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memphisrain
September 25, 2007, 10:31 PM
... now that I've got this new great security blanket provided by The Ohio State University!!

Ohio State launches new emergency alert system

Buckeye Alert notifies users though text messaging

COLUMBUS – The Ohio State University has launched a new initiative to contact the campus community through cellular phone text messaging in the event of an emergency. Students, faculty, staff and parents are being encouraged to subscribe to the newly-unveiled Buckeye Alert system, which will provide the Ohio State Department of Public Safety with another tool to keep the campus community informed during an emergency situation.

Rest of article here:http://www.osu.edu/news/newsitem1811

I'm glad they'll be sending me a text message telling me I'm in trouble with gun shots going off around me. :rolleyes: Oh, and also, I'm not allowed to carry pepper spray, knives, batons, or anything else I can use to fend of bad guys. All this in a town that is proportionally more dangerous than New York or L.A.

Oh and Hi all, I'm new here!


mR

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CNYCacher
September 25, 2007, 10:38 PM
attn stdnts: proly a klr hr 2dy. . . . hide!!!

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 25, 2007, 10:43 PM
Well, as there's more than a couple of folks who think that situational awareness is the most important thing you can have to protect yourself, I have a hard time faulting a systems aimed at letting people know what is going on. Especially when they simply bill it as "another tool" rather than a one size fits all solution.

Seancass
September 25, 2007, 10:47 PM
at purdue, they just tested sending text messages and emails durring an emergency. i didnt get a text and received the email 13 hours after it was sent.

i feel safer already.

Blackbeard
September 25, 2007, 11:06 PM
Can you hear me now? BANG!

apollosmith
September 25, 2007, 11:12 PM
Hey, and welcome aboard. I'm pretty new here also.

Thankfully, I work at a state university that has no gun restrictions (despite a lot of efforts to take away our 2A rights). I carry concealed every day on campus and students can also.

The best thing you could do is write to the administration and/or student newspaper and express your disappointment in their desire to make the campus a prime target for those that would illegally use guns by taking away your 2nd amendment right to defend yourself. While most university administrations are too liberal to understand, at least most universities do foster an environment of openness and dialog.

Pax Jordana
September 25, 2007, 11:15 PM
idk, my bff jill? :eek:


We've got that where I go to school (small private catholic college). So far I know of no testing of the system.

Despite the surplus of overly touchy coeds, I haven't been made yet. The guy in the bookstore recognized my permit by its backside (sits beneath my driver's license turned away so my picture doesn't rub off) when I made a credit card purchase. And my religion teacher, a priest, constantly jokes about carrying his gun to class. But hey, if I wore a habit every day I would pack the biggest iron I could find, it certainly won't print.

Sadly, I don't carry to school every day, but i think of it like this. The worst school shooting I know of wounded or killed 33. The odds of it happening at any given school are slim, and the odds of me being one of those people are slimmer yet. If they don't want me armed, I don't want to put myself in danger for anyone else. I'm no sheepdog, I'm no superhero, but I do have my conscience and don't like the thought of leaving behind somebody I could help.

But I run serious risk of being kicked out of school if I get made. So if there were slim odds of me pulling some hero crap before, the odds are just about nil now. A hard place to be.

Welcome to THR. Don't forget to wipe your shoes.

Pilgrim
September 25, 2007, 11:15 PM
Buckeye Alert notifies users though text messaging
Will it also notify people when they are placed on "double secret" probation?

Pilgrim

Geronimo45
September 25, 2007, 11:30 PM
ur abt 2b kld sry :(

LeafsFan
September 25, 2007, 11:57 PM
Well, it is a start, anyway, with the situational awareness, etc.

I would prefer to get texted ahead of time that a killer is loose than discover it for myself when he shoots at me. Might give me that extra minute or two to bug out before he turns me into a statistic.

However it still doesn't solve that little problem of what I should do if the killer gets between me and the exit, especially when I've abided by school's no-gun policy and he hasn't... :uhoh:

Geronimo45
September 26, 2007, 12:00 AM
However it still doesn't solve that little problem of what I should do if the killer gets between me and the exit
Especially if the school decides to pull a lockdown on you.

Avenger29
September 26, 2007, 12:49 AM
Whoo hoo! A text message that I wouldn't receive because my phone is turned off during class, as per University policy! I feel safer already!

I've got a crowbar in my backpack, and a Gerber Gator II in my pocket. I'll take those over a text message any day, but I'd prefer a gun. unfortunatly, I can't get a pistol until I am 21 as per laws in my state (no private purchase or transport, not to mention no carry until 21)...

But you can bet that the day I get my CCW permit I will be packin'. Of course, I may be in an entirely different state by then. Like Utah.

Andrewsky
September 26, 2007, 12:55 AM
I'm thinking about going to the University of Utah for law school.

I'd be able to carry my gun and I wouldn't have to deal with far-left, commie libs all day long.:)

Zen21Tao
September 26, 2007, 12:55 AM
now that I've got this new great security blanket provided by The Ohio State University!!

Maybe they can protect your athletic department from continuing to become victims of (UF) Gator attacks. :D

http://www.photodump.com/direct/slnelly452/leak.jpg

memphisrain
September 26, 2007, 07:48 AM
Maybe they can protect your athletic department from continuing to become victims of (UF) Gator attacks.


Even if I did care, I really don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand. :rolleyes:

Well, as there's more than a couple of folks who think that situational awareness is the most important thing you can have to protect yourself, I have a hard time faulting a systems aimed at letting people know what is going on. Especially when they simply bill it as "another tool" rather than a one size fits all solution.

Yeah, I'll agree with you there, but it just makes me angry that in the wake of VT, they continue to completely disarm us of not only guns, but of other means of protection as well. And this is what they offer. Now that we are the largest university in the country, combined with our media fame thanks to the football team, you can darn well bet that we are a target for any sort of terrorist group. With all of the foreigners here, be it middle easterners, Africans, Mexicans, or you name them, it wouldn't be hard to blend in.

El Tejon
September 26, 2007, 07:58 AM
Welcome to THR. We share your frustration. The Nanny State is endangering all of us with its enforced helplessness and tolerance of EDPs. I would think crazy mad dogs intent on a copycat killing spree would be more of a threat than The Base/terrorists.

Feds just busted someone allegedly prepping for a murder spree at a major university just out my window. I'm shocked that no copy cats killings have transpired yet as November 2008 is coming up and the media needs the bloodshed. Maybe they will wait until spring semester.

RoadkingLarry
September 26, 2007, 08:52 AM
What ever happened to good old fashioned sirens? Sound the sirens every body knows (or should know) that bad crap is happening. Different signal for different stuff. Still works in small town America to summon the volunteer fire department and warn for tornadoes.

Grey54956
September 26, 2007, 09:06 AM
El T,

Based on your location, I suspect that the foiled murder spree was to happen at my Alma Mater. I haven't seen anything in the news yet. Do you have a link?

El Tejon
September 26, 2007, 09:22 AM
Has not made the media. I would imagine that it will not.

4v50 Gary
September 26, 2007, 09:23 AM
With so many unsafe campuses, why not promote on-line attendance instead? Study safely within your dorm or own gun room!

BTW, anybody want to take some classes for me? I'll enroll in the same as yours and all you need to do is set up two computers. Log me in on one. I promise to show up for the graduation. I can use a couple of PhDs.

xsquidgator
September 26, 2007, 09:26 AM
Zen21Tao ,
You rock, even if it is a little off-topic. Go Gators!

Inverness11
September 26, 2007, 09:57 AM
Feds just busted someone allegedly prepping for a murder spree at a major university just out my window. ... Maybe they will wait until spring semester.

Yeah but it's OK though because I'll get at text message and the 'time to cower' siren will go off... :(

TX1911fan
September 26, 2007, 10:11 AM
U of U law school has its share of commie libs.

novaDAK
September 26, 2007, 11:11 AM
These text alerts are useless. GMU (where I attend) started this at the beginning of the semester. They even use it for weather alerts (would be useful) but I found out something interesting.
I was walking through the middle of campus, while a severe thunderstorm was approaching, (actually, more like arriving :D ) anyways, there were several lightning strikes ON campus, probably 1/8 mile from me, anyways, I ducked inside one of the student centers, and about 10 minutes after I left (storm was leaving) I got a text message saying severe thunderstorm approaching...take shelter...

a little late... :rolleyes:

(though we did get a second bad storm about 20-30 minutes later...maybe they were referring to that one and the text system can predict future events? :p

alucard0822
September 26, 2007, 12:03 PM
I am not sure why a university of "higher learning" would basically implement the exact same policies that proved disasterous at VT, disarmament and text/email alerts. The system may be useful if it was promt and descriptive, oddly enough "proly a klr hr 2dy. . . . hide!!!" as posted by CNYcatcher would be useful if it were prompt enough. More than likely it would say "code maroon" without an explanation of what the H$!! that means, or "this is an emergency, proceed to act in an orderly fashion". Not to mention screwups or delays. VA tech proved that when seconds matter the police are only minutes away, and the emergency text should arrive within hours.

It can also be helpful to take a close look at the law/school policies. If it is legal, but aggainst school policy with a penalty of "diciplinary action". I would probably carry under deep concealment, or at least keep something useful in my car or dorm room. When I attended college I kept a can of fox labs and a buck folder in my pack, legal, but aggainst school policy, I just made darn sure no-one saw it. A handgun was and still is not a legal option for CC (we are "probably won't issue" in MD).




yea TERPS!!! :neener:

Deer Hunter
September 26, 2007, 12:31 PM
Texas A&M has the same system. I havn't given them my phone number, though.

gak
September 29, 2007, 01:35 AM
i is bein shot to deth tooo baddd they told us noo guns on campusss, why iz bad guy nott followingg the rulez ?

/send

koja48
September 29, 2007, 09:49 AM
Aha! That explains why the Nuns could intimidate us so years ago . . . they all carried Thompsons or trenchguns under the cape . . .

Pax Jordana
September 29, 2007, 11:50 AM
legal, but aggainst school policy

I was gonna grouse about expulsion, but now I have to figure out what the *heck* my school's policy means. I'll come back to this.

Aha! That explains why the Nuns could intimidate us so years ago

No lie - this guy could hide pistol gripped mossberg in his habit. Heck, he's built like a bouncer, it's not like he'd need it.

kansas45
September 29, 2007, 11:54 AM
:uhoh: WELL! :banghead: That's about the dumest thing I ever heard! :eek:

ilbob
September 29, 2007, 11:56 AM
Well, as there's more than a couple of folks who think that situational awareness is the most important thing you can have to protect yourself, I have a hard time faulting a systems aimed at letting people know what is going on. Especially when they simply bill it as "another tool" rather than a one size fits all solution.
You can bet your bottom dollar that whatever email or text message is sent out will be either so late or so lacking in details that it will be useless. Its just another feel good thing they want to do rather than taking any effective but not PC action.

koja48
September 29, 2007, 02:41 PM
I'll stick with situational awareness & double indemnity insurance, plus some "cutting edge" extras . . . :D

koja48
September 29, 2007, 02:43 PM
And I always was curious about Sister Mary Ithaca . . .

redneckrepairs
September 29, 2007, 02:51 PM
memphisrain welcome , and i have to say that tho i am far beyond university age , and somewhat illiterate , i am pleased to have my daughter bettering herself with higher education . Its even better than in Colorado its a campus by campus issue , but in no event is it criminal to carry , just expellable . However at my little girls place there is NO policy either in support of nor against carry . She is 22 now and carrys some , many from here i suspect would know her from her blog ... anyway all i can say is obey both the laws and the " rules " you happen to be saddled with . neither will las for ever .


Be aware , Be alert , and Be well .

2TransAms
September 29, 2007, 03:03 PM
At least it's a step in the right direction...or at least not in the wrong direction. I still don't see why a siren won't just as well if not better. You hear a siren? Lock the door and take cover. But then the kids locked out in the hall would be sitting ducks...unless they were armed. Which brings up a very good point,if at least two students are shooting at each other,how do the police (assuming that they get there in time) know who the good guy is? Hmm...all things to consider.

Tharg
September 29, 2007, 04:22 PM
Sorry i can't resist... w/ a screen name "memphisrains" ... won't you be <cough> gone in 60 seconds anyway?

<grin>

mbs357
September 29, 2007, 04:38 PM
I don't have a cell phone.
Am I boned?

jerkyman45
September 30, 2007, 01:52 AM
Here our campus cops aren't even armed, they've got Interceptor Crown Vics, but no guns. Needless to say if something bad happens, we're pretty much on our own, and we don't have the benefit of the text message either.

IA_farmboy
September 30, 2007, 03:57 AM
I heard on the radio recently that the Iowa Regent universities were considering arming their campus police forces. I remember that debate going on when I was in college. Perhaps the debate never ended.

I remember reading an article describing the situation when I was in school. The campus police officers were trained as any other police force, that included firearms training. Legally they had the police powers of a state or county trooper (I don't remember which) and the university land was owned by the state and was not city property.

The city police and campus police forces had some kind of agreement that one would back up the other. Also, while the campus police did not have firearms on their person or in their car they did have firearms locked up on campus. This was supposed to make us feel safer I guess. While they couldn't shoot us right away they could still call a city cop or a buddy at the station to come with guns drawn.

There were to be no weapons in the dorms but that didn't stop one guy from shooting my next door neighbor... with a pellet gun. It also didn't keep one of my buddies from having a set of throwing knives. A plastic mace (I think that is what it is called, a spiked ball on a chain?) was confiscated from a student by the Resident Assistant. It was PLASTIC!

I don't know what the policies were on campus, the dorms are a slightly different animal. I do remember that firearms were strictly verboten. I do recall seeing a few young ladies with pepper spray bottles on key rings. I've heard of one young lady defending herself with a sharpened pencil. (The guy attacked her from behind and was choking her by her headphone cord. She drove the pencil into his leg and both ran.) I'm glad they let us keep pencils in the dorms after that.

What did change since I was in school was that along with the debate on allowing the campus police to arm themselves there is also a debate on allowing the students to arm themselves. I kind of doubt the students will get the guns first.

I guess might point of my little brain dump is that the weapons policy is way out of whack. I guess that is on par with most schools. It does sound like the VA Tech shooting brought them a little closer to sanity though.

Prince Yamato
September 30, 2007, 10:09 AM
The University of Texas has had an emergency alert system in place since the Whitman shooting in 1967. It goes something like this:

1) Speakers on campus blast a tornado/ atomic bomb siren
2) Students all look around confused and go, "what the hell is that?"
3) Wait 5 minutes for message

So you basically stand around like a dunce and then the system says, "seek shelter immediately".

Also, given that most professors yell at students for having phones go off in class and can tell when you're checking email during their lectures, don't you think the chances that students most at danger (ie, in class, not in dorm rooms) will never get the message that someone is shooting up campus?

macadore
September 30, 2007, 10:34 AM
Interesting that you should bring up the Whitman case. After Whitman’s initial flurry, students with firearms started shooting back and kept Whitman penned down until the police could take him out. Today those students would be expelled and maybe arrested.

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