How do you break the stereotype of gun owners?


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jlbraun
September 30, 2007, 08:36 PM
I'll start. As my sig says, I'm a Buddhist, a sometime Democrat, in favor of gay marriage and universal preventative healthcare, and have a Master's in electrical engineering and a BS in Western Philosophy.

So, how are you different from the stereotyped image the media and antis have of gun owners? That is, white, uneducated, poor, slob with a Confederate flag in his pickup truck plastered with NASCAR stickers and a bed full of empty beer cans.

(Waits for the first "I'm gay".)

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JoeHatley
September 30, 2007, 08:48 PM
how are you different from the stereotyped image the media and antis have of gun owners?

What do you think the stereotype is?

Joe

HardKnox
September 30, 2007, 08:59 PM
We all know the stereotype is an inbred, sister loving, illiterate, drinking whiskey from a "xxx" jug, ugly, wife beating southerner named cleatus, who drives a pickup

I differ from that stereotype b/c I can read and write, and Iím not inbred and I donít beat my wife and I donít drink whiskey from jugs, Iím from NY and my name is Leo

Furthering the chasm between that stereotype and me is a pending bachelors degree (maybe further), and the fact that I donít watch NASCAR :neener:

Nil
September 30, 2007, 09:03 PM
I'm a young minority with liberal political views and I live in an urban area in a northern state. I'm also college educated and will be going to graduate school next fall. I'm in shape and I rarely drink. I'm an avid reader, in fact, I've spent more money on books than anything else (yes, even guns). I've also never hunted before.

I actually can't see a single aspect of myself that fits the stereotype.

Vitamin G
September 30, 2007, 09:05 PM
I have a BA in psychology, criminal justice, and archeology.
I have a Master's in counseling. I supervise therapists for my 40/hr.
I work part time as a contract therapist for foster kids on the weekends.
I like cats, not dogs.
I dont hunt.
I'm a huge sci-fi nerd, owning all seasons of star trek TNG, ds9, and babylon 5.
I own Starship Troopers, in book and DVD form.
I'm embarrassed to own Starship Troopers 2, but i end up watching it once a year to remind myself how bad it is.
I like to read for fun.
Probably a good 75% of my friends are extremely similar to me.

Whats the sterotype?

cambeul41
September 30, 2007, 09:09 PM
BA in Political Science with a minor in Bioogical Science; MA in Speech with a minor in philosophy; PhD course work in linguistics completed with minors in education and anthropology.

Non-religious, leaning toward Buddhist philosopy. Politically independent, leaning libertarian conservative.

Outlaws
September 30, 2007, 09:11 PM
The question is why do you feel that is the stereotype?

My idea of a stereotypical gun owner is someone who owns one or two guns (a hunting rifle and/or shotgun, and maybe a pistol), probably white, and spans across all financial backgrounds. They might not like "evil" guns, in fact they don't really like guns at all, but they don't hate them. They just own one or two.

I will just say I fall into the gun nut category. Whatever your stereotype is does not bother me. I may or may not be that, but just remember, some of us might even support a one or more of your views.

Crunker1337
September 30, 2007, 09:16 PM
I'm of Indian decent.
I have many liberal views on politics.
I believe that homosexuals have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness same as other Americans.
I believe in universal health-care.
I don't drink.
I was raised to be Hindu, but now I can say that I pretty much don't follow any religions (though I am theistic).
I believe in conservation.
I believe that global climate change exists.
I don't watch NASCAR, NFL, NHL, or any other sport.
I don't want a pick-up truck or SUV.
I don't believe in trophy hunting.
I believe in foreign aid in almost all cases.
I don't support the Bush Administration 100%.
I don't watch Fox News obsessively.
I often do not dress conservatively.
I like cats.
I don't believe in domestic violence.
I don't believe Americans that are of Arab decent or that practice Islam should be treated differently than other Americans.
I don't believe in profiling based entirely on race.
I think there is some truth to some 9/11 conspiracy theories.
My parents are rather liberal.
My family is upper-middle class.
I watch anime.
I'm a big Star Wars fan.
I'm very literate.
I'm an honors student.
I read for fun when I have time.
I'm a big computer nerd.
My friends are Asian, South American, white and black.
I believe in some degree of amnesty to illegal aliens already in this country.
I'm against a large military precense in Iraq at this point in the game.
I'm against carpet-bombing or other means of warfare designed to target civilians.
I'm against American involvement where it is not wanted by the majority of the population.
I am not inherently opposed to some manifestation of communism by a trustworthy government.

Millwright
September 30, 2007, 09:23 PM
Like most of the propaganda of the Left, their hoplophobic is based upon iconic stereotypes - usually from populal entertainment - intended to elecit an emotional, rather than logical response in the target audience.

Hence, they label someone owning/shooting, say, machine guns as the stereotype when that individual probably spends more on ammunition for his hobby than they do on vacation. And, according to most demographics, the 'gun nuts' give far more to charity, send more packages to our troops and support more activities and participate more in local government than their hoplophobic liberal peers.

IOW, the hoplophobes can't tell the truth because they can't afford to invite that sort of comparison. Can you imagine what the reaction of the general public would be if the MSM ran a one hour special showing civic leaders, businesspersons, military, youth, and women all interacting and competing amicably together ? >MW

single action
September 30, 2007, 09:37 PM
I might fit the stereotype somewhat, I am definately ugly, I wear overalls, I hunt, in fact at least 50% of the meat in my household we either hunt or raise ourselves. However, I dont think I'm illiterate (opinions vary) I'm fairly sure mom and dad werent related, I'm not in love with my sister, (I come from a very ugly family) And whiskey makes me puke. I am not a nascar fan,(watching cars go in a circle for 3 1/2 hours is only slightly less boring than watching paint dry) I dont beat my wife, (she can take me 3 out of 4 falls) and my name isnt cletus. (its bubba! )

Mantua
September 30, 2007, 09:43 PM
I'm white, poor, semi-educated (HS diploma, no college). No rebel flags, and I scrapped the pick-up and got a Honda.

I believed in that stereotype until recently, by the way. Now I know that slightly less than half of gun owners are inbred Nascar fans, and very few of those are on this forum ;)

Joe Demko
September 30, 2007, 09:47 PM
Part of the propoganda is that gun control is a "leftist thing." Gun control is an authoritarian thing.

Prince Yamato
September 30, 2007, 09:48 PM
Let's see, I:

*Am getting my PhD in Classical Vocal Music (Opera and Lieder)
*Drive a compact car
*Wish I had a micro car (like a SMART)
*Love big-city living
*Don't Hunt
*Can't stand "huntin' rifles"
*Want a Pomeranian
*Am Catholic
*Like to read GQ as much as Guns and Ammo
*Have an EXTREME distaste for Mossy Oak and Fanny Packs (see above)
*Speak French fluently and can converse in Italian, German, and very basic Korean

...but I Love My AK-47s :D

I also think that the stereotype will largely die with the baby boomers. It's kind of hard to be a hick when there's internet and 1000+ television channels.

Nil
September 30, 2007, 09:58 PM
*Want a Pomeranian

I believe this should be added to the NCIS check to prevent clearly insane people like you from owning guns. :neener:

elrod
September 30, 2007, 10:02 PM
jlbraun

That is, white, uneducated, poor, slob with a Confederate flag in his pickup plastered with NASCAR stickers and a bed full of empty beer cans.


I do NOT have empty beer cans in my truck!!!!!! :mad:

jamz
September 30, 2007, 10:03 PM
I just show off my masters degree in social work from boston university. :p

Black Adder LXX
September 30, 2007, 10:07 PM
I don't do Nascar.
I have all my teeth.
My wife is not a sister or cousin.
I use multi-syllabic words in every day conversations.
I don't own a dog.
Most of Jeff Foxworthy jokes don't apply to me.
I am a white evangelical Christian with a truck, though...

joab
September 30, 2007, 10:11 PM
We all know the stereotype is an inbred, sister loving, illiterate, drinking whiskey from a "xxx" jug, ugly, wife beating southerner named cleatus, who drives a pickupI actually have never heard that stereotype applied to gun owners in general,
That usually is the stereotype I gear for hunters

Mostly I hear about gunowners being arrogant, self serving, anti government/cop, conspiracy theorists

Hunter0924
September 30, 2007, 10:12 PM
Well I reckon I am close as I do live in a log cabin, drive a pickup, I am white, love real country music, cold beer, and am a Native Southerner. I am by no means stupid as I have an unlimited plumbing and limited electrical licenses. I also do mechanical work and am a competent reloader and caster. I see no reason for the whole Southern stereotype to even be mentioned. I do have the Stars and Bars in my house but I am not a bigot, just a proud Southern boy.

Autolycus
September 30, 2007, 10:12 PM
Well the stereotype is reinforced by the media all the time. Its the same thing about gangbangers and minorities in general. There really is no stereotype. I think its individuals but hey, thats just me.

I am a student going for my bachelors in Sociology, and then I plan to go for my PhD in sociology as well. I intend to go into law enforcement or become a lawyer (I cant decide which profession is more evil ;)) and I also plan to open my own business. I am currently writing a book about my own observations of being a young person in a changing society.

My political views are pretty Libertarian leaning and I am very fiscally conservative while extremely socially liberal. As for religion I am agnostic on a good day and an aethist on a bad day.

CannonFodder
September 30, 2007, 10:14 PM
I have a bachleor's in Theatre and French, am working on a master's in English, will be working on a PhD in Theatre in a couple years. I speak English and French and enjoyed living in France and plan to go back. My education defies the stereotype - I graduated Summa Cum Laude, and my GRE scores were... really dang good. I support various G/L/B/T causes, support studio art classes by modeling for them, and also march for free speech - especially speech with which I disagree. I also teach freshman composition in a university, and I mix freely and cordially with folks of multiple points-of-view.

From that description, one would probably not stereotype me as your typical gun nut.

At least until I enter a really good gun shop.

Then, I turn into Burt Gummer.

On the other hand, the fact that you can't hang the stereotype on me has probably been my most effective tool in introducing people to firearms. In fact, this weekend, I'll be taking a woman shooting who has never seen a gun before.

Autolycus
September 30, 2007, 10:17 PM
A good example of many perceptions that I have encountered is the attitude and dress of "Dale Gribble" from the animated tv show "King of the Hill."

RoadkingLarry
September 30, 2007, 10:20 PM
I'm a long haired bearded Harley ridin' biker.
I'm a Veteran and active member of my local VFW post.
I drive a well maintained 10 year old pickup (no flags, confederate or otherwise).
I hunt.
I fish.
Sometimes I wear camo clothing just because thats whats clean.
I quit caring what other people think about me or what I do a long time ago.

(Just kidding but is having a BS in Western Philosophy kind of like having a BS in B.S.???:) )

PTK
September 30, 2007, 10:21 PM
I'm quite far from the stereotypical gun owner as imagined by many rather ignorant people.

(Waits for the first "I'm gay".)

Let's see....

Gay
Not religious
I dislike all but very sweet beer, but I love wine
I don't smoke
I tend to dress like I'm headed to a Victorian ball
I got my GED at age 16 (earliest my state allowed it) and scored 98th percentile
Don't watch sports, can't even tell you the rules to any
I drive a Toyota compact car, not a truck
I'm not hugely rich, but certainly not poor
I don't hunt
I love to read
I listen to classical music
I dislike Republicans, Democrats, and Green party folks. If a candidate says "vote for me and I'll leave you alone", they get my vote.

Yeah, how's that for a stereotypical gun owner? We're an incredibly diverse group, as it should be.

308win
September 30, 2007, 10:26 PM
I:
Do watch NASCAR
Do hunt and enjoy it
Do have all my teeth
Do read publications other than gun related
Do believe in profiling based on racial, ethnic, religious and any other characteristic - polictically uncorrect or not - that fits our enemies' characteristics
Do believe in deporting all illegals
Do not beat my wife, children, or dogs
Do not believe the government is necessary in all facets of our lives but does have a place
Do not believe that viagra or its ilk or mood altering drugs should be covered by third party payors

jaysouth
September 30, 2007, 10:27 PM
The liberal left anti-gunners control the media and frame the negative stereotypes of anyone with whom they disagree.

Far from being proponents of free speech, they vilify anyone who does not agree with or look like them.

Sistema1927
September 30, 2007, 10:27 PM
So, how are you different from the stereotyped image the media and antis have of gun owners? That is, white, uneducated, poor, slob with a Confederate flag in his pickup truck plastered with NASCAR stickers and a bed full of empty beer cans.


I am white. (strike one). I am well educated: AA, BS in Sociology, MDiv. My family income is way above the median. My wife complains about my anal neatness, and I don't believe that my Connecticut family roots would allow me to demonstrate the Stars and Bars. I own a pickup truck (strike two). Instead of NASCAR stickers I have NRA and SASS stickers. I don't drink beer.

Only two strikes, so I guess that I don't quite fit the stereotype.

Wheeler44
September 30, 2007, 10:36 PM
How do you break the stereotype of gun owners?

Last week there was a thread concerning the masked gunman in NY city.

I searched but didn't find it. (dang) In the original post and the first few replies there was discussion about the media distorting the story for sensationalistic value. The news source was showing a picture of a Barret rifle while talking about the .50 cal rifle the masked gunman had ( it was a Wolf .50 cal black powder). I suggested that some of the members contact the news service and politely correct them. Although I got some replies saying that such a reasonable approach could never work, some on this forum sent e-mails, etc. correcting the news service and explaining the difference between a BP and a Barret. Soon the news service corrected themselves (hooray).

I suggest that every time the media distorts the truth about our sport and the second ammendment we collectively and individually correct them and encourage them (the media) to hold themselves to a higher standard.

This approach will not work in every instance, but it may, incrementally, show us in a better light and remove some of the hysteria and sensationalism that a large part of the media seem to use.

Just think about it please,


Wheeler44

eflatminor
September 30, 2007, 10:44 PM
I am a proud atheist, hold a master's degree in finance, and I'm a strong Libertarian. The latter's probably part of the stereotype but not the first two. I think having a strong, voluntary army is essential but I absolutely do not believe we have the right, nor should we the will, to station troops outside of our borders. I believe it letting people do business without our government's involvement and certainly without the backing of an army for certain industries. Our military should protect our borders. In the case of true tyranny or real genocide (as opposed to counter insurgencies), a world body should intervene. The UN may be dysfunctional but the idea is sound. Other than that, let people trade and learn from one another freely.

I'm single, look like a white guy. My mother is a German Jew and my father Irish. I am not a Zionist.

I support the 2nd amendment, and the others too, without reservation.

springmom
September 30, 2007, 10:46 PM
ROTFL! Middle aged woman (there's one!), mom of four, stay at home mom at that. I've frequently joked that the reason I've never been "made" when concealed carrying is that NOBODY (who didn't know me) would look and say, Oh, now, THERE is a person likely to carry a gun :D:neener:

And being all that, I hunt, shoot trap, love taking target practice with rifle and pistol, and carry concealed every day.

<CRASH>

(the sound of a stereotype shattering).

Springmom

fast eddie
September 30, 2007, 11:17 PM
Is this a gun board or the personals section of the classified ads?:barf:

eliphalet
September 30, 2007, 11:25 PM
Didn't finish the first one, this a gun forum I don't care what you think of believe nor do I want to express mine. Like celebrities, sing your song or do your acting and leave the personal/religion, and politics at home where they belong. Fine with me if you all wanna share but that's my take on it.

trueblue1776
September 30, 2007, 11:29 PM
"I like football, porno, books...

Books about WAR!"

Dope
September 30, 2007, 11:34 PM
I'm from MA.

Dope

mmike87
September 30, 2007, 11:39 PM
The gun "stereotype" is not based on anything really. It's a fabrication of the anti-gun minority to try and create a social stigma against gun owners.

How do you break it? Just be yourself. Gun ownership doesn't by itself define me - but it is part of who I am. People will either accept that or they won't.

Travis Lee
September 30, 2007, 11:39 PM
I usually spit my chaw, and loose teeth at them, pistol whip 'em, and ram their Prius with my barely functional pick-up truck, with the Confederate flag plate on front.......

That usually straightens them out. :neener:



I don't bother to justify myself when a gun-bigot decides to get an attitude. Just being a gun owner is enough to make them think that I should be rounded up with all those other NRA-TYPES and sent somewhere that right thinking people don't have to think about us.

Somebody shows me he's a bigot, he can just go away.

--Travis--

Stevie-Ray
September 30, 2007, 11:59 PM
I'm somewhat of an enigma in that I am a conservative American Indian and a member of the UAW.:uhoh: I added college to my education to become an industrial electrician. I drive 2 pickup trucks. Whoops. Been married to the same lovely woman (who is not otherwise a relative) for the last 32 years. Could not even think of beating my handicapped wife, though I could truly hurt anybody that even thinks about approaching her in a negative way, does that count? I still have all my own teeth and have never "chewed." I usually have a case or 2 of Michelob Light on hand. Whoops. The only flag I fly is the Stars and Stripes except for those silly things that represent the seasons that my wife loves so much. My neighbor flies the Stars and Bars sometimes, though, and that's his business; I couldn't care less. I have 2 cats and love them dearly. No dogs. I don't really intend to miss a NASCAR race on the tube, but do frequently and it's not the end of the world. Maybe half a whoops. Hmmm.........50/50?

jungleroy
October 1, 2007, 12:10 AM
You forgot the Chrome women on my trucks mudNrock flaps.
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I smile alot, leaves others guessing.;)

iamkris
October 1, 2007, 12:13 AM
How do you break the stereotype of the knuckle-dragging, inbred gun owner?

Be yourself - that is...normal
Talk about guns, shooting, hunting, the fun you have as part of the shooting sports in as normal a manner as someone talks about last night's football game
Don't be a fanatic -- fanatics tend to breed distrust
Don't back down but don't be in people's face...take any opportunity to talk about guns and shooting but stick to facts and not emotions
Take someone shooting...often. I bet you can't take someone for an afternoon with a .22 LR, a brick of shells and some pop cans and they not have fun
Treat shooting as if it is normal (because it is) and don't hide it...I proudly read gun magazines when I fly...I enjoy every negative glare I get and every once in a while strike up an interesting conversation with a fellow shooter


As for me...

Married, three kids
BS, MS, MBA
Mid-level executive at a Fortune 50 electronics firm
Higher levels of income
Private pilot
I do hunt, hate to fish, like to camp
I do drive an SUV (my SUV **hearts** Iraqi oil)
1 dog, 1 cat, 2 gerbils, 3 fish
Big, suburban house -- a 101 year old restored post-Victorian, though, not a McMansion

IA_farmboy
October 1, 2007, 12:13 AM
How do you break the stereotype? I'd start with, "Of course I have a gun... don't you?"

After buying my first firearm I've had several comments that seemed so odd...
"Do you hunt?" Do only hunters have a rifle?

"Your not going on some shooting rampage now are you?" Yes, because a bolt action .22 rim fire would be the first choice of someone that wanted to pile up the body count.

"Why would you need a gun?" Do I need a reason? Why do I need an iPod? I don't need a lot of things I own. I want, I get. (Within reason and budget of course.)

I'm not sure how someone breaks the stereotype that a gun owner is some kind of criminal or otherwise a lesser person. One thing that might help is to stop treating them like criminals, such as putting an end to the NICS. That just points out a catch-22 doesn't it? If gun owners are viewed as criminals then we need a background check, since we have a background check because there must be a high number of criminals that own or want to buy guns.

I don't think it matters how law abiding firearm owners present themselves, the people that want to take our guns away will find some way to stereotype us as less than themselves.

Ian
October 1, 2007, 12:21 AM
Is this a gun board or the personals section of the classified ads? :barf:

This is a great thread for antis to see. We all know the stereotype and laugh about it, because we know better. But there really are folks out there who have no exposure to guns or gun owners beyond what politicians and the media tell them, and some of those folks actually believe the stereotypes.

Showing that we are normal folks in every walk of life is, I think, an excellent tool to help preserve the RKBA.

Geno
October 1, 2007, 12:29 AM
I got ya all beat...

1) I'm a graduate professor, in urban Detroit, who has converted 3 of my colleagues to become gun-toting RKBA believers. Two additional are saving for their pistols.

2) I shoot with my graduate students when I see them at the range.

3) During class break time, I speak with my students about RKBA, and say to the antis,

I'll give up my firearms when you give up free speech, free association and free expression. But then, it won't matter becuase I won't give them up, and you won't be able to say anything about it.

Besides...explain to me how the antis, who want to take my firearms, and who do not own firearms themselves, believe they will be able to take mine! Picture it...people with no guns...gonna take the guns away from gun-owners.

Do you see the flaw in that logic?! Hell, they can come take them...but it won't be the guns they get first...I'll give them the bullets first. If they still want my guns after I give them all the bullets, let them take them...if they can!"

Yes...I really, truly do say that. And, in all seriousness, most of my students express pro-RKBA. :neener:

cpttango30
October 1, 2007, 12:37 AM
I am white educated (Working on 2 IT Degrees).
I am former Military.
I believe that everyone should own at least one fully auto weapon.
I Hate NASCAR. I am a NHRA guy. (Thanks to NASCAR and there stupid points system, they did it to NHRA and screwed it all up)
I may live in the south but there is no Confederate flag flying around me or my cars.
I do not drive a pick up. I drive a 2007 Saturn Ion.
I do not get into petty fights with nothing but emotions. I use logic and stats to point out to gun haters that I am not a bad person.
I have all my teeth.
I do not drink. (One beer a year can not be seen as drinking)
I believe that is the Government gets it hands on my health care I will not have any. (The VA is government Health care and it is so bad people can not get hardly anything they need esp. mental health care for returning war veterans)
I believe that if two men want to get married more power to them they are not bothering me. Same goes with women too.
If they want to raise a child go for it. They would more than likely have a loving home that is clean neat and they would dress a lot better than many kids out there today.
I believe that the schools should be used to TEACH not for a personal campaign to save the world threw my child.
I believe that the government should keep there hands out of education.
I believe that if you are a women and on welfare you should have to be on birth control (Norplant or once every three month injections). You should also only have a limited time on welfare before being removed and made to stand on your own two feet.
I do not believe we (our Military) needs to be a world wide meals on wheels.
I do not own a dog. Although I do have 4 cats.
I believe in taking care of our environment. Although Global warming is a Hoax brought about by the government to scare people after the fall of communism.

theleveloftime
October 1, 2007, 01:15 AM
One thing I find interesting is that some people who claimed to be educated believe in a lot of silly things.
I am autodidactic.
I have a huge gas guzzling Ford Expedition Wagon
I have a big Japanese pick truck. Both new. And paid for.
I don't trade blood for oil. Thats why I have big rigs, I don't put the wife in an eggshell and think good thoughts about myself.
I am a real conservationist not a hysterical child frightened by boogeymen.
I don't hunt because I don't need to or have time for it.
I don't like country music.
I am an artist and a poet and a warrior, all rolled into one loveable fine figure of a man.
I have lots of guns, knives. swords, and books.
I have friends of all kinds from all walks of life.
I read about 50 books a year and write at least 500 letters.
I would never vote for a democrat and I think socialist are slow killers of the human spirit and soul.
I don't have a rebel flag but respect your right to have one.
I don't judge anyone on the color of thier skin or sexual preference.
I do on thier political choices. Death to tyrants and a pox on supporters of tyrants.
I am not in the least ashamed of being who I am and I do not owe an appology to any persons living or dead.
I don't drink but encourage it in others, it makes them smile. A drinking girl is an expensive date but almost always worth it.
I don't smoke but encourage others to do so if they so desire.
I leave other people alone.
I have a parrot who can cuss better than you.
I don't practice self congratulations as a way of life
but I sure had fun sounding off writting this.:neener::neener::neener:
yeah and I can't spell.

GigaBuist
October 1, 2007, 01:22 AM
I don't always help the image much.

Last week, after work, I hopped into my Jeep Cherokee, flipped the radio on and tuned it to a local country station, drove to the local store and bought myself a bottle of whisky and a couple cans of chewing tobacco.

In the checkout lane I realized I had a shirt with "NRA" on it, 8" tall letters.

Sorry 'bout that guys.

Diamondback6
October 1, 2007, 01:53 AM
Let's see:

Don't hunt--will if I have to to eat, but as long as the supermarket's in business...
Don't drink beer--prefer mixed drinks like a gimlet, maybe 1-3 a year.
Am generally a very quiet, soft-spoken, reserved kind of person, with an IQ in the 150s*, and a history student.
I listen mostly to classical music, and read the classics frequently.
Still have all my teeth.
Dress fairly upscale, in khakis and shirts with collars. (Albeit the latter are also khaki, frequently by 5.11)
Don't hate all liberals as "Pinko Commie Turds"--some of my closest friends have had politics opposite to most of my own.

Just off the top of my head...

*I try not to talk much about this one, I prefer to let performance speak for itself and for me.

tkkr
October 1, 2007, 02:06 AM
after having the morning beer & chew while watching nascar, i hop in my camo truck and drive along the county roads spraypainting (camo, of course) stop signs. then when the afternoon hits its time for some wife beating and banjo playing except instead of a banjo its a M16shotgunA5withgrenadelauncher thats how i butcher my dinner meat from coon and armodillos THEN after dinner for dessert i have squirrel dumplings from fresh rooster egg after the bears and cougars have left and the truck explodes i slip into somthing more 'comfortable' and go skiing on the bed of my truck waist high fill with beer cans WITH DOUBLE BARREL FULL AUTO GLOCK 9MM POWERED +P++P++PP++PPP++P LOADS BLASTNG MY WAY THRU THE CLEARING OF DEER AND SMALL ANIMALS, never looking back becus thats not what spartans did at the olympics millions of years ago

.cheese.
October 1, 2007, 02:10 AM
White, but technically part Cuban

Jewish

Son of a physician and an attorney

Nobody in my family who is married to each other is related by blood. ie: Mom and dad were not related when they met and married.... uncles and aunts are the same..... no inbreeding going on here.

BBA in Economics
(Just took the LSAT and am getting ready to take the GMAT so I can do a JD/MBA)

Very computer literate, a geek I suppose - Linux user and hobbyist programmer. Run my own Linux server for hobby and business purposes.

Play the keyboard and have a home studio as another hobby. Further hobbies are magic, juggling, unicycling, and balloon art.

Worked for years as a children's magician/juggler/balloon-artist

Rarely drink and when I do I drink very little.

I have a thing for Yankee Candles and aromatherapy - especially the Christmas related scents. (I'm not gay, but while we're at it I have a lot of college friends who are)

Read a lot (and I'm not ashamed to admit that I loved the Harry Potter series and can't wait to see them make the last two books into movies)

I have a huge DVD collection... but not a single porno

Moderate as far as politics go
- I do believe abortion should be legal, but I also believe it should have limits
- I don't agree 100% with Bush's decisions, but I do support our President
- I believe gay marriage should be legal
- I'm super pro RKBA (have plenty of guns including 2 AR's and 6 Glocks)
- I'm not convinced that human influence is responsible entirely for the current climate shifts, but I'm open-minded to additional evidence on either side of the debate.
- I believe stem cell research should be given much more priority by our government
- I don't believe in the Universal HealthCare system proposal
- I believe in being conservative as far as taxes go, the government wastes too much money and spends money on things that should be left to the private sector.
- I haven't gone hunting, but I can't wait for my first trip
- I currently hate most of the democratic candidates for President '08 about as much as most of the republican candidates
- I believe drugs should be legalized, and taxed (one of the few times I believe taxation is good)
- and it goes on..... my political views aren't held by any one party

I don't drive a pickup truck or an SUV, I drive an '07 Infiniti G35 sedan, before that it was an '00 Honda Accord Coupe

I live on the ocean in a luxury home in a very expensive and high-class neighborhood.

I have all my teeth, plus they are all straight and white, and I go to the dentist regularly.

I don't think I have any family in the true "South". I'm in South Florida which isn't really the south, despite it's geographical location. The rest of my family lives in Los Angeles, San Fran, Chicago, NYC, Philly, Washington DC, and Las Vegas.

I've lived and worked in London.

I have a General Class ham radio license, but will be taking the Extra Class test soon.

As far as guns go, as mentioned, I have plenty.... and several thousand rounds of premium ammunition (Speer GD, Hornady TAP, etc.).... and I carry a gun every day.

No criminal record obviously.

I also love knives. Currently I seem to be loving Benchmade and Spyderco.

I love cats and dogs... but currently only have 1 dog.... a tiny white dog who has never growled in his life.

I have never beaten any woman and would sooner kill myself than do so.

My favorite time of year, despite being Jewish is Christmas time. I put up a huge holiday/Christmas light display. I'm about to start work on putting up this year's in 2 weeks. I love the creativity involved. It's not about the religious aspect for me. It's about the magic of building a fantasy world out of lights.

I don't remember my exact IQ, but I remember being told when I tested at 17 that I wasn't quite in "Genius" but on the border between "Extremely gifted" and "Genius"........ I was just glad not to be retarded

I'm not a fan of NASCAR. I do enjoy the NHL though. I sometimes enjoy the NFL, but sometimes it can be boring. For example, I fell asleep at the Dolphins vs Raiders game today.... and no it was not on TV... I was in the stands with thousands of people cheering...... just.... I was sleeping. The game was mostly boring, it was raining, and I had just taken the LSAT yesterday and had not yet gotten much sleep. NBA is ok.... I'm not huge on it though. Hockey is my sport for watching. I play tennis though and am pretty good (I weigh almost 300 pounds but I more or less guarantee I'll kick your butt at tennis :D ). I'm not as good, but I do enjoy playing basketball or football with friends... and golf. I'm just not big on watching these sports on tv or in person.

I'm heavy.... but I'm trying to lose weight.

I'm out of stuff to type.... but I'll add that I type at over 60 wpm... which I think is a neat skill.

Samurai Penguin
October 1, 2007, 02:13 AM
So, how are you different from the stereotyped image the media and antis have of gun owners? That is, white, uneducated, poor, slob with a Confederate flag in his pickup truck plastered with NASCAR stickers and a bed full of empty beer cans.

(Waits for the first "I'm gay".)

Well...um...

I'm White, poor and not a total hygiene freak.

But I'm pretty educated, I don't own a pickup truck(or a car period), NASCAR usually bores me unless there's a horrendous wreck, and I put all my beer cans in the garbage.

And I'm not gay, but I am bi. Does that count? :confused:

Prince Yamato
October 1, 2007, 02:18 AM
I know some of you think this thread is rather pointless, but understand that some people who would otherwise own guns do not because they feel that they must somehow conform to that negative stereotype or will be classified in that way.

Heck the first words out of my mouth before I fired my first gun were, "I'm not your stereotypical gun owner, but..."

The thing is, there shouldn't even be a "stereotypical gun owner", just as there really isn't a stereotypical drill owner.

Wouldn't it be funny if every time someone saw you with a power tool they said, "Uh oh, better watch out, Paul is going to flip...that house!" or "Crazy 'Norm Abram' over there thinks he's on New Yankee Workshop!" ? Next thing you know Canadian Tire requires a drill purchase permit and Home Depot bans open drill carry in all Texas stores...

ROMAK IV
October 1, 2007, 02:20 AM
I would like nothing more than to end the stereotype about gun owners, yet it remains because the liberal leaders, the antis, and the media perpetuate it. I would love nothing more than for the left to give up on gun control, but I don't believe it for a second. Liberal gun owners?! Welcome! Gay gun owners?! Welcome! That doesn't mean I agree with liberal agenda or support gay marriage. The common enemy is more dangerous than the differences. They are ruthless and will lie and demonize you in a heartbeat. They don't give up, either. As far as other politicians go, Republicans generally support gun freedom, but the exceptions are too numerous to keep track of. The perception of the NRA being a right wing organization is an invention of the previous Clinton administration. The NRA, like most gun owners, is centered on many different political backgrounds with only one purpose, nd the conflict often makes it less effective. I happen to fit the "negative stereotype", that being White, male, comservative, and lower middle class. I prefer military surplus firearms, especially full power semiautomatics with removable magazines. I oppose the continued travesty of the federal government in restricting to the point of near banning full automatics. I also oppose background checks and other "sensible gun control laws". The NRA has been caving in for yeares and a total gun ban has progressed in slow motion. That being said, I don't apologize for my interest in firearms, and never will. To purposely avoid the stereotyoe through "lip service". You won't convince anyone and you won't avoid the stereotype either. People aren't convinced by meekness or condescention, they are convinced by enthusiam and passion. I don't intentionally force people to accept me and I don't advertize, yet people know eventually and they can take it or leave it. Which is the point anyway, the media isn't ever going to change their perception, so they should be replaced. Most, not all, alternative media supports gun freedom. When they do, we should support them as we would anyone who supports gun freedom. The liberal leaders currently give lip service to the RKBA, but I don't believe them for a minute. Clinton made a carreer of classifying guhn owners as right wing nuts, and Mr's Clintin hasn't done anything to cause me to doubt her support. At the same time, few Republican candidates, other than Ron Paul, has made a commitment to restoring the RKBA. I keep hoping for gun control to become an issue, but most candidates, prefer to keep it unmentioned. I only hope that gun owning democrats will raise the issue as much as gun owning republicans or gun owning independants do. I am tired of presidents like the last three doing things like using regulations, executive orders, and promoting laws that limit the rights of gun owners or make it difficult, expensive, or illegal to aquire firearms.

sm
October 1, 2007, 02:20 AM
I don't.
One cannot change people places and things.
Folks are going to think and stereotype as they please, they always have and always will.

Being the Southern Gentleman I am, sometimes its best to Tump out the lies, mis-quotes, skewed statistics, and all out on the table and call the Anti's out and make 'em fess up and look others in the eyeball to verify and cite sources for what they are attempting to do to Gun Owners.

Now I admit getting a kick out of Antis Stepping-n-Fetching and looking for the door as they haul butt back the way they came.


Then again I am one to shake my head and question if someone has any sense trying to eat fried chicken with a knife and fork.

Some folks just ain't raised right , some foods like fried chicken and BBQ 'pposed to be eat with the fingers and hands...


Anti's, <shakes head> they probably think Saucered-n-Blowed is something dirty we do in the South too...

hehehe...

Y'all don't come back ya hear...

Lurp
October 1, 2007, 03:59 AM
I'm currently attending college
I collect colognes
My views are libertarian
I drive a foreign pick-up
I don't watch Nascar

but other than that I pretty much fit in with the good ol' boys :D

ArfinGreebly
October 1, 2007, 04:02 AM
That's, like, using both hands on the keyboard?

Let's see.

----

White male over fifty.
Four siblings, three surviving.
Married. More than once.
Kids from two marriages (total four), all over 18. Lost one to cancer.
Grandkids.
Religion? Yes.
Philosophy? Yes.
Attend church? No.
Tolerant of others' beliefs? Yes.
Self taught in most things.
Computer programmer with background in electronics and radio communications.
Taught five years of college -- computer languages.
Taught one summer of English grammar.
No college degree.
Shoot for fun and for self defense.
Don't hunt, but want to learn.
However I have killed, prepared, and eaten animals.
Lazy to the point that I'll work late nights and weekends trying to find an easier way.
Try to understand the person in front of me, rather than impress my beliefs and understandings on him. It wasn't always this way.
I am, in many ways, "conservative" but also "libertarian."
I hold that "liberalism" is semantically null, and changes meaning depending on the decade in context.
Detest socialism and all derivative -isms. This is a function of my having lived in socialist countries.
Have been outside the USA, visited at least six countries and lived in three of those.
Have spent time at sea. I have nearly killed my shipmates, and learned valuable lessons from that.
Have spent a decade in foreign countries doing volunteer work in education and rehab.
Have seen death up close and personal.
Have never killed any person.
I have cats.
I have had dogs, but do not presently have one.
I have nearly no artistic ability, but I can whistle, sing, and carve objects from wood.
Music tastes too varied to describe.
I speak okay Danish and really bad German, as well as a couple of British dialects.
I like photography, but am very much an amateur.

----

I'm sure there's a stereotype hiding in there somewhere.

Let me know if you find it.

~~

RockyMtnTactical
October 1, 2007, 05:13 AM
I make it a point that when I am around people who know that I am a gun lover that they realize my insistence in safety and proper gun handling techniques.

FourNineFoxtrot
October 1, 2007, 05:56 AM
The stereotypes are a bit of a mixed bag for me.

- I come from a liberal, anti-gun family, and live in a liberal state.
- Former political liberal, now leaning towards libertarianism.
- White, Germanic/Scandinavian/Scots-Irish heritage
- Agnostic, but in my more emotional moments, I've been known to pray to Odin or Thor. They've never answered, as far I can tell, although I am still alive. Maybe that was the answer. Most of the religion-linked issues I'm pretty liberal on, as they aren't issues for me: Pro-choice, no problem with gay marriage. Basically, my philosophy is, "Leave folks alone, let 'em do their thing unless it's hurting somebody."
- Rural-raised, but involuntarily an urbanite (I hate city living)
- Some college education, currently in progress.
- I drive a truck, but it's a little Chevy that I like because the cab is roomy, and I'm a big guy. I used to drive a Subaru Outback... I loved that car.
- I smoke cigarillos and drink whiskey (pretty buzzed right now, Maker's Mark is good stuff and goes down smooth). I have a growing appreciation for beer, but it's not my drink of choice. Certainly no beer cans in my truck bed... lots of energy drink cans in the cab, though.
- I don't hunt, although I wouldn't mind learning. Not a priority, though.
- Not former military, nor intending to join up. I've noticed that a disproportionate number of posters here, and gun owners I've found in general, have been current or former military. Not me. Nor am I an LEO, although I had a brief career as a security guard that changed the way I think on levels I'm only beginning to understand.
- Cordially detest NASCAR, and sports in general. I think professional athletes are overpaid, and have become the objects of a most unwholesome hero-worship by many people. I'll watch football, if there's nothing else on, but that's it.
- No rebel flags on my car or in my house... not because I have anything against the Stars and Bars, but mostly because I've no claim to the heritage, myself. If I had family in the War Between the States, they likely wore blue.
- I love to read, mostly science fiction, and plan to try my hand at writing the stuff. Part of what influenced me to become interested in firearms (and affected my political views) were writers like Robert A. Heinlein.
- No inbreeding as far as I know. However, I seem to be coincidentally descended from Clan Gordon from both sides of my family. They tell me that we had castles in the old country, and that Charles George "Chinese" Gordon was a relative. Well and good, but Americanization has stripped the family of any gentry status we had, and so much the better. Just regular folks now, but I have the name, and the history. That's something.


Stereotypes typically become so because there's a grain of truth at the core of them. Problem is, that grain of truth is based on perception, and the causes of them are rarely well-understood. These days, communication is so widespread, so instantaneous, so available, that's it's put paid to that core truth behind a number of stereotypes. I hope I live to see the day these stereotypes are forgotten relics, fallen by the wayside.

Glockman17366
October 1, 2007, 06:46 AM
I actually think the NRA is doing quite well in dispelling the stereotype (although I am a bib overall wearing, tractor drivin' white boy, and I don't have all my (real) teeth).

However, the media likes to promote the redneck gun lovin' hillbilly. That's their ignorance and one of the reasons they have such little credibility anymore.
Of course, we promote that stereotype too, in a way. How many of you folks have used "Bubba" for a guy who tricked out his rifle?

Arsyx
October 1, 2007, 07:02 AM
Stereotypes will never be broken. For every person you dislike for having a stereotype you yourself stereotype someone. For instance, I've lived in the city my entire life. I enjoy trips to the mall, I enjoy reading, although I'm agnostic I've studied many religions, I dress appropriate yet I do hunt, and I do watch Nascar yet I must be a hick. I've heard insinuations from many THR members that "huntin' rifles n' nascars is for 'em hillbillies!" that are at the same time trying to break a stereotype for their own petty cause...

trueblue1776
October 1, 2007, 09:16 AM
Missing teeth seems to be coming up a lot. The chainsaw chain rule applies to humans too:

If you're missing more than three in a row or five total...

Baba Louie
October 1, 2007, 09:19 AM
How do you break the stereotype of gun owners?One educates the uneducated holder of such stereotypes, if one chooses to expand the effort. The ignorant, one should probably choose to ignore.

I consider George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and John F Kennedy to be "stereotypical" gun owners as history has proven. Pretty good company actually.

Cmdr. Gravez0r
October 1, 2007, 09:32 AM
Oh boy, I think I reinforce the stereotype more than anything.

I'm White Anglo-Saxon Southern Protestant.
I think Nascar is cool even though I don't watch it.
I disagree with gay people on that issue, though I try to love them with the love of the Lord
I have worked in Residential construction on a good ole boy crew.
I think we should build the Wall.
I wish I owned a Ford Pickup with a gun rack.
I don't like Yankees (as a general principle)
I'm proud to be from South Carolina
--BUT I also lived abroad for four years and consider South Africa to be my second home. I've also traveled to West Africa.

JohnL2
October 1, 2007, 09:40 AM
I prefer Grand Prix F1 racing to the motorized circus maximus. Would love to race in one. What a kick that would be.
I have an Associates degree. Tried to do the school thing. Faced facts that academia and I just don't get along. Oh well. Really, if you have half a brain I think you can do okay on your own anyway.
Political views are pretty centrist. Though I do lean Republican.
I read everything from Atlantic Monthly to Mad magazine. Last book I have read was Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant.
Was raised a Protestant Christian but I consider myself agnostic. I believe in a higher power. I just don't think the human mind has a good grasp of whatever it is yet.
I am extremely taciturn about my firearms hobby. You always run into some arrested development knucklehead who will get the wrong idea. Before you know it the grapevine has you pegged.

JWarren
October 1, 2007, 09:44 AM
So, how are you different from the stereotyped image the media and antis have of gun owners? That is, white, uneducated, poor, slob with a Confederate flag in his pickup truck plastered with NASCAR stickers and a bed full of empty beer cans.


I'm probably going to be in the minority here, it seems. But I have a better idea-- attack the stereotype itself.


Think about it for a minute.

We are so worried about {gasp} we should be associated with those poor, white, uneducated slobs....

The reasons for that desire is obvious-- I went through that in my youth. None want to be associated with what society deems to be "inferior" or distainful. We all want to be seen in the best light.

I, frankly, think we have a very skewed opinion of what that best light is.


The fact is that this has been going on as long as there has been urban and rural. The desire to distinguish predates the colonization of the New World and it still seems to be going strong today.

At 18 years old, I couldn't wait to get out of the rural world I lived in. I didn't want to be associated with those that this thread seems to be concerned with. I left. I got an education. I became successful in my career.

And I learned that it simply didn't matter in a lot of people's eyes. You can't run from your accent. Even though I've lived in 3 of the largest cities in the US over my career-- including NYC, I retained my southern accent. In the WTC, I heard the first usage of the term "Mississippi Goat-Roper" applied. Every single day that I lived in NYC, I got some kind of comment regarding my accent.


Now--at 36 years old, I've come appreciate my home and my heritage. When I decided to open my firm, I did it in the South. It really took Hurricane Katrina for me to see those "poor, uneducated slobs" in thier true light. They were the one that took it upon themselves to clear roads, to start developing some kind of normalcy. Those were the ones that ACTUALLY had the skills needed to use equipment that would get things going. I saw a lot of hard work out of those guys, and I saw a lot of caring and concern for those that could not do for themselves. I had some very nice guys RESPECTFULLY take the time to teach me how to do what they were doing so I could be useful. They, of course, ribbed me a little about not knowing things because I've been behind a desk most of my life. But it was always delivered with a big grin and a lot of patience. That is FAR more than I can say on the other side.

Sure, those guys probably have a beer can or two in the back of their truck. So freaking what? He probably enjoys a beer after working a 12-hour day on logging, loading, or whatever. So he is uneducated. So what... I know a LOT of people with Master's Degrees that couldn't find their butts with both hands even if they had a big-ole-butt map. Education comes in many forms. Some of those men have real technical skills that most of us will never have. They use those skills for a honest day's work.

So he may not have a lot of money. Does money define worth? I know a lot of poor people who are golden in spirit. I know a lot of rich persons that are horrible persons. Money has nothing to do with character.


Recently, there was a documentary on The History Channel entitled The True Story of the Hillbillies that discussed the history of the people of Appalachia. It was fascinating. I would think that we-- as liberty-loving people-- would exhalt those people who struggled against the encroachment of government and big-business practices of the early 20th century which were highly exploitive to the working-class persons. I would strongly recommend anyone to watch the documentary.


If you REALLY would like to examine the nature of class, geographic, and racial issue in our society as it pertains to the rural working class, take a look at this book:

The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad

http://www.amazon.com/Redneck-Manifesto-Jim-Goad/dp/0684831139


HOWEVER, be warned that the language in the book will make your eyes bleed. Without the language, however, the book could be considered a serious scholarly work on the topic. And yet, it would lose a lot of its "power" if the language WAS calmed down... so go figure. The book has 23 pages of bibliography and addresses the topic as it has evolved through the last several centuries.




-- John

Microlon
October 1, 2007, 09:44 AM
I always wondered why someone would be so concerned about me, or you, having a gun. Do they think I'm going to shoot them out of the blue, just because I have one and they don't? I really don't get it. It speaks poorly for their views on human nature, restraint, motives and any concept of personal responsibility. If they refuse to become truly educated on the subject, what else can be done? That's the real task, isn't it?

Teach your children well.

PILMAN
October 1, 2007, 10:03 AM
I am a Jew from Chicago, Illinois. 21 years old. I moved down to Florida and i'm definitely not a redneck. I have some right wing views on certain issues, feel that illegal aliens should be deported, I don't have any problem with the confederate flag, I do not support gay marriage but what someone does in their own bedroom is their own business as long as it's not promoted to me or my kids.

I am against gun control in any form. No idea where this stereotype comes from, but it gets really irritating when someone says "Oh do you date your cousin?" or "Are you a Jesus freak and a redneck?" when I tell someone I own guns. Very annoying.

Also I don't see why people hate rednecks so much? Theres plenty in my area in the panhandle and they are some of the friendliest people I have met.

Kentak
October 1, 2007, 10:20 AM
Let's see, well, I am white, if that's part of the stereotype.

Retired teacher, masters degree in Ed Administration
Member of NRA *and* NEA
Had to ask why all the fuss when Dale Earnhardt died
Never hunted
Atheist
Pro choice
Amused by all the fuss about gays being able to marry
Think Bush is pretty much an idiot
Never owned a pick-up truck
Think Rush is an overrated blowhard

But, also,
Think the wrong person died at Chappaquiddick
Fly the flag and respect it
Libertarian, but usually end up voting Republican
Dislike most liberals
Have an "assault rifle" and lots of ammo. Just in case.
Can make an argument for RKBA absent 2A
etc., etc., etc.

K

fixyurgun
October 1, 2007, 10:30 AM
Fools will think what they wish in spite of all proofs or facts. So I really don't try to change anyones mind (I also don't give a d*** what fools think). jim

Cannonball888
October 1, 2007, 10:34 AM
Not completely "white"
Professional medical degree
Don't own a pickup or a Harley
Not a NASCAR fan
Don't drink canned beer
Not missing any front teeth
My kids aren't also my nephews
Don't have household appliances sitting on the porch
Never owned a pitbull
Never left Christmas lights up indefinitely
etc

iamkris
October 1, 2007, 10:37 AM
+1 JWarren

I grew up on a farm in Central Illinois...not so much redneck (in terms of knuckle dragging, green teethed) but more **simple** people...and I couldn't wait to get the heck out of there.

Now, trapped in the north shore suburbs of Chicago my wife and I find pleasure in going to my home town. A slower pace of life, relaxed, friendly people.

If the corporate job opportunities existed there, I would move to a smaller city. Would love to figure out my own business that was geography independent.

Alexfubar
October 1, 2007, 10:49 AM
White. Married. 43 years old. 3 rifles , 3 shotguns , 6 pistols & a CCW. 2 large dogs. Not very friendly , but always polite. My fences are in better shape than my house.

I am the guy in the Ye Olde quaint New England fishing town turned suburb of Boston who is "local color" rather than "just passing through". My family has been here forever , pre-Revolitionary War , on this street.

Remember Robert Shaw's character " Quint" , in the movie Jaws ? That's me , on a good day.

Loucks
October 1, 2007, 10:54 AM
I don't believe I've ever shouted, "Hey, y'all! Watch this!"

Of course, that's something many people only manage to do once. :scrutiny:

eric.cartman
October 1, 2007, 11:20 AM
I'm 27.
I'm educated, BS in CS, NCSU.
I'm rich. Yea, evil rich... family income of 100K+ will do that to you.
I drive an Acura with American flag on it and 2 pro gun bumper stickers.
I don't hunt.
I drink beer and whiskey... good old scotch :)
I believe in God, Country, and Family.
And I listen to country music :D

Am I a little bit country? You Bet!!!

Aussie bloke!
October 1, 2007, 11:36 AM
G'day everyone,......


Lead by example!



Aussie.

learn2shoot
October 1, 2007, 11:55 AM
Me:

Born in UPSTATE NY
White Male - 30
BA in Computer Science
Married
Love Dogs - Tolerant of cats
Just bought my first Honda CR-V SUV (no loan)
We want kids in a year
Work for the Army as a Consultant - Telephony
I have friends who are black, hispanic, Kuwaiti, gay, straight, (R), (D), (L), midget...
Don't watch any sports (except shooting sports)
Hate beer - Like Whiskey, Scotch, Bourbon and Vodka (straight)
Fly the flag (Stars and Stripes)
Like Country Music (but usually don't admit it)
Would like to hunt, but have tried and failed
Believe in God, but thinks religion is actually a bad thing

Art Eatman
October 1, 2007, 12:11 PM
It's all my mommie's fault. She gave me my first Daisy Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas. Six months later she got her PhD in Psychology--in 1942.

Hey, after 66 years, the gun thing is a hard habit to break, y'know?

So my teeth are plastic. They work.

Music? Hank Williams, Rachmaninoff, Mac Wiseman, Beethoven, Merle Haggard and Ravel. I don't like Berg or Sternberg or most modern so-called music. :D

Had my last fight in the spring of 1951, so I don't think I'm inherently violent.

Born and raised in Austintatious. Lived in, stationed in, or travelled a good bit in some twenty countries besides here in the U.S. I don't think I'm insular in my worldview. But I'm where I am by choice, not necessity. :)

Retired professional engineer. Environmentalist, as long as hard science and "true fact" are involved. Used to have enough of an IQ that I hit 96th percentile on the GRE, so I gotta think maybe I ain't all eat up with the stoopids.

And I have quail all over my porch...

Art

Mark_from_Iowa
October 1, 2007, 01:23 PM
I am in graduate school (Microbiology);
I don't drive a truck;
I don't hunt/fish;
I date a liberal minority (who likes guns);
I am a libertarian/conservative (who dislikes both parties).

The only way I fit the "stereotype" is that I am white, raised on a farm, and have an NRA sticker on my car.

xpun8
October 1, 2007, 01:29 PM
I believe the stereotypical gun owner is the same as an American. Race, religion, gender, background, political views are all very diverse.

Bazooka Joe71
October 1, 2007, 01:33 PM
Well, I am white, I like to hunt/fish/drink beer...

However:

I don't kiss my sister on the mouth.
I can both read and write...I can even spell on okkasion(:D)
I don't beat my wife(actually shes just my girlfriend, but don't beat her either)
This time next year I'll be college edumicated(BS in Marketing).
I have a very nice/complete set of pearly whites.
I only have one first name.
I don't eat road kill.
I don't drive a truck(but I do drive an SUV)
My shirts have sleeves(except at the gym)
If I ever uttered the words: G*t *r D*ne I give you permission to pistol whip me.
Oh, and I only wear camo when hunting and camping.

Old Dog
October 1, 2007, 01:44 PM
Stereotypes exist only in the minds of those who would subscribe to them ...

Seems to me that the stereotype of the American gun-owner is (1) a relatively recent phenomena (certainly post Korean War, probably came about during the '60s) and (2) a creation of the mainspring liberal media (television network news, the NY, Boston, Chicago and LA newspapers but quite possibly generated mostly by Time and Newsweek).

And most who would watch or read these media products might end up thinking only redneck white guys and criminals own guns.

Lots of Americans bought into this so-called stereotype, but for many of us, it didn't exist. Growing up, I thought everyone owned guns (and further, that at least half the families I knew (including my own) hunted and fished -- and my father, a college professor, was part of the academic community at a very large MidWestern state university).

If we believe there's a stereotype, we only serve to perpetuate it. For me, I don't acknowledge it.

At this point, I'm not so sure there really is a stereotype of the American gun-owner, only those who own guns, and those who are ignorant because they don't know gun-owners and/or are clueless about one of our most important rights.

JWarren
October 1, 2007, 01:46 PM
Well, since we are all listing our credentials I guess I should-- especially since I am one of the few on this thread that was DEFENDING the poor, uneducated, white, slobs...



I:


-Have my Master's in Public Relations and Crisis Management.
-Have a Bachelor's in Literature
-Have a Bachelor's in Philosophy and Religion
-Have a Bachelor's in Biology
-Am a Chartered Market Technician
-Own a Registered Investment Advisory Firm
-Frat guy in college
-Will drink a beer with you if you offer me one
-Like Wine and actually buy cases for my collection
-Has never owned a truck, but have a jeep
-Has owned 2 BMW' and a Mercedes Roadster (like the Jeep better)
-Grew up in very rural Mississippi town
-Worked in the World Trade Center at one time
-My Daughter (if I ever have one) will be eligible to join The Mayflower Society. (that should shake things up)
-My Daughter (if I ever have one) will be eligible to join the Daughters of the American Revolution.
-My Daughter (if I ever have one) will be eiligible to join the Daughters of the Confederacy.
-Have all my teeth (never had a cavity)


-- John

stonewall34
October 1, 2007, 01:49 PM
Well lets see:
1. I have a Master's Degree in History and I am about to pursue my PhD in the same subject.
2. I actually want to teach in college.
3. I own more books that I can count primarily on Early American History
4. I attend church regularly
5. I am an avid football fan (go Cowboys and Sooners)
6. I love baseball (Poor, pitiful Texas Rangers fan)
7. I love classic rock music primarily anything by Rush
8. I like country music
9. I like classical music
10. I can sing (bass)
11. I love politics
12. I live in Texas and I am a proud Texan
13. I want to live in the country away from most people except my wife and my daughter.
14. I like most cats, can't stand large dogs, and love daschunds.
15. I haven't seen an animal I don't think is cute or beautiful
16. I believe in conserving our natural resources primarily water and I am a firm supporter of the National Park System
17. I believe that we are destined to have some form of universal health care system, although I am not sure how I feel about it.
18. I think both political parties are corrupt beyond repair
19. I don't think that any current politician has the remotest clue what the Founding Fathers think or thought nor do I think they really care.
20. I want to go hunting although I have really never been.
21. Sad movies make me cry
22. I am an unabashed patriot and I am very proud of the country I live in.
23. I love kids (I actually like Middle school kids)
24. I enjoy my daughter and I am very proud of her

In the words of Toby Keith "Hate me if you want to, love me if you can". Anti-gunners are the most hateful and arrogant people I have ever met and simply want to consolidate all power in the hands of an elite few.
Stonewall34

308win
October 1, 2007, 02:11 PM
To state the obvious - the stereotypical gun owner doesn't exist. And if
(s)he did the stereotype would depend on the bias from which the viewer started. When I was a kid I believe the only two people in my neighborhood who didn't own guns were the school teacher/band director on the corner and the widow two houses down (and I am not sure of that). Guns and hunting were a way of life - at least on the West side of town - and violence whether committed with a gun or not was not an everyday phenomenon or at least not one that was in the news everyday.

wheelgunslinger
October 1, 2007, 02:21 PM
To reply to the topic of the thread:

You'll have an idea of who these people are when they start to question you. Pinpoint what their hotbutton issues are and home in on those with a series of questions that will illuminate their need to be taken seriously by not being stereotyped.
Then, turn the same convo to gunowners.

ZeSpectre
October 1, 2007, 02:28 PM
Break the stereotype? I just behave like my normal everyday self.

Hazel
October 1, 2007, 02:50 PM
5'4", 115lb girl. Am I on the right track?

The Wiry Irishman
October 1, 2007, 02:54 PM
Atheist.
Refuse to associate myself with political parties. Dislike the Republicans and Democrats equally.
Hookah smoker. (That's flavored tobacco in a water pipe for those of you that don't know. I'm not saying I break the gun-owner stereotype by using drugs)
Going to grad school for CAD-focused computer graphics in a year.
I work with virtual reality. (www.envision.purdue.edu)
May have a published research paper while I'm still an undergrad (keep an eye on the IEEE VR journal around March)
Huge graphics nerd.
I have a very small kitten (I am also working on photoshopping a very small pintle-mounted M2 to a picture of my very small kitten)
I used to be anti-gun.
I spend most of my money on music and home/car audio stuff.
I think gay rights are civil rights.
Illegal immigrants and people living in America that don't speak English do not bother me in the least.
Avid artist (drawing/painting)
Amateur photographer.
Prefer Formula 1 and ALMS to NASCAR. NASCAR is like watching freeway traffic, and the cars are horrible.
Don't like football, however am a big fan of baseball, bicycle racing, and curling.
Don't hunt, have no desire to.

And probably the biggest difference:

I really do NOT like AR-15s


9MM POWERED +P++P++PP++PPP++P LOADS
+1 for that. Its hillarious

hso
October 1, 2007, 02:54 PM
Since the caricature of gun owners in America is based on spin let's look at the way they could describe me.

Born - TN
Race - White
Work In - Appalachia
Industry - Service
Marital Status - Divorced/Remarried
Children - 2
Kid's school - small SE college and small church school
Hunters in family - 1
Type of area - Rural
Drive - SUV
Hobbies - MMA and guns and knives

Now we could interpret that for them a little differently - I'm a physicist with multiple degrees (physics and geology). Published in refereed scientific journals. I used to work at Oak Ridge National Laboratories but have been working for a large engineering and sciences consulting firm in Oak Ride TN (DOE, EPA, USACE, NASA, DHS, etc.) for over a decade. My ancestors primarily came from Scotland, but I'm 1/8 Cherokee. My ex wife is a full professor in the Physics department at Vandy and my wife has graduate degrees/certifications as a Nurse Practioner/PT/Occupational Health Nurse (only one in the country). My son graduated from Vandy with a degree in Film and my daughter attends a local private school whose students consistently place in the top 1% of the nation academically. I'm a student of Tai Chi and teach firearms safety. We live on the eastern shore of the largest lake in the area and drive either a Prius hybrid or a RAV4. I don't watch NASCAR (although my Division Manager and her family are big fans) nor do I hunt, but I do watch the Food Network and will happily prepare anything my wife, the hunter, bags.

Perhaps they'd rather describe a buddy of ours. Born in Kentucky and educated there. Big, blond and strong. Deer hunts. Drives an SUV. Likes MMA. Happens to be a female graduate degreed environmental geologist working in Oak Ridge that's married to a BJJ instructor. Or ...

The stereotype is based on trying to demonize the group in question. They try to create caricatures of the group so people won't identify with them. This caricature is amusing really when you consider that NASCAR is (one of;)) the fastest growing spectator sport in the US, more people from all over the USA are moving to the SE making it the fastest growing part of the country and that shall-issue states are popping up faster than no-issue states. :D

Bazooka Joe71
October 1, 2007, 03:11 PM
The Wiry Irishman,

I used to be anti-gun.

Glad to have you aboard! What made you change?

hso,

NASCAR is the fastest growing spectator sport in the US

I believe MMA has that title now, doesn't it?

Blackbeard
October 1, 2007, 03:20 PM
I do fit some of the stereotypes:

- White male, considerably overweight
- Conservative Republican

I blow away some of the others:

- Educated at a very prestigious east-coast university
- Have excellent spelling and grammar
- I don't hunt
- I don't drink
- I hate NASCAR
- I don't have a sticker of Calvin peeing on anything
- I drive a Toyota (and not a pickup truck)
- Basically an overgrown nerd who turned pro

RangerVA
October 1, 2007, 04:01 PM
White (34 yo)
Married
Donít hunt
Libertarian (somewhere in the middle)
Network Engineer for DoD contractor
Drive a Toyota Corolla
Only watch MMA and occasionally Professional Football
Never had sex with my sister :neener:

highfive
October 1, 2007, 04:36 PM
I like the thread it shows how different we all are and we all love guns.

Let's see...
I'm not white....I like to read..I'm in active duty stationed in Fort Hood, Texas
I Love it here and I bought my house here. Fluent in 2 languages, went to college didn't finish, didn't have the money.
I have never hunt..but I would like to go, don't smoke, rarely drink and when I drink is a couple of beers.
And of course I love shooting and I hate nascar, Love baseball though
I don't have a truck and i have been married for 5 years now,2 kids and she's not my sister. I guess I'm not the stereotype.. Have fun

Killian
October 1, 2007, 04:37 PM
Exalt the stereotype! Embrace it! Make it your identity!

When I walk to the curb and pick up my mail, I carry my AR15!

I clean my roof gutters with a shotgun!

Bumper sticker says, "I'd rather be shootin' Commies"!

I like Charlton Heston movies!

Oleg Volk's pro-gun shirts aren't "in your face" enough for me!

Immigration: If you can make it past the Army snipers, National Guard, Coast Guard, Homeland Security, 90 ft tall barrier fence, and Texans (shudder) then and only then are your bona fides proven and you can take the immigration tests.

I demand we arm everyone at High School football games to make it more interesting!

I like Charlton Heston movies!

I think I should start a church that takes wild guns out of a box and handles them!

sm
October 1, 2007, 04:53 PM
5'4", 115lb girl. Am I on the right track?

It is a start.

Got any pictures of trucks, gun racks in trucks, dawgs, fishin' poles, farm ponds, rifle scabbards with a rifle in the scabbard, deer antlers over the fireplace...

You do know the words to the song Redneck, White Socks and Blue Ribbon Beer ...right?


Oh please tell me ya know what Tump, is and John Deere Green is one of the colors in the bathroom shower curtain ...

:D

I know , I stay in trouble around here.

Steve

The Wiry Irishman
October 1, 2007, 06:55 PM
Bazooka Joe71,

See my recent post here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=306362

To sum up, it wasn't an argument that changed my mind, it was getting to know real gun people. Once I realized that they were decent, logical people just like everyone else, I started to see everything in a different light. I began to believe all the rational pro-gun arguments later, but what got me at first was realizing "These guys aren't going to hurt anybody, why shouldn't they be allowed to have guns?"

Paulus
October 1, 2007, 07:06 PM
I'm a gun owner under deep cover. I teach at a church-related university which is probably full of hoplophobes. (I never talk about guns and shooting. Only on the internet!)

I drive two Volvos (but not at the same time; wifey uses the other). I listen to NPR.

I have lived in Muslim-majority countries (Egypt, Palestine and Indonesia) about 10 years of my life as an aid worker or university teacher.

Wonder if there's anyone up here in Northern Indiana like me that lurks around THR?

regards to all,

Paulus

mgregg85
October 1, 2007, 09:08 PM
Why should we have to segregate ourselves or try to self validate. It only goes to promote the elitist, holier than thou attitudes in every direction.

That being said, I drive a rusty old pick up truck with junk in the back. Its got a few stickers on it, one is a "Peace through superior firepower", another is a frog with a diving flag image in the background(I used to SCUBA dive), and the last one is an NRA/American Flag sticker. I'm only an apprentice electrician and I work in a chemical plant. I can't stand NASCAR but I do enjoy NHL, NBA, NFL, NCAA and MLB. Despite some of these "redneck" features, I believe in equal rights for all, even if I don't agree with their personal choices. I dislike universal health care but only because I dislike the thought of the government choosing my healthcare and charging me what they see fit. I've met and spoke with several muslims and have been inside a Mosque. I've studied the Qu'ran, Vedas and Mayanana Sutras. I don't care if you don't speak english, America has no official langauge anyways. I'm somewhat fluent in Spanish and try to talk to people in that language for the fun of it. What it all comes down to is i'm a proud American who likes to shoot stuff up real good. I tend to vote for whoever supports the traditional constitutional values to most. I drink beer, smoke cigars, eat bad food and thats just the way I like to live. If a guy wants to walk down the road wearing a pink t-shirt and girl's jeans holding hands with his boyfriend, then so be it. Just don't get mad at me if I like to shoot stuff up in the woods with an evil, high capacity magazine ammunition clip thingy rifle with attached bayonet and grenade launcher.

Nolo
October 1, 2007, 09:14 PM
How do you break the stereotype?
You take them shooting. Seriously, they'll see that gun owners aren't lunatics, that they're (we're) reasonable rational people that just happen to have an extremely loud hobby.

stevekl
October 1, 2007, 10:10 PM
I refuse to hunt. I do eat copious amounts of meat, though.

I won't be voting republican this year for various reasons. I definitely won't be voting democrat, either.

I don't really like any sports at all. Soccer and hockey are mildly fun to watch but I'm not 'in' to it at all. I hate NASCAR with a passion. I actually think football sounds like a fun game, but I refuse to watch it because the commercial breaks are so frequent.

I live in the south and in general I think it's the best part of the country to live, but some aspects of culture down here bug me, and I don't apologize for it.

I use linux and would say I understand more about computers than the average person.

obxned
October 2, 2007, 12:41 AM
1. I thought she was my cousin.

2. Whiskey is made out of corn, and what could be more healthful?

3. She outweighs me by 70 lbs, so I donít beat her, Ďcause it would only make her mad, and you will be in deep doo-doo if you ever call her ugly!

4. Nice truck, huh?

PS: I vote, pay taxes, and may have written the software you business depends upon.

Bazooka Joe71
October 2, 2007, 03:05 AM
PS: I vote, pay taxes, and may have written the software you business depends upon.


It obviously wasn't the grammar check.:neener:

:p

mrreynolds
October 2, 2007, 09:16 AM
Send them to my website.....smallarmz.info

DRZinn
October 2, 2007, 12:37 PM
It's faster to say how I do fit the stereotype:

I'm a white male.

That's it. (Though I'm looking for a good pickup.)

Camille Eonich
October 2, 2007, 02:54 PM
I am a 41 year old, white, professional, female with a BSBA in MIS who is currently a self-employed software engineer. I started shooting almost as soon as I could walk. My mom got me a bb gun when I was seven years old and no I'm not gay. I own as many if not more guns and knives than my husband does. :neener:


I am not affiliated with any party but I do vote the issues. I am prochoice and I don't give a hoot who marries who or what they do in the privacy of thier own homes. I am not religious and I don't drive a truck although my husband does. I carry concealed every single day and I have for many, many years.:what:

dodging230grainers
October 2, 2007, 03:18 PM
Lets see:

Jewish.
Currently 17 years old.
First person born on American soil on both sides of the family.
Well to do family and upbringing.
Didn't shoot a gun until I was 12.
Alcohol tastes horrible.
Bodybuilding is a huge hobby of mine.
Never hunted and never will.
No southern accent. (despite being raised in Houston)
Not a conservative/republican. (I'm liberetarian)
Drive an Acura, not a pickup.


Do I win?:D

Nathanael_Greene
October 2, 2007, 03:59 PM
I've found that the easiest way is for people to get to know me first, without firearms entering into the discussion.

Then, when the subject of guns comes up (and it always does), I offer to take newbies to the range. You'd be surprised how many people have taken me up on this. For a lot of people, personal experience with a firearm will get them to realize that they, too, could one day be gun owners.

One of us...one of us...one of us...

Juna
October 2, 2007, 04:16 PM
How do you change the stereotype? Well, I think Ghandhi said it best when he said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."

So, don't be the stereotyped firearm owner. Be yourself. Be whatever sex, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. you want to be, and be a law abiding firearm owner. However, if you want to truly change the stereotype, make it known to your friends that you shoot and are a firearms enthusiast--which typically works better after you know them a bit.

I've done this, and I'm in a field dominated by pretty much rabidly anti-gun individuals who base their stance on complete ignorance. Once they find out I shoot, they typically tell me how surprised they are and how they wouldn't have figured me for a "gun toter." Some then make erroneous assumptions about my political beliefs, which I politely correct when they come up in conversation.

In essence, be who you are, and don't be afraid to tell people that you shoot. Invite them to the range. I've invited many people from my work to the range, and many more have taken me up on it than I would have thought (over half). In fact, once I "outed" myself as a gun owner and shooter, many more people came out of the wood work and told me that they shoot, too. We're still in the minority at our place of work, but it feels good to thwart their negative stereotypes of firearm owners at work since I am viewed in high regard professionally.

Nothing debunks a stereotype more than innumerable counterexamples that hit close to home (your place of work, your neighborhood, etc.).

You could even mention that the last president of the NRA was a Harvard educated Jewish female attorney from San Francisco (Sandy Froman). That usually throws 'em for a loop since they think NRA = Charlton Heston and Tom Selleck (not that there's anything wrong with them, but it's great to make the anti-gunners' heads spin by debunking their stereotypes).

[FH]K96
October 2, 2007, 04:33 PM
Maybe one stereotype...

-not religious, from Jewish and Catholic parents
-biology and fine art degrees
-though i played linebacker in college I have no interest in spectator sports
-Independent w/ libertarian leaning (do not like this 2 party circus)
-not too into pickups, but love Broncos:D
-I drink within reason. Mostly beer... every once in a while a 40 of OE:p
-I have hunted before... tried bow fishing once (hard*)
-used to have a "liberal" view on gun ownership. With having dismay to our current political status I reread the BOR and constitution and it just simply clicked.
- there are reports that I chew when playing Company of heroes or World in Conflict;)

Templar223
October 2, 2007, 05:50 PM
...the stereotype is an inbred, sister loving, illiterate, drinking whiskey from a "xxx" jug, ugly, wife beating southerner named cleatus, who drives a pickup


The people who usually carry those sorts of bigotries are the big-city types who pride themselves - in their little minds - for being tolerant of diversity.

I prefer to use the pen to eviscerate them.

If one is articulate, one can convert the non-ideologues as logic and science will beat out fears and emotions more often than not.

For the ideologues, I don't waste my time or energy.

John

Autolycus
October 2, 2007, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Templar223: The people who usually carry those sorts of bigotries are the big-city types who pride themselves - in their little minds - for being tolerant of diversity. Ironically your stereotyping big-city types and saying they have little minds. Your insinuating that they are hypocrites for not being tolerant while your post is completely intolerant of them.

Good thinking, huh?

JWarren
October 2, 2007, 07:47 PM
Tecumseh wrote:

Quote:
Originally posted by Templar223: The people who usually carry those sorts of bigotries are the big-city types who pride themselves - in their little minds - for being tolerant of diversity.

Ironically your stereotyping big-city types and saying they have little minds. Your insinuating that they are hypocrites for not being tolerant while your post is completely intolerant of them.

Good thinking, huh?


Good catch, Tecumseh. But in all fairness, HE never claimed to be tolerant of diversity.

It doesn't diminish the irony, however.




As a personal editorial comment:

I do know what he is getting at-- and you probably do, too. Earlier in this thread I briefly mentioned my experiences as a rural southerner living in NYC. It IS typically those that push tolerance and diversity that are VERY quick to label anyone a racist, prejudice or whatever for not toeing their ideological line. Many commentators have called this the new Liberal Fascism. Its seems that Fascism isn't just for conservatives anymore.


-- John

xpun8
October 2, 2007, 08:15 PM
JWarren-
pretty much what I was thinking, glad you posted it first as I was thinking something along the lines of, he said "The people who usually carry those sorts of bigotries are the big-city types..." not big-city types are the ones that carry those sort of bigotries.
Heck, I drive a big truck, live in the 'burbs and shoot guns, most people at work know this, the ones that I don't work directly with assume I'm getting paid for my good looks, personally I think it's the toothless grin. :)

BridgeWalker
October 2, 2007, 08:48 PM
I recently "came out" as a gunowner to a bunch of hyper-liberal women. They were shocked. I think I blew a few of their ideas about gunowners.

A lot of the mothes I run intoare hyper-liberal because we are somewhat natural-living oriented. Although I drive a Jeep (14 years old; what I burn in gas, I saved in manufacturing costs), we try to get local produce and some items we prefer to get organic. Our daughter was born at home because we object to the hyper-medicalized birth culture in the US (also, it just works better at home). I'm still nursing out 16 month old daughter and probably will until she's about 2-1/2 years old. We practice gentle discipline--which means no hitting and no yelling, among other things. We're pretty well-described in the book _Crunchy Cons_, although do not remember the author atm.

This means that most of our more mainstream gun-owning relatives think we are hyper-liberal freaks and most of the people we know from parenting-related things think we are hyper-redneck freaks. The liberals think we're barely human and the conservatives think I'm a hyper-feminist <censored>. It gets weird sometimes.

But we're just us. I guess I'm a feminist in that I want to be treated like a person, whether in the classroom or on the job, at the range, or wherever I happen to be nursing my daughter--which I do in public and without shame. I guess I'm a conservative in that I am religious (Catholic, formerly [and sorta still] Jewish). I am vehemently anti-abortion. I'm a law student. I don't care who sleeps with who, but I think culture should be more than sexuality-based commonalities. I guess I'm a liberal in that I don't think all entitlement-type programs are bad, something is needed to balance big business.

I've been eyeing this thread for a few days now and now I'm saying my say, finally. Yeah, there's diversity among gun-owners. I think there would be more gender diversity if gun people wouldn't be so weird about women shooters. What do I do about the stereotypes? I live my life and I don't hide that I love shotgunning and am getting to like other forms of shooting.

Now that I got that off my chest, I'm gonna go clean my rifle. All by myself, without my husband's help. I didn't even bring him along when I bought it. Weird, I know.

elkhuntingfool
October 2, 2007, 08:54 PM
We all know the stereotype is an inbred, sister loving, illiterate, drinking whiskey from a "xxx" jug, ugly, wife beating southerner named cleatus, who drives a pickup

Never once heard a gun lover described like that.

Me - I'm from Utah - handed a gun at birth and hunter's orange.

I could care less about the stereotype - just proves ignorance on their part in many different ways.

As for me - I don't flaunt my passion for guns and hunting. People know I hunt - big deal. I don't have guns in my rear windows and I don't wear camo every other day. Nor do I brag about what I've killed or witnessed someone killing. In fact, I don't even mention it. Someone asks how the hunting went - it was fun. End of story.

JWarren
October 2, 2007, 08:54 PM
I think there would be more gender diversity if gun people wouldn't be so weird about women shooters.

I have just the opposite problem. I can't seem to get the women in my life (wife, sister, mother) to actually GO shooting with me. Oh, they are shooters (to a degree) and all hunt (wife goes with me), but none are big on recreational shooting.

Help!

-- John

Griff
October 2, 2007, 09:03 PM
My Jeep's back window says it for me: I have a Grateful Dead sticker (Steal Your Face) right next to my NRA, Hell on Wheels, and NC Sherriff's Association Contibuting Member Gold emblems.

These mixed messages must be working. We took 3 antis to the range last weekend. 2 asked to come back. The third was too embarassed to do so, but we're patient.

Pigspitter
October 2, 2007, 09:14 PM
I'm the number 9 student in my class.
And I'm on the debate and academic bowl teams.

DontBurnMyFlag
October 2, 2007, 09:21 PM
I drive a Volvo...

Enough said. :neener:

BridgeWalker
October 2, 2007, 09:27 PM
I have a Grateful Dead sticker (Steal Your Face) right next to my NRA

Awesome! No NRA stickers here yet, a little worried about break-ins since my locks don't actually work, but wish I had an NRA sticker to match my SYF!

xpun8
October 2, 2007, 09:34 PM
DontBurnMyFlag
I drive a Volvo...

Now there's a stereotype...Volvo drivers are "leftwing fanaticals". While diving one of the guys drove a Volvo with an NRA sticker and a Rush license plate frame. A guy I work/shoot with drives a cracker box on wheels (Scion), in the back window he has "Gun control-use two hands" and Bush '04.

Thain
October 2, 2007, 10:02 PM
Let's see... I've always liked guns in a sort of "Those Are Cool" scifi nerd way, but never actualy handled a firearm or went shooting until my wife took me to the range with her and my cousin-in-law (female). She was so proud of her "little hubby" :rolleyes: :)

I'm a geek in the most classic sense of the word. Star Trek, Star Wars, comic books, video games, Dungeons & Dragons... Lots, and lots of D&D in fact.

I'm lower middle class, white, urban, and male... But I work in a (para)professional enviroment, attend college and attended university. I'm Catholic, but I'm perfectly okay with the LBGT folks around here, I'm not a racist, sexist, or anything else-ist... I've never smoked, don't drink much, and am... in general, pretty freakin' boring.

Like my wife, Delta9, I'm into the whole natural living / natural family bit. I'm an attached dad, and love to walk around town wearing my daughter in a sling, changing diappers, and hangng out just daddy and toddler. All the Crunchy Con stuff she mention...

I don't like NASCAR, or really anything automotive. I'm not interesting in hunting, despite my growing collection of guns. I'm in the Bill Engval camp when it comes to the subject: "Its really early, really cold, and I don't want to go." I look forward to being a "Deer Widower" when my wife heads out to go bag herself a buck, however.

So, yeah, I guess I break the sterotype of the typical gunowner from both sides. The non-gunners are shocked that I'm not Cletus the Yokel, and the gunners are shocked that I'm neither a hunter nor a moonbat liberal.

Oh, and before anyone asks, there is no way in heck delta9 would ever use the phrase "little hubby," that was a not-so-subtle poke in the ribs to all the guys around here who can't get "little wifey" to get into their hobbies. I can't get my wife to play D&D, and she can't get me into collecting fine Gerber knives... Somehow we make it work.

gloucestergarand
October 2, 2007, 10:21 PM
Sittin' here on the deck, wearin' my favorite old Birkenstocks, a Rolex and a Garand Collector's Association sweatshirt, enjoying the "stereotype gun owner" thread.... The poodle is sleeping nearby, the cat is sitting on the hot tub cover. Volvo and a pickup are in the garage. Graduate of a historically black college, with a Masters many years later in Hospital Administration. My daggone good lookin' Permanent Resident Alien wife is by my side. 20 years flying helicopters in the Army and two fun filled times in Mosul and in Balad. Hard to figure out, eh? Come around uninvited, and that Swedish made Mossy 500 is likely to bark, or perhaps a CZ or Walther or just a plain ol' Smith. I vote and it won't be for Mrs. Bill Clinton, B. Hussein Obama, Breck Girl or the other likeable Demonrats, nor will it be for a RINO. Have a terrible case of Garanditis though....

skeeter1
October 2, 2007, 11:34 PM
I don't know that I fit into any mold very well. I tend to vote rather independantly, although I lean toward the left more often. I'm a Christian, but seldom attend church except for weddings and funerals. have two college degrees (Biology and Medical Technology) and am a registered member of the American Society of Clinical Pathologists). All of which is my long-winded way of saying, I'm just like everyone else out here. I've been shooting for 50 years, and that's my favorite sport. Hunting is a close second, and maybe when I'm done with the cancer treatments I'll be back in the field again. Watch out squirrels! I tried my hand at golf, but I was never very good at it. Put a firearm in my hand (handgun, rifle, shotgun) and I do better than most. And more importantly, shooting is what I enjoy most.

Joshua C
October 2, 2007, 11:49 PM
I'm not interesting in hunting, despite my growing collection of guns. I'm in the Bill Engval camp when it comes to the subject: "Its really early, really cold, and I don't want to go."

*cough* Ron White.

anygunanywhere
October 3, 2007, 12:55 AM
American by birth, Texan by the grace of God.

Anygunanywhere

dakid2
October 3, 2007, 05:35 PM
Not talk about zombies

LeafsFan
October 3, 2007, 09:17 PM
I'm Canadian. :D

Also, while I tend to stand policitally slightly to the left of centre I feel like I have as much in common with moderate Republicans as I do with further-left Democrats.

Thus I can smoothly transition between both groups and fit in, allowing me to speak sense to everyone. :p

So I often end up in converstations with my wife's vehemently anti-gun university collegues, agreeing with much of their opinion on various political/cultural/social issues, etc.

But when the the 2nd amendment inevitably comes up they assume I agree with their negative opinions on that too.

I don't.

And after a non-heated, logical discussion about my stance, they say things like:

"Wow, so you're a gun owner? But you're so normal. I always thought gun owners were...etc."

spentbrass
October 3, 2007, 11:13 PM
How about this non-stereotype,
Buddhist, lesbian, anti-war, anti-Bush, Subaru driving, organic eating, Whole Foods shopping, screaming liberal tree hugger, gun owner!

ironvic
October 3, 2007, 11:51 PM
I am an ambulance man, ex-student nurse, current student in fisheries technology going for an AA degree; hate killing salmon for their eggs and milt, love propagating the species and holding the fish in my arms. I shoot whatever suits my fancy.

I read gun mags and am bored with all the 1911 cover photos and tactical ads. My favorite book is "Steaming to Bamboola" and I read a lot of sci-fi. I build detailed ship models from scratch and never met a telescope I didn't like.

I am American who loves our patriot founding fathers (although some would try to label me "Mexican American"). I'm a Republican who hates where the party is going and an ex-Democrat who hates where the party is going.

I have a black and tan chihuahua who rides on my shoulder in the pickup truck and I scratch Sparky's kittycat belly. I kayak in Puget Sound's northern reaches and shoot ships on film with my trusty Nikon. I reload .38s, .357s, .45 ACPs and 9mm. My shotgun is an old friend. I can hit the side of a barn. My wife thinks I have too many guns...

I am an American shooter.

Bazooka Joe71
October 3, 2007, 11:56 PM
spentbrass,

Buddhist, lesbian, anti-war, anti-Bush, Subaru driving, organic eating, Whole Foods shopping, screaming liberal tree hugger, gun owner!

You just won.:)

spentbrass
October 4, 2007, 12:40 AM
spentbrass,


Quote:
Buddhist, lesbian, anti-war, anti-Bush, Subaru driving, organic eating, Whole Foods shopping, screaming liberal tree hugger, gun owner!

You just won.

Thank you, thank you, (bowing). My secret? I just like guns! :D

yesit'sloaded
October 4, 2007, 02:19 AM
I'm a Christian guy in the south with an ethnically Jewish girlfriend, Libertarian, engineering student, I don't own a pair of overalls, and I don't have a dog.

Dr. Peter Venkman
October 4, 2007, 02:26 AM
I can see my feet when I am standing and look down.

ReadyontheRight
October 4, 2007, 02:44 AM
How do you break the stereotype of gun owners?

Go out shooting a lot, join the NRA and invite friends to go shooting. A Trap shooting league is not a whole lot different that a golf or bowling league...other than being WAY MORE FUN!!!

And please join the Republican Party. It needs a dose of freedom-loving Americans.

Dr. Peter Venkman
October 4, 2007, 02:31 PM
And please join the Republican Party. It needs a dose of freedom-loving Americans.

Republican party =/= freedom loving Americans. :rolleyes:

trueblue1776
October 4, 2007, 03:16 PM
Dr. V-
Republican party =/= freedom loving Americans

agreed, but..

Democratic party =/= freedom loving Americans

gym
February 8, 2008, 12:58 AM
Never feel it is your job to represent an entire group of society. No need to justify your thoughts to anyone, unless you are in some sort of therapy, and have feelings that you can't explain.

MilsurpShooter
February 8, 2008, 10:25 AM
Usual Dress:
Bates Boots 8 tactical sport
Tan slacks
Button down shirt
Bomber jacket with flap (not the furlined collar one lol)

I drive a semi(new) Hyundai Sonata. I listen to Beethoven, Bach and Mozart on occasion. While I enjoy Jack Daniels I do drink Cognac, Wine or Brandy when the urge hits me. I smoke a specific brand of cigar. I've spoken at two area colleges on WWI Aerial warfare. I've volunteered for a few candidates locally during the elections. Neighbors know and have called me at all hours, either for a leaky pipe or to help with groceries, I've consulted with a few authors and illustrators on the proper operation and action of a firearm. The range officers at the range I visit often reffer surplus shooters to me for advice and questions.

I'll be 23 at the end of this month so I like to think I'm doing pretty well in busting the stereotype lol

DaveBeal
February 8, 2008, 10:56 AM
Registered Democrat, agnostic, MS in electrical engineering. And I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who drives to the range in a Toyota Prius with a National Public Radio license plate frame.

Wopasaurus
February 8, 2008, 11:34 AM
Against the stereotype:
Have a college degree.
Drive a Honda Civic and own 2 Cats
Dress very well, not suit and ties, but I look damn good.
Play xBox live, and Wii
I listen to mostly Punkrock and old 80's Hardcore
Own Evil Dead action figures, as well as Star Wars action figures
Have a lot of well done tattoos, and a full sleeve. None of them include a tweetie bird, taz, tribal, or anything whack.

For the Stereotype
I own "Over The Top" on DVD
I love 80's metal, i.e. Iron Maiden
I watch Walker:Texas Ranger when it's on

MarcusWendt
February 8, 2008, 12:13 PM
After going to the last gun show, my advice would be to shower.

silverlance
February 8, 2008, 12:30 PM
Huh.
I'm an ABC (american born chinese) aspiring to be a good ol' southern boy. The only problem is that I'm trying to do it without any family models to base off of, so my interpretation is a little wierd at times.

* I like Country Music, and consider country music to be intensely profound
* I am woefully myopic
* I'm dating a Bulgarian.
* I enjoy vegetables (when cooked well) much more than meat
* Not only I am fond of guns, I help manufacture battle rifles and sell them to fine folks all over the country.

jr4521
February 21, 2008, 06:15 PM
I seem pretty stereotypical, I spent 8 years in the USMC infantry, Im from Florida, drive a Hemi Dodge, Watch NASCAR, have a degree from Florida State, have all my teeth, eat well, dont smoke, carry a 3 inch 44 mag Smith everywhere I go. Looking for a woman with like tastes, having hard time finding!

jhansman
February 21, 2008, 10:44 PM
Yikes, where did all these closet liberals come from? :p

OK, I'll play:

I'm a registered Democrat (but think the party is full of wimps)
I don't hunt
I don't drink
I drive a 4 cyl. import
I believe people are more important than ideas, principles, rules, or beliefs
I don't think everyone has a right to own a firearm
I believe the state has the right to make reasonable laws governing gun ownership
I dress like a middle-class white man (which is what I am)
I don't think Hillary Clinton is the devil incarnate (but I do find her repulsive)
I have a B.A. in history and can discuss a good many subject intelligently

And most importantly......

I LOVE TO SHOOT! :D

Defensory
February 21, 2008, 11:09 PM
If you happen to run into an anti-gun individual somewhere and a debate ensues, remain polite and calm. Avoid personal attacks, ridicule etc. Present hard, documentable facts. Answer all the objections they have the best you can. If they're adamant and the conversation is going nowhere, leave on a friendly note.

Rachen
February 21, 2008, 11:15 PM
I

I am Chinese.
I am studying to become a History Professor, as well as a degree in medicine, western and Oriental.
I am a devout lifetime Republican, as well as a devout supporter of environmental conservation.
I am a member of the National Rifle Association.
I support the Confederacy just as much as I support the People's Republic of China, my home.
I am a true Conservative, therefore, I am anti-war(of conquest and domination), and anti-imperialist.
I believe that Education is the MOST important thing to ensure the survival of our world, therefore, I shall devote my whole life to education.
I am an author and I am currently working on a novel about the great Taiping Rebellion in 19th century China.
I AM A GUN OWNER MOST OF ALL!
AND I DO FLY CONFEDERATE FLAGS FROM TIME TO TIME.
I prefer grape wine over hard liquor. Ice cold beer in the summer.
I also am a practicioner of the Wushu Martial Arts.
I believe in lifelong love and commitment and I am looking for someone to spend the rest of my life with. I don't care what race she is. Commitment is what I look for in a soulmate.

HEROES
Dr. Ron Paul
Dr. Sun Zhongsang (Sun Yatsen)
General Stonewall Jackson
General Robert E. Lee
General Zhu De
General Peng Dehuai
Comrade Mao Zedong
Comrade Deng Xiaoping
Comrade Jiang Zemin and Comrade Hu Jintao
Ling Jien-Fong (Hero of the Anti-Japanese War)
President Thomas Jefferson
President George Washington
President Ronald Reagan

AND FINALLY, LET US COMPOSE THIS LIST AND POST IT UP FOR ALL THE STEREOTYPE-MONGERS AND ARMCHAIR WARRIORS TO SEE WHAT WE REALLY ARE

DRZinn
February 21, 2008, 11:18 PM
Ron Paul AND Mao are your heroes? How is that even possible?

RancidSumo
February 21, 2008, 11:40 PM
Lets see,
16yo white male
4.0 GPA
Like Golf
Like XBOX Live
Like video games in general
Like D&D but can't find anyone to play
Read ALOT, everything from science fiction to Ayn Rand to Stephen King and everything in between
HATE NASCAR (it is the most retarded thing on TV)
Shoot alot
like knives
Have all my teeth

And finally, what is a libertarian?

Moonclip
February 22, 2008, 08:31 AM
Fit some stereotypes, not others. For one, I really don't like whisky though Crown Royal will do!

A big one is I'm not white though some polls/surveys claim that I am. I suppose I am mostly genetically white(Mexican,some Irish/Spanish thrown in)I have a Spanish surname.

Also I am fairly young, I always stereotype serious gun owners as old white males, we do have to remember the country is 70% white or so so most groups of people are going to reflect this.

I am fairly conservative though and pilot both a motorcycle and a pickup.

I've always found someone of my age. ethnic background, that is so serious in to shooting and owns as many guns as I do to be a rarity though.

I dislike country music generally though and actually listen to quite a bit of rap which I find rare when music comes up on these type sites. I'm not married to my cousin either though my 2nd cousin is quite pretty:) I have no 1st cousins(hows that for breaking stereotypes, all people like me are suppose to be Catholics with huge families)no aunts or uncles except my moms 1/2 sister. Me and my sister have no children either.

Stereotyes are just that, stereotypes, I find them true a huge percent of the time but it's unfair to paint all with that brush. Remember also some stereotypes are positive, I can think of a few I'd like to be labled with.

AirForceShooter
February 22, 2008, 09:15 AM
Stop hiding like you're a pervert.
You're a normal person that your friends like.
Let them see that a gun owner is not some distant throwback.

AFS

Phil DeGraves
February 22, 2008, 09:17 AM
"Wow, so you're a gun owner? But you're so normal. I always thought gun owners were...etc."

Just goes to show that the KKK, rednecks and skinheads don't have a monopoly on prejudice and intolerance.

Lamb of Gun
February 22, 2008, 09:49 AM
I wear tight Levi's
I put my keys on my belt loop
I have long hair that almost covers one of my eyes
I'm a metal head
I'm an extreme music freak and it's all I care about
I'm a ridiculous geek
I can type fast
I have all my teeth
I do not own a cargo vest
I share both Rep. and Dem. views
I do own a truck but it's a '02 2WD s10
I rarely drink (but it's Pabst so I guess it counts against me)
I play video games CONSTANTLY
I'm 22

I do own and wear a militia hat. But I don't think it's that big of a deal.

bogie
February 22, 2008, 11:28 AM
I'm 47
Straight, but I've got gay friends
I can be a pervert if that's what the lady likes
I can also be a throwback
I wear comfy clothes
4 cyl car, 3/4 ton van and trailer - vehicles are transportation, not freudian
I don't ride motorcycles anymore
Jazz, blues, bluegrass, dead, some country, some rock, some funk
Tubes and big solid state amps and magneplanars
I can type faster
I don't have all my teeth - try catching a football with your mouth sometime
I own a leather vest
My politics pretty much run the gamut
Confederate flags offend me
I used to own a truck. It was painted camouflage where it wasn't covered with bumper stickers
I like cold beer
I hate video games
I think that much of today's youth suffers from television-induced ADHD.
I can outshoot most, if not all, of you on a bench for pure accuracy
I don't put on a hat, and think I'm whatever it says on the front

I can dig the chairman... SOB knew POWER... How to mold it, how to aim it, and how to use it. And when not to.

UKTN
February 22, 2008, 11:54 AM
How does a gray haired English man fit in with the stereotype?

bogie
February 22, 2008, 12:15 PM
Well, we do occasionally need someone to brew up...

Conqueror
February 22, 2008, 12:34 PM
I'm white and southern. That's where my sterotyping ends.

I am Jewish, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and pro-legalization of drugs. I scored a 1590 on the SAT, was a National Merit Scholar, and attended Vanderbilt University on a scholarship. While there I was president of 3 major community service organizations, served on student government, and served in several honor societies. I graduated magna cum laude in 3 years with honors in my major, and now am at a top-20 medical school planning on a career in pediatric surgery. I am fluent in Spanish and volunteer at free clinics.

And despite all those things, I bought my first long gun at 18, my first handgun at 21, and acquired my first NFA stamps at 22. I've been shooting since I was eight, and I spend my off-weekends teaching other medical students how to safely handle and shoot firearms.

White Horseradish
February 22, 2008, 02:06 PM
I drive a Volvo. A 1988 240 Wagon, even. I felt a bit weird after I drove it to a whole food co-op, but I think having a big black handgun on my belt compensated some of the hippie factor. :)

I have an urge to install a gun rack in the Volvo. Is that wrong?

I fit some stereotypes, but not ones you'd expect. I live in a fairly large city, but I have a non-running car in the driveway, a shotgun, a pair of overalls and a straw hat.

fearless leader
February 22, 2008, 02:37 PM
Quote: white, uneducated, poor, slob with a Confederate flag in his pickup truck plastered with NASCAR stickers and a bed full of empty beer cans.

I went to college and I hate NASCAR.

You forgot to mention the still and the bull dogs.


Why would I want to break anyone's precieved stereotype? A stereotype is THEIR problem, not mine.

I'm just me. In the non-government school I attended, they crowbarred it into my Cromagnon Cranium that a man is either an honorable man, or he is not. He alone, makes the decision. I chose to be an honorable man.
Anyone elses perception of me is their problem for pre-judging me.

fearless leader
February 22, 2008, 02:48 PM
Quote: Democratic party =/= freedom loving Americans

Last time I looked, it was Democratic party=gun bans

Rachen
February 22, 2008, 03:01 PM
Quote: Democratic party =/= freedom loving Americans

Last time I looked, it was Democratic party=gun bans


I was going to say the same EXACT thing.:)

mokin
February 22, 2008, 03:34 PM
What a cool thread. I'm always amazed at the diversity of people I run into at the local range. I've talked to a couple of doctors, software engineering seems to be a popular occupation and I once met a lawyer who was sighting in a rifle he recieved as part of an estate settlement. There are also a lot of retirees and private business owners. I think this thread demonstrates that diversity that quite well.

What I feel I do mostly to break the stereotype of a gun owner is that I talk to my co-workers (many of whom consider themselves "progressives") about shooting like I do it as an everyday kind of thing. They know that I'm educated (two BAs), have a wife and a daughter, I drink very little and many have seen me wearing a kilt so it sort of rocks thier preconcieved notions of what gun owners are like.

While I try not create stereotypes of people myself antis seem to be much more "stereotypical" in thier backgrounds, educations and political orientation than many of the gun owners I've met.

Fish Miner
February 22, 2008, 03:42 PM
I drive a truck and I have a "Florida Terrorist Hunting Permit" on the bumper.
OTher then that I am pretty unassuming, I am agnostic, I love astronomy and gardening.

I love being an american and love being free to do whatever I want.

stubob2517
February 22, 2008, 03:50 PM
I'm 47
I'm a white male
I believe in a supreme being, but not organized religion
I'm straight and I don't care if you're gay--just don't try to pick me up
I have a BS
I will have my MS in Strategic Intelligence by the end of the year
I would rather watch a cricket match than Nascar, and I don't like cricket
I hunt; rifle, shotgun, compound bow and stick and string
I'd rather fly-fish than hunt
I own a big gas-guzzling 4x4 F-150, but drive a Corolla to save on gas
Global warming does exist, but is naturally occuring
Yes, I drink beer. The cheapest beer I can find. I'm a big fan of the Beast Light
I scored high enough to join Mensa when I was 15
I have 23 different single malts in my pub in the garage
I dip Skoal, but would rather smoke a Cuban cigar
I read at least two and sometimes four books a month; all nonfiction
I'm an Independent voter. I vote for the person, not the party.

BruceRDucer
February 22, 2008, 03:56 PM
How do we break the STEREOTYPE? That would be most difficult, and here's exactly why.

Stereotypes are most commonly formed in TV and Movies, by script writers who are biased.

Movies & TV dramas, action or human interest stories, rely upon "creating tension" in a story between people, and about people.

Common stereotypes (which are unreal and offensive to me) go along these lines.

RELIGIOUS: people of faith are usually depicted as rural and uneducated, down-homey types that are more superstitious (or stupid-stitious) than rational, logical, or philosophical. In fact, many religious people are well read, self-educated, and clear on basic morality, but you won't see that in modern movies.

GUN-OWNERS: For Hollywood, if you own a gun, you are something of the same stereotype as above. You are a hunter, and if a hunter, you are uneducated and like to shoot indicscriminately in the woods. The term Redneck most likely would fit. Worse, the Redneck isn't a guy with sense, and he is usually the prejudiced person, hating every non-Anglo, hating all the Jews, hating all the Catholics, etc, etc, etc.

Even though the people in USA are more of a melting pot, and less prejudiced against ethnic, racial, and religious groups, Hollywood still characterizes Americans in the worst light.

HOW DO WE CHANGE THIS?

Fight fire with fire, by creating production companies which produce entertaining movies in a realistic light. The people can be portrayed as stronger patriots, wiser in human nature, more aware of history. Such movies could show gun owndership and gun-knowledge in a positive and defensive role.

But it will take decades to reverse the patterns of ignorant and biased stereotyping, and frankly, we don't have the luxury.

Think about it. Even Bikers or just Motorcycle Enthusiasts have "Orange County Choppers" to popularize their image.

All we got is the occasional show on cable TV on history of the Gun or something.

WayneConrad
February 22, 2008, 03:58 PM
Didn't even own a gun until after age 40.
Classical, progressive rock, latin, jazz, blues, old-school country, bluegrass.
Blue jeans, cowboy hat
Honda Accord, not a pickup truck
Computer programmer
Cats

My favorite hobby is beating prejudice over the head with evidence.

arctictom
February 22, 2008, 06:36 PM
I am an AIP er ( Alaskan Independence Party ).
A Grandfather.
I am 56 years old and have a BA in business.
I dislike being called an America.
I like dogs and cats.
I think the US government is corrupt and incompetent.
Like pretty much every one I meet, my friends range from friends of animals folks to trappers, about 1/3 of my friends are people of color , and none are invisible.
I don't watch any sports , or Television for that matter.
I curl , and snowmachine in the winter, Fish (prefer fly fishing) ,hunt and hike in the summer.
I run my own business and mind my own business.
I have a large library and read about 1 book a week.
I drink wine mostly , and prefer Sauvignon blanc .

I am surprised we all get along as well as we do, fundamentally our singular interest in firearms and some civility keeps this group interested and together. Which reminds me: An armed society is a polite society

marksman13
February 22, 2008, 06:49 PM
Well, I guess I'm gonna $%#& the mold all up.
I'm southern.
I'm Baptist.
I don't agree with gay marriage.
I don't agree with abortion.
I'm mostly a Republican, but not really sure what a Reublican is any more.
I'm white.
I'm male.
I've never hit a woman or kicked a dog.
I drive a 4 wheel drive truck, but it was made by a Japanese company.
I'm not racist.
I'm a veteran.
I'm working on a bachelor's degree in public relations.
I like to write, mostly poetry and short stories.
I don't enjoy reading unless its gun, hunting or war related.
I don't drink much but when I do it's usually Maker's Mark or an import beer.
I like to hunt and fish.
I love college football, but I'm not so crazy about pro football.
I'm proud to be an American, but realize that America ain't what it used to be.

Apply that to your mold and let me know how it works out for ya.

yhtomit
February 22, 2008, 07:09 PM
Part of the propoganda is that gun control is a "leftist thing." Gun control is an authoritarian thing.

I have really enjoyed reading through this thread (though I haven't gotten to every post), but that bit quoted above is the one thing I'd like to emphasize. Calling (or thinking of) "gun control" -- as in the tyrannical variety, not "aiming straight" -- as being the product of so-called leftist politics, and assuming that those who use "leftist" as a pejorative will necessarily be pro-gun, or at least in any way that matters, is dangerous.

And wrt the original topic, evidently I don't fit the stereotype very well, because most people seem very surprised I'm interested in guns. More than one has said (paraphrased, but not much): "But you don't seem violent at all!" (Which means a) they need to adjust their stereotypes and b) they have not seen me looking for a badly labeled road at night ;))

timothy

brlau
February 22, 2008, 08:58 PM
I'm:

Asian,
Do not smoke or drink,
Don't watch much T.V. - so no NASCAR, football, any ESPN,
Have a Bachelors and Masters in Mechanical Engineering,
Don't wear wifebeaters nor do I beat my wife,
Don't really practice any religion, but am not bothered by others that do either,
Am not offended by gay or lesbian people,
Don't hunt but am not bothered by others that do either,
Like to tinker around my yard gardening, growing herbs, vegetables,
Like to read,
Am able to build my own computers and set up a simple home network with a router,
Like to have well-maintained cars that don't sit and sprout grass :D.

sprithitler
February 22, 2008, 09:41 PM
How do i break the gunowner stereotype?
- My IQ is rated in the top 5% (though not the top 2%, i failed the MENSA entrance test.)
- I dont own, nor have i ever owned a pickup truck.
- I drive a tiny French convertible (Peugeot 205 CJ -1989)
- I dont own a Harley (though i do own two Yamaha 750s)
- I dont enjoy watching or participating in sports (other than shooting)
- I am quite literate and read 20-50 books a year, mostly sci-fi.
- I own no porn.
- Though i have many prejudices, i strive to not be ruled or limited by them.
- I am quite fluent in one foreign language and can make myself understood in one more.
- I have some University education.
- I am in many ways a Geek (i am into RPGs, not D&D though).
- I Actually dont own a firearm (but i am beginning the process to aquire one or seven)
- I do not hunt (though i plant to start hunting)

How do i fit the stereotypes?
- I am a White Christian Straight Male.
- Some prejudiced people consider me overweight.
- I am Usually dressed rather in what was clean at the moment, than in good taste.
- I own four cars, none of them newer than nineteen years, only three of them roadworthy and at least two of them the European rednecks equivalent of a Rusty Banged up F150 Truck.
- I like big dogs (though i have only ever owned small dogs).
- My hairstyle is either Shaved or (presently) Shaved nine months ago.
- I have actually eaten roadkill (Hey, shame to waste a nice deer just because you happened to hit it with 2500 kilograms of Mercedes instead of with 12 gauge buckshot)

bluestarlizzard
February 22, 2008, 10:13 PM
well, the obvious is that i am female and younger (24). I'm also agnostic, pro-life and i support the LBGTT community. i have some college education. i read for fun. in my life there is a diffrence between the movies and the theater. for example the theater is were you go to see opera, and the movies is were you go to see stuff produced by hollyweird. i can quote shakespeare. i don't hunt and i consider watching NASCAR in the same mindset that i consider going to the dentist and almost as bad as watching golf. oh, and i listin to rock.
i do fit the 'sterotype' in that i'm white, southern, libertarian and i listin to bluegrass.

ptmmatssc
February 22, 2008, 11:12 PM
Around my parts a stereotypical gun owner is usually your neighbor . It's harder to find a non gun owning home than a gun owning home . I myself am kind of an odd mix of sorts . I'm tattooed neck to wrist and generally go several days without shaving (biker? ) I live in the sticks , drive a pickup , and hunt my land to fill the freezer(hick,hillbilly,redneck?) I do charity work and support causes that help the needy/poor (liberal?) I strongly support restrictions on gov and believe gov has no right to interfere with personal liberty or choices . (conservative? )

I have a fairly broad background , including being a vet , managing warehouses , business owner , etc etc .

Now , this is what's funny about stereotypes . Last summer I happened to be at a local fruit/veggie stand picking up pumpkins for my daughter . Was wearing a tank top and OCing an XD45 .
Just as I walked into the small outbuilding to pay for my goods , a car rolled up with Mass plates . i proceeded to go to the cash box to pay and make change ( it's an honor box , no vendor present) .
As the couple got out and approached the outbuilding they saw me , my tattooes, and my gun and did an about face .
Within 5 minutes the local PD showed up with the mass couple in tow .
After explaining to the couple that I was not robbing the place , and that in fact , it is standard operating procedure to pay and make your own change .And that it is legal to OC , which didn't matter since I have a concealed permit . I could literally see their jaws drop .

Apparently , what is considered "normal" here in my area is not in theres . I can still hear them mumbling about how it's just crazy to have an unattended cash box and people just walking around armed .

Kinda odd . I'm 40 and that cash box has been put out ever since I can remember , yet no one has ever stolen the money . And somehow , with open carry being legal , and people exercising that right , not one person has been shot in anger or over an argument (no blood in the streets) . Oddest of all is that the guy that "looked" like he would be a "criminal type " there to rob the place (me) , was actually the exact opposite of what their minds had preconceived a criminal would look like .

Makes one wonder what opportunities people have passed up simply because they have preconceived notions of what a "type " of person looks like or how/where they live and how they make their living .

My idea of "breaking the stereotype" is simply a handshake and a conversation . happens to also be how I changed ny mind on the "liberal" stereotype that I held for a long time .

mudriver
February 22, 2008, 11:30 PM
I about half fit the stereotype I think (mostly because of my wife)

Harvard MBA
White collar exec
Democrat
Drive an import car
Drink Beamish beer
Like to volunteer
Big into conservation
Not a fan of war
Hate NASCAR
Drink mostly fine wine

But
Wife has rotweiller
Wife has SUV
White and Christian
Live in country
Like to hunt
Like to ride motorcycles (not Harleys)
Own lots of guns, load lots of ammo and shoot as much as I can.

Detritus
February 23, 2008, 12:19 AM
I'm
literate
intelligent
open minded
My pickup is well maintained, and the only things in the bed (and out of sight under a camper top) are the spare and a set of jumper cables.
and i come from a upper middle class family,

But to look at me though, i strike most as the stereotypical "bubba". big, burly, round faced, white dude, that would look perfectly at home in a pair of overalls. which by the way i haven't worn since i was almost too young to remember it.

Elm Creek Smith
February 23, 2008, 04:01 AM
White, middle-aged (Over what hill? I don't remember a hill!), conservative/libertarian, Christian/Diest, history/political science, retired Army combat arms officer, married man (34 years to the same woman). I'm from Oklahoma, and the only flag I fly is Old Glory.

I'm on my second Chevy pickup, but I have 125cc Taiwanese motor scooter that gets 100 mpg. My wife drives my old PT Cruiser since she succeeded in keeping me from putting a supercharger (not a turbo) on it.

At age 10 I received and still own my first gun, a single shot .22 rifle. I fed my family with that and a shotgun when we were all much younger. I don't have time to hunt now. Hunters and fishermen are the ultimate environmentalists.

I carry concealed revolvers (usually 2). I gotta get an SKS, a Savage Scout rifle, and a Ruger Mini 14 in 6.8 SPC.

Sourmash makes the best whiskey. Until I tasted Sam Adams, I never had an American beer worth the name. Beer doesn't necessarily have to be cold, or even chilled. (Too much time in Germany?) I like white wine. (Prefer German spatleses.)

I have more Diana Krall and Frank Sinatra on my Ipod Shuffle than Roy Rogers or Carlos Santana.

Have raced sports cars and dragsters, but love NASCAR.

Private pilot now looking to add seaplane rating to the ticket or just put floats on my ultralight.

I love sailboats. My grandson and I are building a wooden sailing dinghy in the garage.

Welcome to the United States if you came legally; now, speak English. What don't you understand about the words illegal aliens?

ECS

Stereotype? Sure, why not.

Brian Dale
February 23, 2008, 04:35 AM
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nyggis
February 23, 2008, 05:18 AM
I am 29 years old and live in a town in northern Sweden.

I live in a small, clean, well organised apartment with a lot of plants and a small library. I hate detective novels, but love to read history related stuff, science fiction, philosophy and literature that is different and intelligently written...

I have a university degree.

I donīt smoke but I drink in a disciplined manner.. Only high quality beer and fine wine. Often to complete a nice meal with my girlfriend (not related).

I do a lot of physical fitness (running, road racing cycling and weight lifting) to keep in shape. Also love to be out in nature hiking, fishing, and a little hunting. I always fish according to catch and release, since I have a hard time killing them... :o

I love cats, but donīt get along with dogs.

I drive a Mercedes 200 from -91, but is saving up to a SLK 230K -98 which Iīm planning to buy this summer. (The closest you get to a road racer bike with a car...)

I think everyone should be free to pursue happiness in the way they choose.

I have nothing against homosexuals, some of my friends are.

Well, now I canīt sit inside anymore... Nice weather outside...

Have a great day, everyone!!!

TG13
February 23, 2008, 05:32 AM
the stereotype i see for gun owners is not one of the redneck.. but, more of the wannabe pseudo-military type and the "tacticool" mall ninja type..

there are parallels between bigotry and racism, and the plight of gun ownership in America, right now.. i think that some people who are for disarmament have successfully projected stereotypes on gun owners.. not to mention, the soft headed gun owners that assume those stereotypes for fashion and to "fit in"..

i think there is such a wide cross-section of gun owning people that there is really no way, in truth, to stereotypify "a typical gun owner in America"..


it's true..

ignorance breeds hatred..

mace85
February 24, 2008, 06:50 PM
Ok...here we go..

White
Male
23 y.o.a.
Straight, enganged, don't beat her.
Pro gay marriage/adoption.
Pro-Choice.
Pro-gun.
Drive a 4 door sedan
Illegals should be deported. Come here as you want legally, but don't cheat the system.

AA in Criminal Justice, EMT-B certificate, working on my paramedic.
Work in healthcare. I believe that universal healthcare will destory this country. Want to fix the healthcare problem? Lets see some tort reform before we start paying everyones bills.

I think the Democratic party is evil, and the Republican party is a bunch of impotent fools. I hate our 2 party system. I am a registered Libertarian.

Any program to redistribute wealth is a step towards total socialism. I do however that reasonable regulation needs to be applied to banking institutions and credit card companies. Some of their tactics are straight theft.

Listen to mostly punk/ska music. Rancid, Tiger Army, Transplants, The Slackers, Mighty Mghty Bosstones. Tim Armstrong, Time Again.

Own a cat, but likes dogs.

First handgun at 18, first NFA stamp at 21.

Member of NRA, GOA, USPSA.

Carry concealed and shoot for fun and sport.

Don't hunt because I don't have the time, not because I am opposed to it.

Enjoy a good cigar, don't drink often at all.

funkerbunny
February 24, 2008, 08:15 PM
I'm not sure if I fit the stereotype

Female

Bi (In a committed relationship with a girl though)

Pro legalization of drugs (Though I don't do them)

Listen to mostly Happy Hardcore and Psytrance styles of electronic music

Collect My little Ponies and Rave Flyers

Play video games (mostly RPG's)

Rarely Drink and when I do never more than one or two beers

Love organic gardening

Watch Faux News only when I first wake up (The anger it inspires is more effective at waking me up than the strongest coffee)

Though I do love dogs, fireworks, and have an American flag sticker on my car, and I guess I did vote for Bush when he said he would let the AWB sunset. So maybe I do fit the stereotype.

ieszu
February 24, 2008, 09:35 PM
Let's see if I can break the stereotype even further:

White
Male
Orthodox Jew
2 BA's (History and Political Science)
Rabbi (by training)
Gunsmith by training and profession
Play computer games
Read in 4 languages (and understand), but converse in only one
Married
Born in PA, lived in CA most of my life
No television in the home
Don't watch any sports
Sci-fi/fantasy nut (But not Star Wars/Star trek)
Don't drink, smoke or chew
I believe that the United States is the best chance the world has for sanity
I do not support Israel any more than I support Uganda or Micronesia
I believe that terrorists should be executed, and that the war in Iraq is completely justified under the 4 other reasons given by Pres. Bush other than WMD's
I own my own business
I am not "tacti-cool", I am realistic. I am not a mall-ninja or Secret Service, so why would I need a tactical wheel-barrow?
No one in my family is closely related enough that we could tell.... but my wife does look like a member of my family... like a cousin :)

That break enough stereotypes?

Moonclip
February 25, 2008, 12:14 AM
I think the last two posters broke the stereotype very well and I'd be proud to go shooting with either of you:)

1911RjB
February 25, 2008, 12:32 AM
I:
Do Like NASCAR!
Do read publications not related to gun, actually I read fiction and non-fiction novels constantly.
Do Not beat my wife, kid , probly would beat my dog if he craps on drags his butt across my carpet one more TIME!!!
Do Not own a truck.
Do Not have all my teeth though, a baseball bat took a few of them out a few years back, and no matter how much i asked santa, new ones didn't come back...

357WheelGun
February 25, 2008, 02:03 AM
- I drive a Volvo.
- I have the complete works of Thomas Malory in their original Middle English and have read and enjoyed them.
- I haven't watched any television in the past two months.

Those are probably the biggest stereotype-busters of mine.

AirForceShooter
February 25, 2008, 09:42 AM
that's nice that we're all pretty much high achieving people that lead normal lives.
Question is who knows??
Whick of your friends and neighbors knows you carry and sunndebly when an anti comes along they respond with" my neighbor carries and he's not a nut job"

That's what breaks the sterotype.


AFS

deadhawg
February 25, 2008, 02:31 PM
I'm a long haired old hippie, (Just turned 60) love the Grateful Dead, have some very liberal views on some subjects and very conservative views on others.

Dad and Granddad taught me to shoot when I was about 10, and I have been a gun owner my entire adult life.

I believe peace is better than war, but sometimes war is the only rational response to evil. I think our veterans deserve the best care we can possibly give them.

I will avoid or run away from a fight if I can, but if I can't, it's all out maximum violence on my enemy.

I'm really p***ed off at some of the things our "leaders" do, but I still think this is the greatest country in the world. But I worry about the direction this country seems to be headed and what kind of country my kids and grandkids will be living in.

Ron

RKBABob
February 25, 2008, 03:46 PM
We're owned by four cats.
They let us stay in their 1920's Victorian.
I, the man of the house, do all the cooking for humans and felines alike.
I love watching PBS cooking shows on Saturday.
My wife pays the bills and sets the budget.
My wife is more educated than I am.
I don't beat her.
I secretly like the fact that my wife decorated everything in pink.
We practiced organic cooking and vegetarianism for a while.
We don't hunt or have any interest in hunting.
We feed squirrels in the park.
We try to drive the most efficient vehicle that meets our needs.
It takes me 6 months to drink a case of apricot micro-brewed beer.
We have an entire kitchen cabinet dedicated to gourmet tea.
Gay people don't bother us.
We like to attend local live theatre.
We don't watch NASCAR, or wrestling, or Jerry Springer.
.

76shuvlinoff
February 25, 2008, 09:52 PM
Break the stereotype?... I don't try, only ignorant people stererotype other people anyhow.

That said, excuse my spelling.

White, 48, married 20 years last October.
Double income, one kid.
4 horses, 2 dogs, 2 cats, 1 tame rabbit.
Approx 6 to 8 beers a month maybe something harder on special occasions.
Dipped Skoal for 21 years and quit cold in 2001.
Do a couple cheap cigars a week
Run a 10 year old truck, 32 year old Harley and a 64 year old tractor.
The wife has a bigger better truck than I do (remember, horses :( ).
Had to live in the country so I could pee in the yard :neener:
Do most my shopping at farm supply stores and Home Depot.
Owned guns all my life.
Not affiliated with any organized religion and not considering it.

Plant Operations Manager over 4 manufacturing facilities.

rockinrussky
February 25, 2008, 10:20 PM
*doubletap*

rockinrussky
February 25, 2008, 10:22 PM
Alrighty here's my crack at it:
A 24 year old Russian LEGAL immigrant, and I've been citizen for 6 years.
Came to this country as political refugee - long story, yes 'commies' are involved in this one.
Have a BS degree in History.
Working on a graduate degree in Accounting.
Drive an economic four door sedan.
Libertarian mindset, though I swing more towards the conservatives.
Believe all should have equal opportunity to immigrate legally, and against amnesty to those that came illegally.
I do drink beer, but good quality microbrews (certified beer snob)
I don't care for Nascar.
I don't hunt, though would like a try.
I much prefer to purchase EBRs and military rifles, partly because of a constant fear of them becoming banned.
I DO listen to some talk radio (Rush and Beck), does that put me into some sort of a lunatic fringe right stereotype?

BlazingAngel01
February 26, 2008, 12:52 AM
Have a college degree.
Working on law degree.
Pro-gay
Music-
*anything from late 60"s
*some 80"s
*"EMO"rock
*Rugby drinking songs
Star Trek Nut(I do speak Klingon):neener:
Soccer is a real mans sport.
Play a few computer games.
Read Hawthorne, Hemingway, Thoreau, and a lot like them.
Drive a Couture LS

Hero's

Tom Stevenson
General Curtis LeMay
General John Jumper
Ben Franklin
John Adams
Sir William Wallace
Robert I, King of Scots
Capt James T Kirk

chris in va
February 26, 2008, 05:08 AM
Wow, makes my life look pretty bland in comparison.

-Native of AZ, but lived in TX/CO growing up.
-Did my 4 years in the AF.
-Never been married after 37 years.
-HS degree, tried community college, didn't like it at all.
-Until 2 years ago I was an avid whitewater kayaker. Absolutely loved it. If VA ever gets water again, I'll get back into it. Rafting too.
-Pretty neutral on firearms growing up, but didn't have one until 5 years ago.
-White, Christian but can't seem to find a church I like.
-Avid motorcyclist, NOT Harley. Or sportbikes.
-Love river fishing. Yes. Combine it with kayaking, you got something there!
-Never hunted but got my *first* license this year. Didn't hunt. Kinda disappointed really.
-Pretty mild mannered, don't like to offend anyone. Socially 'shy'.
-Poor due to bad financial decisions on sale of house.
-Technically self employed, professional window cleaner. I get razzed for that all the time.
-Used to hit the rave clubs all the time when in the military. Ah, the days...er, nights.
-Not smart enough to make an educated decision on politics. Everyone has a valid argument.
-I don't mind so much what people do, so long as they DON'T PUSH IT ON ME. God I hate that.

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