1911 vs S&W 625: Which .45ACP?


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GunNut
September 28, 2007, 06:31 PM
Trying to figure out if I would be better served with a 1911 over my current 4" S&W 625-3.

Which would you rather have and why?

Looking at a SA Loaded SS model LNIB for around $525 OTD. The one I am looking at is an older one with single sided safety, and a NM serial number. Comes with one 10rd magazine. Does not appear to be fired.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/625.jpg

VS

http://www.silversfirearms.com/Photo's/26406.jpg

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rcmodel
September 28, 2007, 06:37 PM
Better served for what?

I have both, and enjoy the 625 for it's fine accuracy, and the fact I don't have to chase my empty brass into the weeds!
It's also one of my favorite go-to guns for car carry, and bumps in the night.

I also enjoy my 1911's, but for totally different reasons.
If the bumps-in-the-night are bumping all the doors and windows at the same time, I'd rather have a 1911!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

rondog
September 28, 2007, 06:37 PM
That's a helluva good price for the SA, better have it. Whatta ya need an ambi safety for anyway?

They say for self-defense, it's hard to beat a wheelgun for reliability. I carry a 1911 myself, but I also like to shoot 'em. So, I'd say either would work, just depends on whatcha wanna do with it. But that's a bargain on the Loaded, IMO. I nearly bought one NIB for $700 (w/ambi safety), and I was ready to jump on it, but couldn't get the seller to communicate with me about meeting up, so I took that as a sign and walked away.

GunNut
September 28, 2007, 06:45 PM
The gun will mostly be used for home defense and the range. Either one is fairly difficult for me to conceal, although the 1911 would be easier.

I know the price is good that's why I'm thinking about it:D.

Then again there is a nice Glock:evil: 36 there that would fit the CCW bill just right.

So many choices, so little money and no job.:banghead:

BikerRN
September 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Something to keep in mind if you are going to use either gun for self defensive purposes;

What are your other guns in regards to safeties, levers and such? The 1911 has a Thumb Safety that requires you to use some "manual dexterity" to operate. The Glock, like a Revolver is a "Point and Shoot" type weapon.

I don't encourage anyone to "mix and match" weapon trigger types because in a real SHTF scenario it may cost you precious time and get you killed. I'm not advocating not getting the 1911, just giving you something to think about.

Personally I own a Glock and a Kahr as well as an assortment of Revolvers and my EDC is a pair of Revolvers. I have missed the safety on a 1911 in a "high stress" situation before. I do not care to repeat the expirience.

Biker

Vern Humphrey
September 28, 2007, 06:58 PM
Stoppages in automatics are far more easily cleared than stoppages in revolvers. And as John Farnam points out in The Farnum Method of Defensive Handgunning, the most common stoppage in either a revolver or an automatic is running out of ammo.

I go with an M1911 and a couple of spare magazines.

Jim Watson
September 28, 2007, 07:29 PM
The correct answer is Both.

Do not trade a gun that you know works for one that you hope works.

By the way, the illustrated Springfield does not have a 10 round magazine. A 10 round single stack .45 magazine protrudes an inch or more, depending on brand.

GunNut
September 28, 2007, 07:34 PM
By the way, the illustrated Springfield does not have a 10 round magazine. A 10 round single stack .45 magazine protrudes an inch or more, depending on brand.

I know i've had a few 1911's in my time. The gun I'm looking at comes with a CMC 10rd magazine with the extended plastic base. Looks strange, but also kind of tactical at the same time.

The 625 does work, but it is definitely not a CCW piece where the 1911 could be if needed.

I'll probably hold on to the 625, but may also pick up the SA.

BikerRN
September 28, 2007, 08:11 PM
The 625 does work, but it is definitely not a CCW piece where the 1911 could be if needed.


I carry a 4" N-Frame S&W as my EDC and I'm not a big guy either. Do you mean I'm not suppossed to carry an N-Frame gun as my EDC? Oh the horror! :evil:

Spend some time and money on good leather and learn how to "dress around the gun" and you may be suprised at what you can hide. Take care and stay safe.

Biker

GunNut
September 28, 2007, 08:50 PM
Biker,

Extreme Deep Carry? or Every day carry?


What holster do you use for your 4" N-frame? What gun? .44mag?

Got any pictures of your setup?

ChuckB
September 28, 2007, 10:15 PM
Had a 625, have a S.A. 1911 Loaded. Love the 1911, miss the 625. Either gun, properly broken in and maintained, should be 100%. I suppose if I sold my 1911 and got another 625, I'd miss the 1911! If I had to choose one over the other, I would carry a 1911 (live in Illinois- won't happen!); for most other uses, such as range or home defense, I'd want the 625.

Chuck

S&Wfan
September 28, 2007, 10:51 PM
I've owned both types and frankly would rather have the 625-3.

The 4" 625 revolvers are THE wheelgun desired right now in many handgun competition disciplines.

I think you'd regret giving up that fine wheelgun.

Currently I'm down to a single 1911, and it is a 3" barreled, aluminum-frame CCW-type, a 1st generation Kimber Ultra CDP. I also traded off my 625-4 5" wheelgun once the rules of the "game" changed in IDPA.

I'll be replacing my steel 1911 pretty soon . . . but if I ran across a nice 4" 625 . . . the 4" wheelgun would be the one I'd go home with. 1911s are a dime a dozen. Not so with the pre-lock 4" 625 revolvers.

T.

Ala Dan
September 28, 2007, 11:08 PM
1911~! ;):D

Zeke Menuar
September 28, 2007, 11:38 PM
I don't care for revolvers of any type.

1911 all the way!

ZM

mavracer
September 28, 2007, 11:43 PM
the correct answer is both

Brian Williams
September 29, 2007, 12:03 AM
S&w 625

Walkalong
September 29, 2007, 12:23 AM
1911

ROLL TIDE

bluetopper
September 29, 2007, 02:12 AM
I'm kinda partial to these two 45acp's.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/bendebval/tauruss2.jpg

BlindJustice
September 29, 2007, 02:16 AM
Hey GunNUt

I'm in Wash State - I have a 625 5 inch Bbl. as well as a
S & W SW1911 5 inch Stainless Steel NOvak FIxed sights
They both have their place, Ilike to use full moon clips in
the wheelgun and save the once fired brass for reloads.
But, I carried the 1911 in the USN and it's the one I want
in my hand when the SHTF.

Where yah at in Wash State? Give me a call at 509 330-0449

We'll talk about the .45 Auto RIm options you have with the 625

BikerRN
September 29, 2007, 04:34 AM
Biker,

Extreme Deep Carry? or Every day carry?


What holster do you use for your 4" N-frame? What gun? .44mag?

Got any pictures of your setup?
__________________


EDC = Everyday Carry

Right now I'm using a Matt Del Fatti OWB, waiting on a Milt Sparks Summer Special II and a Matt Del Fatti IWB.

The gun is a Thunder Ranch Revolver Model 22-4. It's a 45 ACP.

As far as PICS, take a look at Defensive Carry, I post under the same name and have a PIC of my Gun/Holster in the Holster section if you search my old post.

Biker

earplug
September 30, 2007, 12:38 AM
If money for reloads, chasing brass was not A object I'd get the 1911.
If the recoil from A 1911 bothers your more then A revolver get the 625.
Factor in multiply magazines verses cost of 20 moon clips.
I like 1911's but I shoot A 625 because I enjoy it more.
You will be the slow but steady shooter in the club competions, but your little pile of brass will score points in neatness.
You can always get A S&W 642 to carry.
Or start off with A handy 9MM and forget the brass and cost and size issues.

Jimmy Newman
September 30, 2007, 01:03 AM
Just as a side note - if you haven't seen it, there is a video on youtube of Jerry Miculek setting the world record for six shots, reload, six shots with one revolver (2.99 seconds). He's shooting a 625 for that one :).

GunNut
September 30, 2007, 01:09 AM
I guess I will keep my 625-3 and pile of 100 full moon clips, and skip the 1911 for the time being.

I've got other guns that I carry, like a S&W 340PD & 3" 65 in .357mag, and a Glock 19.

Probably going to pick up either a Glock 36 because it fits my hands so well and possibly a S&W 640-1 this week.

Steve

S&Wfan
September 30, 2007, 01:58 AM
Smart guy! Good move . . . and excellent other guns too. You pick 'em well.

Here's my "625," . . . actually a 1980 25-2 target revolver with its 6" barrel shortened to 3 1/4."
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/277718/2220845IMG2474-2.jpg

Man, what a wonderful wheelgun.

I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT . . .

I once won a special match held at a tactical meet against over 30 guys shooting high cap. (mainly) bottom feeders. The rules, that SURELY didn't favor revolvers . . .

1. ANY stock-class handgun, major OR minor power factor.

2. Eighteen steel plates and poppers, spread out over a 45 degree shooting area at various distances from about 10 to 25 yards.

3. ONE manditory reload

4. The match begins with UNLOADED GUNS, in a shut gun case on a table!

5. Fastest time from the beep to the last plate to fall hit wins the prize money.

Most guys used either hi-cap. 1911s, but a few chose 9mm Glock 17s with 33 round magazines. A few also chose single stack 1911s with 10 round magazines. They all counted on clearing 17 steel targets, and using only two magazines . . . and end up with ammo to spare.

Needless to say, I would need TWO reloads to knockdown all eighteen targets IF . . . I didn't miss at all!!! I thought it would be a fun, personal challenge.

I did NOT miss, but the guys who chose their Model 17 Glocks w/ the 33 round magazines surely did, as did all the high cap 1911 competitors. I did it as a crazy joke . . . but ended up waxing everyone in somewhere around 48 seconds.

I shoot this 25-2 best of any handgun . . . and I can reload it as fast as my 1911s. Nawww, nuthin' as fast as Jerry Mickulek, but fast enough in my area. I still can't believe I outshot about 30+ guys with their bottom feeders, starting with empty guns all.;)

I did it as a joke and a good personal challenge . . . but won the money. It ain't about how many bullets you have . . . its about hitting accurately with each one . . . and doing it fast.

I think you were very smart to keep your 4" M625. That gun can only appreciate in value.

T.

shooterer
October 1, 2007, 10:01 AM
I have both and I grab the SW 625JM more than the SA A1

mjrodney
October 1, 2007, 03:47 PM
My bride can handle the 625 better than my 1911's, so the 625 is her bump in the night handgun.

One of the 1911's is mine.

TokyoShapiro
October 4, 2007, 10:25 AM
get both cause you can!

azredhawk44
October 5, 2007, 03:17 PM
Biker's not the only guy who can carry an N-frame.

Over the last month I have developed quite an affinity for carrying my 4" redhawk with a 200gr XTP .44special load. About the same size as your 625, maybe a bit bigger.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p17/azredhawk44/IMG_0939.jpg

Makes me want a Smith 329 to go with it!

I carry it in one of these holsters:

Simply Rugged, by Rob Leahy (http://simplyrugged.com/leather_goods/index.html)

The guy has amazing customer service, and his OWB holster that I use to carry my Redhawk is very comfortable after being broken in.

azredhawk44
October 5, 2007, 03:21 PM
In regards to carrying a big wheelie versus a 1911, I have discovered that the grip of the redhawk revolver is easier to conceal than the 1911 grip, but the cylinder protrudes more than the slide of the 1911. To get around this, having the OWB revolver ride high on the hip hides the cylinder in the kidney area.

shooterer
October 5, 2007, 03:31 PM
Mom! Look what I found on the ground, can I keep it? Pleeeeze.....

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/shooterer/IMG_0939.jpg

shooter429
October 5, 2007, 05:43 PM
.45 acp in a wheelgun, you must be mad. JK But seriously, I see no point. Get the 1911 and do with it what it was designed for. Then go out and buy yourself a nice 629 and run proppr wheelgun ammo in the wheelgun. BTW, I bet you can't guess my favorite caliber. LOL

Shooter429

DawgFvr
October 5, 2007, 07:08 PM
Recommend going with the 625...1911 pistols are a dime a dozen.

Snapping Twig
October 5, 2007, 10:19 PM
I'm a big fan of both. My N frame is a LC and I prefer ACP in a 1911.

So, to answer your question in the only way I know how, I'd have to ask what your intended use is.

To my mind, the revolver is a hunting/range pistol and if need be SD.

The 1911 is a balls-out SD pistol, accept no substitutes.

Add to this, the extra number of rounds in a 1911, the magazine holds 8 and one in the pipe, you've got 9 opportunities to do what you need to do and a tactical reload is also much easier for the average joe.

The revolver is sweet to shoot, no chasing your brass and accurate without a doubt, but as to accuracy, a good 1911 is also a one-big-hole pistol.

I'd advise you to get both. Get the one you want most now and scoop up the other one later.

BTW, I don't intend to sound like a Walter Mitty type. Getting into a gunfight will (hopefully) never become a reality for us, so total rounds and reloads is strictly an academic exercise.

GunNut
October 5, 2007, 11:19 PM
I'll be keeping the 625 and picking up a 1911 when money permits.

Right now my .45AC's are mostly for the range, but hopefully they will get back to being my home defense guns again. I really need the funds to pick up some quality self defense ammo in .45acp first though.

20nickels
October 6, 2007, 12:13 AM
EDC= Extreme Deep Carry :eek:...... Oh, now I know where you guys conceal carry those N frames :D

S&Wfan
October 6, 2007, 11:39 AM
EDC= Extreme Deep Carry ...... Oh, now I know where you guys conceal carry those N frames

Slightly behind the hip, tucked in tight in a comfortable holster!;)

T.

PT-Partners
October 6, 2007, 02:35 PM
Go with what fits your hand, dress, and life style.

For me I keep a 625 .45acp Mountain Gun for snakes and dogs when working the property. I got a few acres. Snake loads will not cycle a semi auto.

Also when one hand is occupied on the steering wheel of a machine, or something similar I, maybe not you, have an easier time still controlling the machine and shooting one handed with a revolver. Now remember this is me and what I am used to. Not you.

On the 1911 I very, very, very, very, much like the flat way it fits inside the waist band and also the ease of point. Again, this is my hand.

Best in what ever you prefer or fits you needs.

Moondoggie
October 7, 2007, 07:07 AM
625 is my wife's bump in the night gun, too. She hates bottomfeeders with a passion.

KurtC
October 7, 2007, 10:03 PM
Gun Nut,

Your 625 is a pre-lock, pre-MIM gun with chrome hammer/trigger and a rare 4" barrel. Don't part with it easily. They will never be making them again.

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