Carrying firearms around a felon.


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snewbie
September 29, 2007, 01:44 PM
I am getting ready to visit some family. One of my In-laws is a convicted felon. It is his house, but I would not be staying in his residence. I would like to take some of my non-felon family members shooting.

What are the laws in regards to carrying firearms around a felon?

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benminer
September 29, 2007, 02:04 PM
IANAL but I am not aware of any laws that restrict the conduct of a gun-carrying non-felon in the presence of a felon. It's his responsibility to keep himself out of trouble; not yours.

PvtPyle
September 29, 2007, 02:18 PM
He can be in possession of the weapon. It is YOUR weapon, YOU are the one that is in possession of it. No problem.

larry_minn
September 29, 2007, 03:17 PM
He can be in possession of the weapon. It is YOUR weapon, YOU are the one that is in possession of it. No problem.

I feel that is a typo. IMO it should read. "He can NOT be in possession of the weapon. It is YOUR weapon, YOU are the one that is in possession of it. No problem."
By this I mean he can NOT touch it/a rd of ammo. It can NEVER be where he can handle it/be considered in "control" of it for a second.
I.E. if in car on your person he can be in car (heck he can drive) BUT if you stick it in glove compartment and you get out of car and he still is in car/ even has keys to unlock car he is in violation.

Pilgrim
September 29, 2007, 11:24 PM
How does your in-law relative feel about you carrying a firearm in his house? It's his neck in the noose.

Pilgrim

snewbie
September 30, 2007, 02:25 PM
I wont be carrying one in his house because I dont have an oregon permit. I havent asked about the rest of his property though.

jaholder1971
September 30, 2007, 02:53 PM
I would avoid hanging out with felons, period. Family or not doesn't matter.

I have 2 nephews that are convicted sex offenders, one has also attempted to kill his adopted father through poisoning and the other also shot his cousin in the throat. My wife decided that she was going to have one of them over to our house for a visit. She was told if he so much as steps foot on our property I would call the police to remove him and if she didn't like it she could leave as well.

She was pissed for a couple days, but she stayed and the thug she calls a nephew didn't.

snewbie
September 30, 2007, 03:03 PM
I understand. I know of another felon who committed armed robbery (a real felony also), but I still would rather share a foxhole with him than many non-felons I know. He does not know I own firearms, and I intend to keep it that way.

As far as the felon in question here, I have less trust, but he is family, my nephew's father. Family very much matters to me. I will not in any way, shape or form violate the law(the ones which violate the 2nd amendment, but "laws" none-the-less) in regards to him, however. My oldest nephew already owns a hunting rifle, but lives in and keeps it in a seperate house.
They own a resort with cabins which is used as a base for both deer and elk hunting season, so firearms do come and go on property, just not in his(felon's) house or car.
I will strictly follow the same rules.

I cant wait to see my nephews and sis again. It has been a while.

Gray Peterson
September 30, 2007, 09:46 PM
Hey Snewbie,

Two things.

First, assuming you're not in one of the prohibited cities, you can open carry a handgun in a holster.

Second, you live in Kent, Washington? Would you like some directions on where and how to get an Oregon CHL? Send me a PM.

Autolycus
September 30, 2007, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Jaholder1971: I would avoid hanging out with felons, period. Family or not doesn't matter.

I have 2 nephews that are convicted sex offenders, one has also attempted to kill his adopted father through poisoning and the other also shot his cousin in the throat. My wife decided that she was going to have one of them over to our house for a visit. She was told if he so much as steps foot on our property I would call the police to remove him and if she didn't like it she could leave as well.

She was pissed for a couple days, but she stayed and the thug she calls a nephew didn't.

Not everyone who is a felon deserves to be one. And not all felons deserve to lose their 2nd Amendment rights. If they are that dangerous shouldn't they be in prison?

Robert Hairless
October 1, 2007, 12:46 AM
snewbie, I suggest that you have a talk with the person before you start that visit. Ask him to tell you how to avoid getting him in trouble. He's the one who should know.

Deanimator
October 1, 2007, 09:53 AM
I have 2 nephews that are convicted sex offenders, one has also attempted to kill his adopted father through poisoning and the other also shot his cousin in the throat. My wife decided that she was going to have one of them over to our house for a visit. She was told if he so much as steps foot on our property I would call the police to remove him and if she didn't like it she could leave as well.

My late uncle rediscovered a daughter he hadn't seen in years. He started bringing her and her kids, nieces and nephews to Christmas dinner. I think all of the older boys had had some kind of brush with the law, mostly drugs.

It was strange, my religious fundamentalist cousin and I being the only people at Christmas dinner under the age of 60 who DIDN'T have a parole officer...

thorn726
October 1, 2007, 02:16 PM
snewbie, I suggest that you have a talk with the person before you start that visit. Ask him to tell you how to avoid getting him in trouble. He's the one who should know.

doubtful. so much misinformation out there, that leaves you completely unprotected legally.
the law is very clear, felon can not be in control of the weapon.
know two of you in a room, the gun on a table- who is in control of it?
bothof you.
if it is on you, it's under your control./ if it is locked and only you have the combo/key, yours.

if it is unlocked in a drawer both of you can get to, you may get to fight it out in court
(a worst case scenario)
i would add that scenario would be his problem not yours, as long as you don't hand it to him, it's not getting you in trouble, but say you put it out on the table, it would be his responsibility to leave, and you are possibly violating the law as well.

Robert Hairless
October 1, 2007, 02:19 PM
You could be right, Thorn. Maybe it wouldn't pay for him to ask the person how to avoid doing something that might get him in trouble.

cavman
October 1, 2007, 02:28 PM
I picked up a couple of hitchhikers in Charlestown, WV. He and his girl friend do a bit of travel, but being poor folk, hitch and other ways. One of those other ways is to jump a train.

He said that that is now a Federal crime and if convicted you become a Felon.

I don't know if that is true or not. (I really, really hope not)

However, if someone did get a Ridiculously Serious Conviction over nothing (in my opinion) I would have no trouble being around them.

thorn726
October 1, 2007, 02:32 PM
you wouldn't want to believe some of the garbage i've heard from fools.
WORST case, dude is a real criminal and makes things worse
best case he's been misinformed, uninformed, etc.

consider a very common attitude of LE is "criminals should not be let out of jail"
would LE go out of their way to give offender information that would keep him out of jail??? i guess a probation officer would inform probationer, but

i wouldn't put it past jail staff to tell felon "sure you can still have a rifle, just no pistols " or something and bang , back they go

thorn726
October 1, 2007, 02:38 PM
I picked up a couple of hitchhikers in Charlestown, WV. He and his girl friend do a bit of travel, but being poor folk, hitch and other ways. One of those other ways is to jump a train.

He said that that is now a Federal crime and if convicted you become a Felon.

been a federal crime for a long time, just the bulls used to be easier on people.
now they(train security) are called bulls, and they are mean, will beat you if thy feel like it.

i wouldn't be surprised if they upped it or it always was a felony for two reasons-
9/11 nonsense

violence among other train riders, and the nature of jumping trains/ drifting
make it easy for anti-gun mentality to see where a train hopper is a "dangerous drifter" who should have his rights restricted.

from what i understand of riding freights, jumping into an empty car that contained a gun wielding hobo- would be very bad. very bad.
one guy told me he saw someone crawling into his car one night.
so he hit him in the face with an axe handle./
just the way it works

romma
October 1, 2007, 02:57 PM
I would avoid hanging out with felons, period. Family or not doesn't matter.



Hmm, some of my best friends are Felons! In fact, I commited many felonies before I turned my life around...

I just didn't get caught, or convicted of those felonies! ;)

Have you seen the list of crimes that can make you a Felon these days?

jaholder1971
October 4, 2007, 12:06 AM
Quote:
I picked up a couple of hitchhikers in Charlestown, WV. He and his girl friend do a bit of travel, but being poor folk, hitch and other ways. One of those other ways is to jump a train.

He said that that is now a Federal crime and if convicted you become a Felon.
been a federal crime for a long time, just the bulls used to be easier on people.
now they(train security) are called bulls, and they are mean, will beat you if thy feel like it.

i wouldn't be surprised if they upped it or it always was a felony for two reasons-
9/11 nonsense

violence among other train riders, and the nature of jumping trains/ drifting
make it easy for anti-gun mentality to see where a train hopper is a "dangerous drifter" who should have his rights restricted.

from what i understand of riding freights, jumping into an empty car that contained a gun wielding hobo- would be very bad. very bad.
one guy told me he saw someone crawling into his car one night.
so he hit him in the face with an axe handle./
just the way it works

I work for a major railroad. 3rd Generation railroader in fact.

If you really think the railroad cops today are more brutal than in the past you are badly mistaken. The railroad police are far more professional today than at any other point in railroad history. I'm not a cinder-dick but seen enough of them to know that of all the things I'd call them "mean" isn't one of them.

At the same time, those who are freight train riders are no longer the Boxcar Willie hoboes of the past. Some of the most violent individuals ride the rails preying on kids and illegal aliens, using and selling drugs and usually staying one step from the law the whole time.

By and large the worst a train rider will get is a criminal trespass ticket, unless he's damaging railroad equipment, stripping signals for copper wire, etc. The only Federal Offense I is causing a delay of trains or deliberately causing a derailment.

SkunkApe
October 4, 2007, 12:47 AM
Hmm, some of my best friends are Felons! In fact, I commited many felonies before I turned my life around...

I just didn't get caught, or convicted of those felonies!

Have you seen the list of crimes that can make you a Felon these days?

No kidding. I have this idea, that I often discuss with a friend, that it would be interesting to see how many felonies I could commit in one day without actually harming anyone.

We both agree on the answer: a lot.

230RN
October 4, 2007, 01:51 AM
Romma spake:

Have you seen the list of crimes that can make you a Felon these days?

Soon, everything will either be a felony or compulsory.

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