[mec]

http://www.milesfortis.com/mcump/mc03.htm

We've added a few new pictures to this

http://www.milesfortis.com/mcump/images/mcump/03/idealhp1.jpg

[Quantrill]

Very nice Mike! I have always been a devotee of Keith bullets and use them often (although not exclusively). I talked to Elmer twice on the phone about bullets. Today, many shooters are too wound up over 50fps difference between jacketed this and jacketed that to appreciate what Elmer designed and why. And how good his bullets work. Elmer knew what he was talking about!! Quantrill

[mec]

Quant' . Notice that the mold in the picture is an IDEAL. Do you happen to know when Lyman bought them out? I have a 421 from lyman also.

and I have two 357 lyman hp molds one is marked 358429hp and the other is 358430 and it is the exact same mold. One guy who heard this said that I was fos and the 430 was the hollow based version (which has another number maybe 311)
I posted a picture and he went away mad.

[Quantrill]

Mike,
I looked through my lastest Lyman manual (47th/eigthth printing) and did not find the year that Lyman bought out Ideal. In the 1973 Lyman "Cast Bullet Handbook", it says Ideal was bought out by Lyman in 1925. That is not to say how long Lyman produced moulds with the Ideal name on it.
Apparently Elmer designed bullets for Saeco, Belding & Mull, Ideal and Lyman. Those are the 4 companies I found in his "Sixguns" in the "Bullet Chapter" and "Cartridge Reloading" chapters. There is on page 286 a picture of a number of "Keith designed Ideal bullets" with a description of each and it's Ideal (and I assume carried over to Lyman) model number. There are a number of pictures in the book that merely give the caliber of the bullet and it's weight and sometimes the manufacturer but no mould number. On page 286, the 358429 is listed as a 173gr. The 358431 is listed as a 160gr hollow base and the 358439 is listed as a 160gr hollow point. There is no 358430 listed. There is listed in the Lyman cast bullet handbook a 358430 in (2) bullet weights, 150gr and 195gr. It is a round nose bullet with (2) grease grooves.
Interesting to look up these oldies but goodies. Quantrill

[JackM]

Apparently Lyman used the Ideal trademark until the 1950's. I'll try to dig up a reference later.

Bye
Jack

[mec]

I screwed up one mold is a 429hp and, like you said, the other is a 439 without the hp on the end. if there is any difference in weight or shape, I cant see it.

At one time, they were called Lyman-Ideal all in one breath.

[Wil Terry]

and I do believe it was marked 358429HP. The bullets were such a P I T A to cast I sold the mold and when I wanted HP bullets would drill the noses of 358429 solids [ with an 1/8" drill bit in a bushing ] that I could cast like shellin' peas. These worked very well indeed in the field.

[mec]

they definately do produce a high rejection rate.