from Alaska (they arrived in three days, no less) and the last thing I purchased from CTD (which was the Hogue fingergroove grip, weighing in at a hefty ounce or two...) cost $8 and took a week. Just a thought which may be a moot point if you are planning to get a whole bunch of stuff from CTD, which will augment the shipping cost. I like the mags I got from reddogxx and stand by them, but as you know I have no experience with the CTD mags. Don't forget to try over at CZForum if the answers do not satisfy you here.

For the previous poster, the mags in question (at least the ones I bought) are the 16 round, metal stepped-base mags. According to reddogxx they are "factory". The "controversy" I think was mostly due to the source of these mags and their "factoriness" (or is it "factorosity"?) I don't care what factory they came from, they are constructed very well and work flawlessly in my experience. Some people are very particular about silly things, and according to Paul (reddogxx) he can provide documentation of their source if required, and proof that they are legit. For more info, visit www.czforum.com and do a search for reddogxx. My dealing with him was excellent.

Anyway mummac, I'll catch you later.

p.s. We had a great time on the 4th, tell your folks "thanks".

[mummac]

This is what I have read:

I think most of the controversy was about his service. He cleared a lot of that up on czforum. The 16 rounders he doesn't sell anymore because he wasn't sure of their legality. The 15 rounders he advertises as factory mags but doesn't give his source. I've read others complain that they look exactly like the mags advertised on CTD as aftermarket.

This is what I have experienced:

My close friend's Reddogxx mags functioned flawlessly through 300 rounds when we went to the range.

I want 5 mags. If the CTD mags are the same or at least function as well as his, I would like to save the $50. I think what I'm going to do is order one of each and then order more of whichever I like best.

[mummac]

Sorry Centermass. Maybe I have too much time on my hands to think about this.

[Bren]

Thanks for the info, I did a search for a reddogxx but got nothing.

I bought 2 16 round mags from him for $26 and asked him if he was sure they were factory. BTW, He shipped them right away.

I still never heard of 16 round factory mags and wanted some facts.

[WonderNine]

I'd replace the word "controversial" with the appropriate one "crooked".

I've seen people seem to be happy with the 16 round CZ mags he's selling.

Personally, I think he's an @$$hole though.

I would recommend you try one and if you like it, get some more.

You can read my thread on him Here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25698)

[centermass]

mummac... Dude, if I could take back all of the time I have "wasted" on thinking about this stuff... I wouldn't, and you know it! That's what hobbies are for, to occupy your time. Don't sweat it, you know I just like hearing myself talk about gun stuff! Why am I still up... don't I have to work in a few hours? Oh well, it's only work.

Bren... there have been some heated discussions on CZForum regarding reddogxx, and he has been involved in most of them to defend himself which I think is pretty cool. If you are still interested in finding them, try doing some club-specific searches on there. If I recall correctly, they were mostly in the CZ 75B CLUB and CZ 75BD POLICE CLUB sections, and possibly GENERAL DISCUSSION. The search function on there is kind of sensitive, be sure you mess with the case sensitivity and search specific functions.

Later. Steve

[Bren]

Ok, thanks guys.

[mummac]

Does anyone have experience with the cheaperthandirt mags?

[faustulus]

no offense wondernine but calling him crooked is a bit harsh. I have dealt with him in the past and while he wasn't the quickest in sending the mag he did get it too me and for a good price. One thing, he ususally describes the mags but also gives pictures. You can tell by looking at them they aren't factory. The one I ordered (a CZ 75) was factory or at least a good copy I trust it enoght to use it in matches. But I could tell from the pics some of the ones he claimed to be factory weren't. as always caveat emptor.

[WonderNine]

Crooked is the correct term. He blatantly lied to me in several emails. Read my thread on this crook above.

[CZF]

Why not spend a little more money and a lot less frustration and buy from CZ-USA. They only have a small supply of the factory 15-shot mags left.
No questions on their reliability, if they don't work, send them back for new ones.

You get factory mags, not mags of dubious origin. You are also supporting
CZ-USA thru your patronage.

1-800-955-4486

[Sean Smith]

Buy CZ factory mags.

[schild]

CZ-USA no longer lists preban mags on their website, unless they recently relisted them. Reddogs mags aren't bad, but I did not feel they were factory mags. Robert Johnson was selling fullsize and compact mags on the CZforum that were factory and in excellent condition. Glad I got some compacts for my P-01.

[12 Volt Man]

FWIW One of my mags is from Cheaper Than Dirt. I have not had any issues with it. It has funtioned and fed fine. Just to be anal, If I carry the gun I only use the factory 15 rounder that came with my CZ75BD.

[Shmackey]

Speaking from experience: Reddogg's mags are shyte.

[faustulus]

Wondernine,
Did you get a pic of the mags?
Here are two he is selling now on gunbroker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10268161

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10179465

The frist are clearly not factory althouh he claims they are.
The second look to be factory (one of the ones I bought and mine functions fine). I am sorry you had a bad experince with him.

[12 Volt Man]

Wondernine,
Did you get a pic of the mags?
Here are two he is selling now on gunbroker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vi...p?Item=10268161

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vi...p?Item=10179465

The frist are clearly not factory althouh he claims they are.
The second look to be factory (one of the ones I bought and mine functions fine). I am sorry you had a bad experince with him.

I agree the second ones look to be what is accepted as "factory".

[Bren]

The two I got are in the 2nd link with the stepped base plate. The follower and catch cut is a little different but the construction is every bit the quality as my PreB mag, including the brushed finish on the back.

Still I would like to hear from Mike if CZ ever made a 16 rounder right before the ban as Reddog claimed.

[centermass]

I am familiar with Wondernine's plight, as I have read about it previous to this thread, I will admit he has a valid argument. That is his right, and I respect how he feels. I also figured it into the equation when I made the decision to purchase reddog's mags. To me, Wondernine's bad experience did not outweigh the positive reactions I had heard. Ultimately, I took a gamble (as we all do when we purchase sight unseen, such as over the internet or mail order) and I am pleased with the results I got.

Schmackey, please give us a review of your experience that is a little more objective than "reddog's mags are shyte." We are all apparently adamant about the subject, and your fervor is compelling, but please be a little more, um specific. :D

I think we all are aware that "factory" mags are somewhat of a myth anyway these days, for crying out loud what firearm company doesn't outsource their magazines? (Note: before anyone starts listing off those few companies that don't, it was a rhetorical question.)

My mags are better than your mags!


:neener: :neener:

I will descend Mt. Molehill now! :)

Have fun all, and stay safe! Steve

[Prodigalshooter]

I'd love to buy hi-cap mags from anyone, but my state govmt has decided for me that I don't need them, in any way shape or form. Thank goodness they are watching out for me!:rolleyes: :banghead: :barf: :cuss: :eek:
I think I used all the right faces !

[Cadwallader]

I ordered two fifteen round mags from CheaperThanDirt for $15 each - they came in identical packaging but weren't identical in all their parts - the bodies both look like the ones in the first GunBroker link above - no stepped base plate, no markings anywhere to indicate manufacturer. One has a follower that looks exactly like the factory 10-round magazine's follower - this one works perfectly in my SA. The other one's follower has a lower flat area across the entire front edge instead of the little "dent" on the right side front of the factory follower, and it doesn't work as reliably (I've only shot a small number of Blazers and Winchester bulk FMJ out of it so far, so I might still find ammo that it likes better or try a Wolff spring or something). For the price I'm satisfied. They were on backorder and I had to wait almost four weeks for them a few months ago.

[WonderNine]

Still I would like to hear from Mike if CZ ever made a 16 rounder right before the ban as Reddog claimed.

I think that the 16 rounders are in fact factory mags and I've heard a few people saying that 16 rounders came with their new CZ guns. But I have a suspicion that they are recent manufacture and not in fact "preban", but they are not marked. I don't think they were necessarily meant for the U.S. market.

[Bren]

Well thanks for the info WonderNine.

They seem to work fine and the springs are stronger than my pre B mag. I know these couldn't be USA mags because they are built to well, I thought maybe Witness mags but they look to much like the originals. At $26 I consider them a deal.
I always suspected that the factory mags that were $38 sold by someone fat ,,, were mags out of the boxes of 75b's that some how only showed up with one mag with the pistol. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't put that passed RSR. :uhoh:

Bren

[PCRCCW]

Ok........enough about "this guy and that guy"....let get to the mags..K?

CZ USA is OUT of Hi Caps for the 75's. They have a small stock for replacements/warranty issues as they arrise and thats it...none for sale.

BUT, enough have been on the market they are easily come by.

USA, ProMag and OEM are the most plentiful....

BEWARE of aftermarket mags. You can spot them easily .......MOST will have 2 locking holes for the catch.....OEM CZ Hi Caps have 1 catch hole and the base plate has the trade mark step in it......
Some aftermarket mags have the stepped plate also...but CZ Mags have lateral machining marks in them....easy to spot.

Pro Mags arent a bad mag....some say they work like OEM's and have good luck with them....some dont. Personally Ive got 4 and they wont drop free like the OEM mags do...but they function well otherwise.

CZUSA mags do come in 15 and 16 round capacities....they changed the follower design that allowed it to drop down farther. They are completely legal as they are the preban mags. A factory change to them allowed for 1 more round............welcome to CZ......:neener: :what:

CZ OEM mags are available on Gunsamerica/gunbroker/auction arms etc. For very reasonable prices.....less than 45$ usually.

Just ask them to guarantee they are OEM mags, have 1 catch hole and the step in the base plate is machined in....not bent sheet metal.......................

I WONT CARRY WITH ANYTHING BUT CZ OEM MAGS......with XP Wolff springs and the good followers.....but thats just me........................

Shoot well..........hope this helps.

[BevrFevr]

I've written about the two hole mags before but I'll add a little more to what PCRCCW said.

The followers are different, they usually have plastic floorplates too. What bugs me most about them is that they rattle like all hell when loaded. Factory mags are stone cold silent when full.

Another thing, look at the back of the mag of a two hole and a factory. At the top the 2hole notch is deep and narrow. The factory notch is shallow and wide.

I have had failures with these (2 hole) mags. But not often. I personally wouldn't carry with them. YMMV. I put a follower from a CZ 10 rounder thinking that this would reduce rattle and improve feeding but no luck.

I think I will take PCRCCW's advice and get wolf springs for all my mags factory or not.

These 2holes are often sold as factory mags by those that don't know and those that do. I bought mine from CDNN for <$15. So I guess for the price they beat a poke in they eye with a sharp stick.

I say buy factory especially if you carry.

-bevr

[Bren]

"and the step in the base plate is machined in....not bent sheet metal"

Both my Pre B and these 16 rounders are stamped stamped, not machined. They are folded over and stamped. :confused:

[MoNsTeR]

FWIW, the factory stepped-baseplate hi-cap that came with my 75B "military" holds 16 rounds.