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Mavrick12
September 30, 2007, 09:50 PM
Okay I want a Mosin Nagant. I am seriously wanting one just for the the Cheapness and fun of shooting them. I have an M44. I want an M91/30. I need to pick a scope so I can play"Enemy at the gates" At carboard men at 200 yards or so:). Its just plicking and just for fun but any help on a scope to buy? Drilling and tapping doesnt hurt me that much so any one wanna give me a hand in picking one?

Thanks guys,
Mavrick12

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sweetkicker
September 30, 2007, 10:16 PM
your best bet would be to go to your local walmart and get a 4x shotgun scope or something like that with a long eye relief. keep the iron sights. tap the receiver, use a high mount to clear the iron sights. this way you get 2 zero points with the scope and you can fall back on open sights for the rest.
these guns are easy to get hooked on because of the price, but keep the price in mind.
I spent 100 on mine and I did a nice job on the stock "glass Finnish" polished the bolt, and cut off all the unneeded meat. I decided to stay with a traditional sling only, no scope scout rifle.
the main reason I keep the steel but plate is because it now doubles as a bashing stick.
If I cant use it for more than one thing I don't want it.

FieroCDSP
September 30, 2007, 10:30 PM
I keep the steel but plate is because it now doubles as a bashing stick.
If I cant use it for more than one thing I don't want it

Those Ruskies knew how to build them. I love my M44. Best hundred bucks I ever spent.

Red Tornado
September 30, 2007, 10:59 PM
Buy 3 (or more), pick the most accurate one to scope, sell the other 2, and use the fund for a repro Russian sniper scope. Easy. :)
RT

sweetkicker
September 30, 2007, 11:01 PM
P.S. don't listen to the guys that say "don't change the rifle because of historic value" these rifles were mass produced for every Russian soldier, the chances of you getting a real collector for dirt cheap are really slim.
change it cut it paint it scope it, whatever makes you comfortable shooting it and gets you on the paper at 100 meters +
It is a tool and will do you no good if you cant use it comfortably.

sweetkicker
September 30, 2007, 11:13 PM
red tornado.
I agree buy at least 2 and keep the better one. some will fail the bullet in the bore test, and some will fail because they were re arsenal and had 2 inches of the bore "relief drilled" and I have had these ones sometimes shoot better.
you have to shoot it to really find the best one. as you don't have this luxury at a show. 2 or 3 chances are better then 1 at the price they go for.
plus if you cant sell the ones you don't want. look at the bright side. they still function.

Threejs
October 1, 2007, 12:59 AM
The recoil on a mosin will destroy a cheap scope. If you find a 41 Tula send it to me. :-) (There are 5 known to exist in the states) Any other year there are thousands of them. I would suggest trying to find a finn capture (SA mark on the barrel) as the ones I have seem to be more accurate than the standard russian refurbs.

As for drilling and tapping. You can 1. Get a darrell scope mount, which does not alter the rifle permenantly. 2. Get a repro scope and mount, which will cost you more than the rifle. 3. Have a gun smith drill and tap it for a scope, which will also cost more than the rifle.

I prefer #1, just because I know I can get more for the rifle later if I don't drill holes in it.

You will also want to try to find a couple different types of ammo, or hand load. These rifles can be finicky. I have one that will shoot 1.5" groups @ 100 yards, with one kind of ammo, and 10" groups with another.

Cosmoline
October 1, 2007, 05:06 PM
There are a bunch of 91/30 faux snipers on the market for $350 to $400 or so. That sounds like what you want. You can also get an ex-sniper with holes for the PU mount.

Don't drill and tap any Mosin until you're sure of what you have. Esp. if there's an SA mark on it.

P.S. don't listen to the guys that say "don't change the rifle because of historic value" these rifles were mass produced for every Russian soldier, the chances of you getting a real collector for dirt cheap are really slim.

Not true at all. I've found numerous collectable Mosins for dirt cheap because most people assume all Mosins were "mass produced for every Russian soldier." In fact I found a 28/30 for a C note at a pawn shop because the idiot owner tagged it as a "Roosian rifle." I also have an M-27 with an "F" but no "D" stamp that someonoe hacked beyond all hope of recovery. These rifles are running $300 to $700 now, but will be heading north in the future.

Learn before you hack.

sweetkicker
October 1, 2007, 06:00 PM
Just to be clear on things. I shoot my weapons. I don't sit around and shine them hopping their value will go up. this is in no way a poke at anyone.
I just want a shooter, not a wall hanger. or a period correct almost shooter/wall hanger.
I love the mosin for the same reason I love the grand daddy colt. it fires every time I need it to. I choose the m44 as a scout because it will do the job, and you can get 500 rounds for a buck and a half.

If you found one that is worth 3 to 7 gozillian dollars then I am happy for you.
I am talking about the beaters that still have a good bore. you know "the ones that are bought in bulk and sold to the general public.
"good enough to do a job at a reasonable price.


lets remeber something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

DMK
October 1, 2007, 06:46 PM
I need to pick a scope so I can play"Enemy at the gates" At carboard men at 200 yards or so. Its just plicking and just for fun but any help on a scope to buy? Drilling and tapping doesnt hurt me that much so any one wanna give me a hand in picking one?If you must drill and tap it, at least put something on there that looks right for the rifle. Don't get some sporter scope that will look just wrong.

Here you go, a genuine Rooski PU scope just like in the movie:

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=554

Cosmoline
October 1, 2007, 08:03 PM
I love the mosin for the same reason I love the grand daddy colt. it fires every time I need it to.

And there's good reason to be careful before you hack at the grand daddy's Colt, too!

Nobody is talking about wall hangers. It's about not being foolish, that's all. Learn what you have before you destroy it.

I am talking about the beaters that still have a good bore. you know "the ones that are bought in bulk and sold to the general public.
"good enough to do a job at a reasonable price.

That includes a huge range of surplus rifles. And yes it's not such a good idea to cut on them on the ASSUMPTION that the rifle you have is of no historic or monetary value. Or on the assumption that your modifications will actually improve the firearm in any meaningful way.

ROMAK IV
October 1, 2007, 08:56 PM
I bought a 91/30 that already had a conventional scope mount on it. I didn't care, I got it cheap. The aftermarket mounts aren't that strong IMHO, and the best vale in a scoped Moison may be the repro Snpers with the authentic mounts. I don't care for scout mounts, so I can't comment on them.

sweetkicker
October 1, 2007, 09:23 PM
cosmoline.
IT is easy to see we rub each other the wrong way.
so I will not further direct any comment to you if you would just please stop quoting me on every single post.
thanks.

Cosmoline
October 1, 2007, 09:41 PM
No need to take anything personally. I'm just trying to keep people from the same mistakes I've made and I've seen others make. There are many Mosins with the PU already set up on them, and it's easier to just get one of those.

6_gunner
October 1, 2007, 09:56 PM
I'm no purist--most Mosins are "hackable." But, like others have said, make sure you know what you have before you modify it.

I picked up a great-condition Westinghouse '91 for just under $100 a few years back. That may not be super-rare variant, but it seems rare enough to me to keep in original condition.

Whatever you get, do your research before modifying it. If you end up with something unusual, it would pay to keep it as-is and pick up another for modification.

U.S.SFC_RET
October 2, 2007, 07:20 AM
Cosmoline Quoted:There are a bunch of 91/30 faux snipers on the market for $350 to $400 or so. That sounds like what you want.
Yep they are faux snipers alright. I got one, make sure that you look that sucker over with a fine toothed comb. One advantage is when buying one is that you are saving the trouble of buying three and having to buy the scope, drilling and tapping.
Buy the faux sniper and if it doesn't shoot as accurate as you want it to then buy the ex sniper that's predrilled and swap the scope. (keep your fingers crossed).

Mavrick12
October 4, 2007, 10:36 PM
Thanks for all the help and info guys. I know a sporter scope would look wrong, I might try what the guy on surplusrifle.com or whatever did though. I doesnt look bad at all. This is kinda like a "Man I'm off from work, Yay!" Then 20 minutes later the bordem hits me. I just need a project:neener:

I will check each Mosin I look as well as I know how to, then hand it to a savvy friend to see if he sees anything. Ill look into its history, Just enough to make sure it doesnt have any rarity to it. I Think I might even end up hunting with this(if I can find softpoints) Just for the coolness factor. I might even try one of those synthetic stocks, but one step at a time. :)

Thanks a bunch everyone.

Threejs
October 5, 2007, 01:59 PM
This should help you determine Rarity. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm

ROMAK IV
October 5, 2007, 07:28 PM
Here's my 91/30 with the scope. It was professionally done, and though you can't see it well, the bolt handle was removed and rewelded, and provides more clearance than the bent ones. The scope is a relatively cheap BSA, and the mounts loosened after the first test fire. I reset them shimmed the scope to potimize zero, and reassembled with locktite. It has stayed tight, but I still have doubts about how rugged it is and wonder how long it will stay tight, It was $119, so it was a cheap as a regular 91/30. Besides, it was already done, so i didn't have to worry abot trashing a potentially valuable rifle, which it is, by the way, a 1942 Izzy.

Mavrick12
October 5, 2007, 11:36 PM
Thanks again, That setup Im looking at though looks pretty sturdy so It might not be a problem. Thats a might. Man I hope this works out like I hope it to:) That mount I am looking at doesnt eliminate the use of irons either, so its lookin good. Its not a Big sporter scope so the scope on the pics I saw looks good on there.

Thanks again everybody.

karlsgunbunker
October 6, 2007, 12:30 AM
I agree with Cosmo, know wht you have before you permanently alter a rifle.
I now have 4, M44, 91/30 and 2 M38's.
I turned one of the M38's into a scout rifle.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/karlsgunbunker/M38Scout-02.jpg
The rifle has not been permanently altered and can be returned to original condition.
My other M38 is a Museum Piece with correct Laminated stock 1944 (war year) and perfect finish.
I wouldn't do anything to this rifle.
I don't keep wallhangers as a rule but sometimes you run across one that deserves a spot on the wall.

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