Brass Scroungers: Part Deux! Spoiled my Range Session.


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Mad Magyar
September 29, 2007, 04:11 PM
Some months ago I posted a thread indicating my displeasure of lurking brass scroungers. I was criticized for my antics (stomping the brass)(not cleaning up) etc, and I took it....This morning, it's more than I could bare...
I drive up to an empty bern, there are 8---5 were not occupied, and notice a nice SUV with a guy standing near what appeared to be a 32 gallon drum.
OK, I have no problem with this guy; a brass scrounger like so many...
I park in my bern (2 spaces away), load up my two weapons: .45 Officer's & .32 Mauser HSc.. BTW, both shot very well....
As I was setting my targets, I notice in the corner of my eye this guy walks into my area and comes within 10 feet of me...
I picked up my .45, quick slide rack, placed the gun to my side and watched...Not sure if he was intent with some harm or what? The nerve of the bastard?
"Don't mind me, just scrounging for brass". I was dumb-founded and I didn't say anything...He then remarked how he liked my targets (BG's) and he just stood there...All the time, I am staring at him and not saying anything....I believe the S.O.B. thought I was going to start my shooting session while he watched...
He got the message, he walked out & around the bern....I finished my drills, picked up all my brass and threw it all in the nearby steel trash can. As I drove away, I can see him heading to my bern.
If he wants it; he can scrounge in the garbage can...:fire:
Did I do the right thing this time?:rolleyes:

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Lonestar49
September 29, 2007, 04:16 PM
...

Caution is the better side of Valor..


LS

armoredman
September 29, 2007, 04:17 PM
If you don't want your brass, politely tell the guy to come back after you're done. Some brass scroungers are there to reload, others to make a buck at the recyclers. Just be polite and firm, and you should be OK.
Sorry this upsets you so - have you thought about joining a private shooting club? Maybe you can find one that prohibits scrounging, because the range keeps it and resells/recycles it. That might make your shooting time more enjoyable.

BlkHawk73
September 29, 2007, 04:19 PM
I'd have simply told him it was going home with me. Luckily I have never seen any such folks at the club I belong to and shoot at.

R.W.Dale
September 29, 2007, 04:29 PM
The answer is rather simple.

Shoot more WOLF DUH!


The price of steel isn't that high......yet

usp9
September 29, 2007, 04:39 PM
If you're going to throw it away anyway, why not let him have it. Let the scrounger pick it up. I'd be happy to have someone clean up after me. I don't have much empathy for you..what foul was committed?

stevemis
September 29, 2007, 04:49 PM
I'd say the brass scrounger had some steel ones, or he is as dumb as a box of rocks. It takes a lot of nerve to sneak up on someone while they're wearing ear protection and are firing a gun.

Pick up your own brass. Bring an old bedsheet or a large tarp. One day you might decide to start reloading, and you'll already have a nice collection of once-fired brass.

EricTheBarbarian
September 29, 2007, 04:55 PM
why not scrounge your own brass and sell it rather than throw it away.

sandy4570
September 29, 2007, 05:03 PM
I usaully politely ask the shooter if he want to save the brass or not and offer to sweep them up once he done shooting ,I only pick 30-30 , .45 ACP and 9 mm Luger brass. The range that I shoot has a rule that once the brass was dump in the brass bucket it belong to the range so I would have to get them while they were still on the ground.
I would not be stand next to the guy and stare at him while he was shooting actually I probably shoot my own guns next lane and only sweep the brass up when the cease fire session announce by the range officer . :o

Owen
September 29, 2007, 05:17 PM
I don't understand your issue.

The guy wants to pick up after you, and you have a problem with that?

The scrounger was a little lame in not actually asking you for your brass, but knowing what he was looking for, and knowing that you were going to throw the brass away, why didn't you just offer it to him?

and why did you bold SUV?

gandog56
September 29, 2007, 05:55 PM
I see no harm in brass scroungers as long as they ask. It's the brass balled ones who just sweep up your brass without asking that bother me. That and I reload, so I save all mine. Why not give them a break if you're just going t trash yours?

KevininPa
September 29, 2007, 06:32 PM
I've scrounged brass.:o But only while at the range after shooting and never got in other shooters way. Also only scrounged the calibers I shoot. I leave the other calibers for the guys who shoot'em. I don't reload yet, but my buddy and I are almost set up to start. We don't make a lot of bucks so we've been gathering equipment and saving brass for awhile now. Almost there, expect to be reloading in about two months time:D. I can't wait because people have made me reloads and those rounds always shot better than anything I bought. It's also a private club so if someone is scrounging they're usually reloading.
I do think that the gentleman in question should have left you alone while you were shootin' and not have lurked about. That is enough to put a person on edge in this day and age. It's not like he was there shootin' and you ended up battin' the breeze. One thing I like about shootin' at the club is that I usually end up BSin' with someone and we usually end up tryin' out each others hardware. I've fired a lot of different guns this way. Suppers ready, later!


Kevin in Pa

koja48
September 29, 2007, 06:38 PM
. . . would be the point. I keep ALL of mine & when I go to the range, I don't do so to accommodate someone hunting brass. If I miss one or two, they are welcome to them . . . AFTER I'M DONE SHOOTING. I believe this used to be referred-to as "common courtesy," a characteristic too many folks seem to lack nowadays.

bl4ckd0g
September 29, 2007, 07:30 PM
Be careful- brass scrounging is a contageous, infectious neurlogical disease which spreads on contact.

I'm notorious for scouring the range for brass, though I wait until a particular range or lane is abandoned before I start my search. Otherwise, if I'm sharing a lane, and the other shooter is also scrounging, then we will split our booty and focus on what we're reloading.

Someone standing behind me with a big drum is not going to get a warm reception.

WSM MAGNUM
September 29, 2007, 07:42 PM
Seems to me you were acting stranger than the brass scrounger. What`s the big deal if he wanted to watch you shoot? :confused:

lamazza
September 29, 2007, 08:53 PM
What`s the big deal if he wanted to watch you shoot?
And why the attitude-throwing the brass in the garbage when you knew he wanted it?
Some people actually need the money from the brass they cash in. I know a few older guys that wouldn't even be able to afford ammo if they didn't supplement their income with scrounged brass.

FieroCDSP
September 29, 2007, 11:59 PM
The scrounger was rude, IMO. That's kinda like divying up a dying relative's property while standing in their hospital room, isn't it?

The polite scrounger asks if you reload or otherwise keep your brass, during a cease-fire, and then asks if you mind if they take it when you're done. Nine out of ten will even pile it up some to make the scrounging easier. Just be polite.

As for a reaction to deal with an impolite scrounger: Pick up all your own brass and take it with you. Box it up and leave it for the next trip at the range. I know that sounds counter productive, but trashing it is not a huge inconvenience to a truely-infected brass scrounger. Scroungers get off on finding ANY brass, be it covered in dirt or week-old spaghetti. Taking it with you is less brass, and that makes a scrounger less happy.

kartoffel
September 30, 2007, 12:36 AM
I tried to do a good deed the other day by putting up some coffee cans at the local public range. Just nailed 'em to the roof support uprights on the firing line and proceeded to dump my unwanted brass in them. I even swept up a bit and threw some 22LR in a few cans just to prime the pump.

We'll see it it catches on. As things currently stand, the gravel parking area might as well be paved with 7.62x39 and 22LR. :)

chipperi
September 30, 2007, 06:20 AM
There is an old guy who scrounges at my local range. He usually makes a point to ask If I mind. My usual response is "leave the 45acp (or whatever I am low on ) because I reload it, and he's cool with it most of the time I try to get it all in some kind of a pile for him. But he's an elderly guy usually wearing a tattered old Korean Veteran hat. So on occasion I take what I have way to much of for him.

woad_yurt
September 30, 2007, 09:11 AM
I don't like strangers hovering around me either, whether I'm at a range or anywhere else. It started when I was a little kid. Mrs. McCormack used to look over my shoulder when I was taking a test. She'd use a pencil to scratch her laquered, beehived head, freeing up cornflake-sized dandruff so it would flutter down and it made me very uncomfortable. I used to stop writing and ask her "May I help you?" GHODDD, she was gross. It was a rough year.

The Bushmaster
September 30, 2007, 09:46 AM
WOW!!! Did I ever score yesterday.:) Went to a State Concealed Carry picnic. Lots of once fired cases all over the place. .38 Special, .357 magnum, .40 S&W .45 ACP and 9mmX19. I must have picked up 25 lbs of brass to bring home to reload..:)..Yes...That's right...I'm a confessed "Brass Rat"..:o..A polite one though. I asked and I waited [impatiantly;)] for them to let me in to pick up the brass...I really think that you were just as rude as the "Brass Rat" at your range...Mad Magyar...Once fired brass, depending on the calibre and whether it is pistol or rifle, costs anywhere from .05 cents to .20 cents for standard cases. The exotic calibres go even higher. I have no idea what it's worth to a scrapper, but I've been told that it's around $1.50 a pound...If it seemed like he was standing over you like a buzzard waiting for you to die. Not so...He was waiting for the cases to cool so he could pick them up without burning his fingers..:what:.. Or was he wearing gloves???:D

You should join him and start reloading yourself...:)

rhubarb
September 30, 2007, 10:45 AM
You, dear Sir, are a true Gentleman.

I have taken to dragging the trash barrels to the dumpster and emptying them. I don't always find brass, but what there is in the trash is clean and shiny. I wisht everybody would pick up their brass and put it in the trash can.

As to the scrounger standing near you, that was rude. I usually peek around the edge of berms with a bag in hand until my benefactors are at least in their cars before I swoop down on their still hot brass.

target1911
September 30, 2007, 12:31 PM
I say...."LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE".....I agree it was rude for him to hover and not ask you about your brass. But going outta your way to throw your brass in the trash to make his life harder was rude too. You could have sparked up a conversation just as easy as him. You knew why he was there when you pulled up. If you didnt want him near you, you could have nicely informed him that he was welcome to your brass when you are finished at the range.

I personlly like to BS with ppl at the range. I have been known to walk up to ppl and start the small talk. BUT, I dont interupt while they aiming or busy. You never know what kind of great connections you can make... meaning... You usually get your best deals through friends. maybe he owned a gun shop and could have givin you a smoking deal on that gun you have been wanting to buy. I havnt had to pay for a hunting lease in years. I get GREAT discounts when I send my truck to the shop. I get bargains on guns I buy at a particular pawn shop. I dont ask for free-bee's or the great deals and darn sure dont exspect them but makin friends has its benifits.

Take "THE HIGH ROAD" and
Just be polite and not vendictive

FLORIDA KEVIN
September 30, 2007, 01:22 PM
I guess it's a good thing he wasn't a lead scrounger !!

S&Wfan
September 30, 2007, 01:39 PM
I always try to be friendly with people at the range, and everywhere else for that matter.

If a stranger walks up at the range I'm going to go over to HIM. I'm gonna look him squarely in the eye and smile, and say confidently, "Good Morning!"

I find that most people are just as warm and friendly back to me too once I do this, and it breaks they typical tension felt by all when we first see others approach us at the range.

They are relieved that I'm not one of those paranoid, squinty-eyed bastards who lurk at ranges to shoot and who are always looking over their shoulder in "Condition Red" thinking they need to be ready to fight. Their responses of relief let me know they feel the same relief about me.

They also understand I'm not at all afraid of them and that I'm confident in myself . . . always a good thing to do.

I believe the original poster's action radiated both paranoia, distrust and disgust towards the old geezer collecting brass.

Lighten up dude! The range is a place to have fun and fellowship with others who share your love for this wonderful sport.

Let's make shooting sports more friendly and approachable for new shooters to come and fall in love with shooting sports . . . not make 'em feel we are a bunch of jack-booted isolationist charecters with a bad attitude and a hair-trigger anger and distrust of everyone.

Those kind of actions run folks off from our sport . . . and you end up with only paranoid, jack-booted isolationists at your range. Not good.

So, IMHO you need to lighten up and try being friendly with strangers at the club you are in. I'd rather have friends watching my "six" that some guy who thinks I'm unfriendly, aggressive and weird. I absolutely hate it when people start acting strange, paranoid and ugly around me at the range. It ruins my plans to have an enjoyable day shooting, for I'm gonna leave before the dude maybe goes "postal."

Since you asked . . .

T.

PS: Here's the solution to your brass problem. Get a 25-2 or a 625 in .45ACP and load ammo in moonclips . . . and through away your bottom feeders that cause you to get so upset due to them puking brass all over the range. Clean up is easier too!;)

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/277718/2220845IMG2474-2.jpg

The Bushmaster
September 30, 2007, 03:30 PM
S&Wfan...Nice piece...Can I have the brass???:D

Mad Magyar
September 30, 2007, 06:21 PM
The guy wants to pick up after you, and you have a problem with that?


Yes, WAIT outside my bern area until I'm done...If he wants to watch me or anybody else there are competive shootings at convenient times where he can observe & bend-over & pick to Kingdom come....

Lighten up dude! The range is a place to have fun and fellowship with others

If you could of seen the smirk on his face...BTW, I was in Cond. Yellow, not RED...Maybe, I should have invited him later for some coffee, or a beer, huh!:banghead:
I'd say the brass scrounger had some steel ones, or he is as dumb as a box of rocks. It takes a lot of nerve to sneak up on someone while they're wearing ear protection and are firing a gun.

Amen, brother.....I kept watching his hands, both were out...If he would of stuck one of his hands in his pocket!!!!:cuss::banghead::fire::evil:

Brian Williams
September 30, 2007, 07:11 PM
If there has been some kind of attacks at your range you did just fine, but I think you were over the top, next time don't waste your time picking up your brass, or if you do just leave it for those who do scrounge.
Next time you go and you see him lurking, approach him before you shoot and strike up a conversation and get him involved in shooting either the breeze or a mild competition with you. If he is not interested in either ask him to wait til your done and then he can have at it for your brass, then just smile and wave as you leave.
Make a friend, don't create an enemy.
Shooting is supposed to be fun even while you train.

Average Joe
September 30, 2007, 07:49 PM
If they want the brass, they can have it, saves me the trouble of picking it up.

target1911
September 30, 2007, 09:51 PM
.....I kept watching his hands, both were out...If he would of stuck one of his hands in his pocket!!!!

WOW....Talking about being paranoid.......Not everyone out there is out to get ya.

Make a friend, don't create an enemy.
VERY well said

YardVarmint
September 30, 2007, 10:46 PM
At the public range I go to there is a "Brass Bucket". We are also supposed to clean up after ourselves.

I also reload and I do scrounge brass, in the bucket. Then it's obvious no one wants it back.

One time I had some Knot Head come to the Range and start catching my brass as it was ejected out of my pistol.
I stopped cleard my gun turned and asked him politely what he thought he was doing. I explained to him that I reload and normaly pick up my own brass. I did not ask for what he had back though. I did inform him it would be a bit more polite to ask people first.

Sorry guys but I don't have a super big income and to me I see it as being rude and cheap###ed to pull stuff like that on other shooters.

S&Wfan
September 30, 2007, 11:17 PM
Bushmaster wrote: S&Wfan...Nice piece...Can I have the brass???:D

Man . . . you don't want my brass! I've got a few thousand rounds of brass now that have been reloaded so many times that the new primers don't want to stick in place!!!

I'm trying not to use that stuff anymore . . . not even for powder-puff practice loads.

Heck, I wouldn't want anyone to reload that brass . . . they might load 'em hot and use 'em in a pistol with an unsupported chamber! Ouch!

I've gotta drive by Villa Rica (GA) this week and I may just stop and Georgia Arms and pick up some new brazzzz.:D

Shoot straight . . . and have a great week!

Tom

T.

DiN_BLiX
September 30, 2007, 11:28 PM
I like to goto the range on a week day when noone else is there, open season.

evan price
October 1, 2007, 02:18 AM
I'm a Brass Badger.

When I shoot, when I am done, I gather up my brass.
I like to wait for cease fires so I am not distracting anyone.
If you have brass on the ground I will ask before I pick it up. I every now and then hear someone say back, Save me the starline .45's or something. Usually, what most people say is, thanks, now I don't have to clean it up. Do you want this revolver brass I've been dropping in my bag to throw out?
What can I say but THANKS!

So you are complaining because some guy was willing to spend time cleaning up what you weren't going to save anyway. And then, you basically said if he had his hand in his pocket you would have shot him.

Very high road. :scrutiny:

And people wonder why I always have a locked & loaded CCW pistol on me at the range.

At least you went to the trouble to gather it up and put it in the trash can for him. It makes it easier to get it that way. I love digging out boxes of shiny brass from the trash. Best is the revolver folks that put the empties carefully back in the trays and in the boxes and drop it in the trash. Found 200 .38spl+p's that way last week.

Powderman
October 1, 2007, 04:44 AM
Folks, for all of you that say that Mad Magyar was paranoid, please remember this:

Platt and Matix--the bad guys in the infamous FBI shootout in Florida--amassed their arsenal by finding people who were shooting out in the wilds, killing them, and taking their guns and ammunition.

I go with a friend out to some varied public areas, and we shoot long range rifle. We don't shoot at the same time. One of us is always (a) spotting for the other, and (b) keeping an eye out. We try to put up enough targets to keep from going back and forth, but if targets have to be serviced, one stays at the firing line. The other heads out, and both of us have loaded rifles slung.

Why? The main reason is that on a typical range session, we will both have about 2 to 400 rounds of ammo, and at least 7-10K worth of guns, laying out in the open. It can be tempting to some folks.

frank23185
October 1, 2007, 11:06 AM
seek help for your antisocial tendencies...:scrutiny:

The Bushmaster
October 1, 2007, 11:26 AM
Do not return to a public range until you overcome your paranoid delusions and anti-social behavior...Before you shoot some inocent "Brass Rat"...

pinstripe
October 1, 2007, 12:25 PM
Man. you ain't right. All he wanted was what you were throwing away. People like you..... I'll just stop right there and let you finish the rest.:(

Hoppy590
October 1, 2007, 01:29 PM
If there has been some kind of attacks at your range you did just fine

there hasnt been any kind of attacks in my town so i have no need to carry right? or keep my guard down?

thats definatly contrary to "situational awareness" and preparing for the worse THR seems to preach

Do not return to a public range until you overcome your paranoid delusions and anti-social behavior...Before you shoot some inocent "Brass Rat"...
so being cautios of some one who may be making an attempt to grab your gun, regardles of what they claim they are doing is being paranoid?

so next time im home and some one knocks on the door at night saying how thier car broke down and they need to use my phone i should just let them into my house, drop my gaurd cause hey, they SAID they only needed to use the phone.

as for throwing away the brass. some people operate on principle. to me that principle is, you leave me alone whil i shoot. and you can get what ever brass you want. you interupt my shooting. you get nothing!

luckily we dont have brass rats at my range that i know of. matter of fact, we dont even have gravel..your just walking on a bed of old brass :p

Mad Magyar
October 1, 2007, 01:46 PM
seek help for your antisocial tendencies...

Let's see, I know of one assault at a public firing range in our area within the past 6 months. More home-invasions then I can count....I bet some of you when you have a knock at your door in the evening; simply open the door and say "How can I help you?":rolleyes:
Some of you are extremely naive about who & what is out there! There are some nasty people, more disturbed then you think I am...:)
Actually, I am the nicest guy you would ever want to meet....However, if I want conversation with a stranger, I prefer a church and not out at a range. Why did I mention the SUV? This guy was far younger than I with his hair back in some Miami Vice ponytail dressed fairly nice...Not typical of the scroungers I've seen in the past....Stay in WHITE all you want; I'm in a constant state of readiness which isn't any more stressful than being oblivious to my surroundings. My mistake was not telling him "to beat it", in a nice way....
Hoppy590, I just finished and noticed you were on the same wave-lenghth..:)

hso
October 1, 2007, 03:39 PM
If the guy was going down range and putting you at risk of shooting him or interfering with your shooting in some other way you'd have every reason to be upset over it. Just scrounging brass out of the line of fire? Nawww. I don't think anger is the appropriate response to what you've described the guy doing. Annoyance, sure. But the level of anger you're expressing sure seems like an awful lot.

Just tell the guy you come to the range for some time to yourself and would appreciate it if he'd give you the space you came for. I've had other shooters wander up and watch over my shoulder. If they're just there standing there for more than a few moments it can be distracting, but usually they walk off to do their shooting.

I kept watching his hands, both were out...If he would of stuck one of his hands in his pocket!!!! Is a bit out of place also. Being angry with the guy isn't a reason for the "I'd have blown him away if he made the wrong move" bluster.

The Bushmaster
October 1, 2007, 04:33 PM
Being alert and aware of your surroundings and being paranoid and anti-social are two different things. Ya need to calm down and enjoy this world...It's the only one you'll have...

I used to take my "old" Colt SAA to the public range until I literally had to stand guard on it because people just couldn't keep their hands off it (old west romantics). But I never got balligerent and anti social about it...Solved the problem. I only use it on my private range at home...

Now...You need to solve the problem...Ease up...Will save you the cost of medication down the road...

By The Way...I carry concealed and that DOES tend to make you a kinder and gentler (polite) person...

PointOneSeven
October 1, 2007, 04:55 PM
Brass vultures = :cuss:.



Bad manners!

WSM MAGNUM
October 1, 2007, 08:37 PM
Amen, brother.....I kept watching his hands, both were out...If he would of stuck one of his hands in his pocket!!!!


:scrutiny: Imagine where you would be if you shot him just because if he did put his hands in his pocket. A prosecutor would have a field day with you over the fact that some guy just wanted some brass and he was suspicious to you. :(

Hoppy590
October 1, 2007, 11:01 PM
the fact that some guy just wanted some brass and he was suspicious to you.

its not that he wanted brass. its that hes lurking around a gun range and approaching you while your firing. that stinks of gun grab to me. and it doesnt take much for him to pull out a knife or a pocket pistol and take your gun.

if he had shown up with a range bag, and something to shoot i wouldnt give him a second thought. but hes out of place on a range, lurking about. much like police look for the childless 40 year old guy at a school park, or the person wearing a winter jacket in the heat of the summer.

maybe the 40 year old was there to meet single moms. maybe the person wearing the jacket is making a fashion statement. but when things are out of place, they warrent a second look.

i dont think id be so jumpy as to say i woulda shot him if he reached in his pocket, but i definatly wouldnt have turned my back on him.

also its just rude to watch over some ones shoulder

goon
October 1, 2007, 11:42 PM
Some of you guys aren't reading the other posts before you reply.
Remember Platt and Matix and the 1986 shootout in Miami before you judge someone harshly for being alarmed in a situation like this.

Trying to sneak up on me anywhere is potentially a bad idea.
Trying to sneak up on me in a secluded area (like a range or an area where people shoot in the wilderness) would get my attention too. I do usually carry at the range and if I don't I am either with someone who is or I take my weapon with me when I go to change targets, or both. I am also never unarmed at the range and I always save a minimum of a mag for the way home "just in case".
Better safe than sorry.
I agree that the guy was just being an idiot, but still...

And BTW - it is rude to just grab someone else's brass without asking if they want it first or just waiting until they leave and it is also rude to just invade their space. It would be one thing if they guy was another shooter at the range who came over to talk guns but he was obviously not doing that.

evan price
October 2, 2007, 05:45 AM
So let's see: To make it worse, now the guy is driving a nice vehicle, younger than you, and dressed better than the average shooter. SO that automatically makes him somehow a bad dude out to grab your gun and murder you, or maybe take your brass w/out permission.

Condition white, not hardly, but if one tries to walk around in ORANGE one's whole life one'll pop an artery.

I am well aware of Platt & Mattix and how they got their guns and cars.
There are degrees of paranoia we all live with and accept.

The guy wanted your brass.
You didn't want your brass.

It is interesting to note that many rats, when finished eating, will defecate on the remaining unwanted food to prevent another rat from having it.

Noxx
October 2, 2007, 08:54 AM
I guess I gotta weigh in here.

The deal with the brass is irrelevant imho, it was probably a waste of your time to try to make getting it for the guy more difficult after the fact, but that's not what I wanted to talk about.

When I'm out in the boons, doing what I'm doing, it's one thing if another person approaches you directly and begins a conversation with a clear purpose. Someone just lurking about without initiating any sort of contact, is in a word, creepy.

Creepy things move me up a notch, I don't know that I would have been getting ready to shoot the guy, but I would be making a plan to do it in the back of my mind. Fact is, none of us were there, sometimes you just get a gut feeling that somethings not right about someone, and it's usually best to pay attention to that.

Regardless of the "if" statements involved, the OP didn't draw on the guy or otherwise menace him, I don't see any reason to hang em high, as it were.

md2lgyk
October 2, 2007, 12:18 PM
I never, ever shoot at public ranges. This thread highlights one reason why.

The Bushmaster
October 2, 2007, 01:09 PM
Nothing wrong with outdoors public ranges...99.9% of the people are there to have a good time and do...You always have one that seems to think he is "god"...Or just plain stupid...

Navy joe
October 2, 2007, 02:09 PM
I am a confirmed brass rat, but a polite one. This whole thing sounds over the top, but in defense of MM, it is a public range and you just don't know the folks. I have had someone commit suicide in my favorite lane of a military only indoor range, I have been party to numerous acts of unsafe gun handling and poor behavior on more public ranges. I am usually very discreet and polite about it, but the chances of all my guns being empty at once is nil. At the isolated conservation or national forest ranges I am more ready, criminals have gone gun shopping at these before. That's why you may see me shooting a BP revo with an loaded AR-15 laying there next to me. Because you never know.

Hoppy590
October 2, 2007, 02:43 PM
It is interesting to note that many rats, when finished eating, will defecate on the remaining unwanted food to prevent another rat from having it.

thats flawd logic. as the shells are the spent portion of "food" (ammunition) so if anything the brass "rat" is actualy collecting the defications of the shooter, hence making him a "dung beetle" and not a "rat"

i love how the reloaders are taking it personal.
if i tell some one not to cut up a mosin, you get hundreds of responses that its his rifle and he can do what he wants.
but if i say id rather throw away my brass than give it to someone i dont know or some one who annoys me, im all the sudden a greedy selfish POS.

well its his brass. and if this guy was annoying/ disrespectful , intentional or not, then thats motivation to deny him the brass.

raginrednek
October 2, 2007, 07:01 PM
i go to shoot, and sometimes collect my brass, but don't reload yet. i don't want to be bothered.

ironvic
October 2, 2007, 09:06 PM
Our range has a "Pick up your own brass" policy. It's looked at as trash to be politely cleaned up. I reload (.38, .357, .45 ACP and 9mm) so I always pick up and re-box all my brass. BUT, when the police, sheriffs, USCG or other Homeland Security types have used the range, I make sure to pick up all their .40 S&W brass because I'm sure, one day, I will reload that as well and I know its primo commercial "once fired" stuff in. They also leave a lot of shiny 9mm brass in the sand-it goes home with me.

I do not pick up any calibers that I don't need (30-30, .223 etc) as I figure that others may have a need for them. That said, if the range requires shooters to pick up their brass "trash" and many shooters just leave the stuff lying at the shooting benches and in the sand, what does that say about shooters as a whole? Are we slobs or just leaving recyclables for the next guy to use?

BTW, that guy with no sense of personal space wanting the shooter's brass? I'd ask him to come back after I leave. If he still didn't have a clue, out comes the .357 2 1/2" snubbie. People usually don't hang around long when that thing's in use-sometimes I think its bark is worse than its bite.

Ironvic

FLORIDA KEVIN
October 2, 2007, 09:47 PM
I have to admit that if someone did this to me I would probably be a little ticked off ! but I think you can be prepared and alert to conditions without being overly aggresive ! the ranges I shoot at are usually well staffed and lots of police around , sometimes i wish i could just go out in the boonies and shoot and If I were alone at a remote gun range I would in fact be suspicous of strangers ! so perhaps I have judged too harshly ! sorry ! someone made a comment about the FBI shootout in Miami that hit a little close to home !I spend a lot of time out along side canals fishing out in the glades and western Broward and Dade counties ! You could disappear out there real easy !:eek:

evan price
October 3, 2007, 12:57 AM
re: cutting up a mosin VS brass rats:

I agree, do whatever you want with YOUR stuff to suit you. If you want to put your brass in the trash, please do, wish more did. The thousands of steel-case garbage littering every outdoor range I frequent would be helped tremendously.

However, if you don't want it anyway, making it harder for someone else to take what you don't want out of spite seems petty.

Funny story: Once upon a time I was out visiting friends and saw a neighbor up the block hauling a lot of home bathroom remodelling garbage out to the curb, a bathtub, toilet, vanity, etc and two large plate glass mirrors, about 3' x 4' in nice shape, he set into the bathtub and went back for more junk.
I waited for the guy to come back and asked him if he was throwing all of that stuff out (to confirm it was trash and not sitting there waiting for a buddy to pick up or something). The guy said yeah.

I asked him if it was allright for me to take the mirrors. The guy said, "Give me $20 for them and they're yours."

I asked him why, he was throwing them out, I would just wait until later that night and get them then.

He picked up the toilet tank and threw it into the bathtub, smashing the mirrors and the porcelain tank into bits, which scattered all over his yard.
"They're free now," he said.

I laughed, and when he asked why, I said, "Because now you get to pick up all the broken glass in your yard."

nerfsrule2
October 3, 2007, 01:28 AM
My encounters with brass scroungers have not been positive; and I am being kind. There is the lady who comes right up to you and picks up brass @ your feet. It is still warm!!! Then there is a guy that will walk out in front of the pistol bench to pick up brass while you are firing. Time to call the Warden!!!

woodybrighton
October 3, 2007, 08:25 AM
I hated picking up brass
I was bitterly disappointed when I visited my brother in Florida and had to pick the "brass" up after an sks shooting session :(

harmonic
October 4, 2007, 11:46 AM
I can see the OP's point. The behavior he describes is tantamount to eating in a restaurant and somebody staring at you. It's not illegal but it sure is rude.

But if it's a public range, what can you do? The OP suggests he contemplated shooting the person? Wow. If we're degenerating to that level of paranoia then we should all take up tennis.

On the other hand, some of the comments are criticizing the OP for basically being impolite, yet the comments themselves are impolite. What irony.

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