Question for those who front pocket carry


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Juna
October 3, 2007, 06:58 PM
How do you avoid muzzle flashing people when you sit down? I mean, yes, the gun is in a holster (presumably), but when you sit, it tilts 90 degrees forward so that you're essentially muzzle flashing everyone your knee is pointed at.

Thoughts? Suggestions on how to avoid this while still utilizing front pocket carry?

It seems carrying IWB or OWB wouldn't have this problem as the muzzle would always be pointed down, even when you're seated. It's probably less of a problem with back pocket carry, too, I imagine.

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another okie
October 3, 2007, 07:12 PM
You probably can't. The prohibition on pointing a gun at anything you don't want to destroy means when the gun is in your hand.

Sistema1927
October 3, 2007, 07:13 PM
Well, what if you are OWB or IWB and climb stairs, or go to an upper floor, or drop your pants in the bathroom? What if you carry a horizontal shoulder holster? No difference from pocket carry.

In all cases, the weapon is holstered.

rantingredneck
October 3, 2007, 07:39 PM
As long as the gun is in a holster that properly covers the trigger/triggerguard you have nothing to worry about.

NCHornet
October 3, 2007, 07:44 PM
I think you are taking this a little far. Even in a OWB, SOB Shoulder Holster you can "muzzle flash" anyone. Think about it, if the gun is in a proper holster ( where the trigger is covered) how is the gun going to go BANG? This is one reason why having a good holster is so important as well as not having anything else in the pocket but the firearm. I use the Nemisis holster and it has served me very well.

Juna
October 3, 2007, 09:00 PM
Excellent points. Thanks for the replies.

gbran
October 3, 2007, 10:52 PM
How do you avoid muzzle flashing people when you sit down?

I better never experience muzzle flash whilst packet carrying.

orionengnr
October 3, 2007, 11:25 PM
is that you must violate more than one concurrently in order to experience an unfortunate incident.

Carrying in your pocket, shoulder holster, or any number of other methods, you may "sweep" other people. The fact that your finger is not on the trigger at the time is your safety factor.

Could a part fail, allowing the weapon to spontaneously discharge from within one's pocket, injuring an innocent? Sure, I guess that, theoretically, that is possible. I've never heard of any such thing, though, while I have heard of people struck by lightning, so anything is possible.

I don't think either is likely (and the one far less likely than the other) so I will continue to pocket carry.

BikerRN
October 4, 2007, 08:04 AM
How do you avoid muzzle flashing people when you sit down? I mean, yes, the gun is in a holster (presumably), but when you sit, it tilts 90 degrees forward so that you're essentially muzzle flashing everyone your knee is pointed at.

If the gun is in a holster and my hand is not on the gun, I don't worry about it.

The gun will not fire unless you depress the trigger with a finger or some object. The trigger should be covered by the holster, so this would be impossible. Also, nothing but the gun should be in that pocket anyway.

Biker

Leitmotif
October 4, 2007, 08:34 AM
They are the four rules of firearms *handling*. I'd not consider 'handling' to apply to a holstered firearm.

The Lone Haranguer
October 5, 2007, 01:55 AM
The safety rules apply when you are actually handling the gun, not simply when it sits inert in your holster, if I understand the question correctly.

Lou22
October 5, 2007, 11:12 PM
I only pocket carry DAO autoloaders or revolvers with the hammer down in a pocket holster. Either weapon requires a long squeeze on the trigger, which will won't happen accidentally (unless you carry keys or other objects in the same pocket which can snag on the trigger). I owned a Glock 36 for a while, great gun, accurate and dependable, but the short, light trigger pull I felt was too dangerous for pocket carry with one in the chamber.

Lou

MartinBrody
October 6, 2007, 01:27 AM
The guy who made that rule (Jeff Cooper) says this on the subject of rule II "A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone."

Rule 2, the expanded version "RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)"

harmonic
October 6, 2007, 11:57 AM
I better never experience muzzle flash whilst packet carrying.

I guess you and I are the only ones who got it. :D

S&Wfan
October 6, 2007, 01:21 PM
Hmmm . . . I just read an account about a robbery suspect who was gunned down by an officer firing a shotgun . . . after the BG pointed his "semi-automatic pistol, WITH A LARGE CLIP," at the officer.

Same case here folks. Let's help the guy!

Our pocket handguns do not PRINT on our clothes, thus showing the outline of the gun due to three factors:

1. We invest in special pocket holsters that break up the outline of the firearm, thus not exposing the contents to the public.

2. We choose pants that allow the concealment of the "pocket rocket" to be a tad easier!

3. We choose pocket firearms for their ability to both conceal well AND with the requirement of lightweight considered. Some weapons are much better for pocket carry than others.

A REAL ANSWER . . . FOR A VERY GOOD QUESTION!;)

Let's take the "High Road!"

T.

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