Is this a 38?


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doc2rn
October 3, 2007, 06:02 PM
Got this from an estate sale for $70 was all gelled up took all afternoon of cleaning and stripping it down to find out whoever worked on it previously didn't know **** about fixing/ cleaning rifles. She is now clean and working properly now I just have to figure out what she is to get ammo.

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doc2rn
October 3, 2007, 06:04 PM
I think it is an Arisaka from the destroyed flower and markings but as far as that goes I don't know which one.

Slugless
October 3, 2007, 06:47 PM
Check out Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arisaka_rifle

Since you have the damaged flower, yours may be chambered for .275 Roberts.

Hopefully someone on THR can help out with this....

I saw a 99 earlier this year & the back end of yours looks like an Arisaka but shorter than the big one.

yesit'sloaded
October 3, 2007, 06:49 PM
It sure looks like an Arisaka 38 to me. They shoot 6.5x50mm. Hornady makes rounds for it still. Also known as 6.5 Jap.

yesit'sloaded
October 3, 2007, 06:50 PM
On second thought the first sight looks like a type 99. Those use 7.7x58mm Jap.

Chipperman
October 3, 2007, 07:53 PM
It looks like a sporterized T38 carbine. The barrel looks too short to be a full size 38 or 99.

The chambering has nothing to do with whether the Mum is intact or not.

Measure the barrel length and the muzzle.

HorseSoldier
October 3, 2007, 08:07 PM
Looks like bubba was feeling particularly vindictive when he sporterized that stock.

Spiggy
October 3, 2007, 09:43 PM
Look at the reciever, if there's one hole, it's a T99, if it's 2 holes, it's a T38/44 action

doc2rn
October 3, 2007, 09:53 PM
It has 2 holes on the recievermoving L to R

doc2rn
October 3, 2007, 10:11 PM
It is a pre 1935 first run for tokyo arsenal #78763 made between 1906 and 1935 ( they made over 2 Mil before 1935). I guess it has been ransacked by bubba, thinking of restoring it now.

Avenger29
October 3, 2007, 10:24 PM
You might have to have a chamber cast made...at least, I would to be absolutely sure...

Spiggy
October 4, 2007, 01:21 AM
yea, bubbah may have rechambered it as well.

I know it's your gun, but that's a hideous cadaver of what a T38 should look like

-are there any reciever markings on top by the holes? if so, does it have 3 unique kanji or two of the same and one unique. That'll tell us if it's a 44 or 38.

If it was a 44, you can wish bubba be burning in the inner ring of the 7th circle of... well you get the idea

doc2rn
October 4, 2007, 12:54 PM
If I am translating this right it says 3 8

lathedog
October 4, 2007, 03:28 PM
Yes the barrel looks short, as does the rear sight ladder. I think it is a hacked up type 38 carbine.

It could be rechambered to anything, or still the original 6.5 chamber. I concur with the chamber cast.

That stock has been more than bubba'd. There has to be another name for the destruction someone did. Especially if it was a 38 carbine, it seems senseless as the type 38 carbine is already so handy and light.

If you are handy with tools and careful restoration, you might be able to help it out some. I would not take wood off another rifle as the wood is usually in the worst shape for Arisakas anyway. Why ruin a complete rifle to fix a different one? Chances are low that you will find a nice piece of replacement wood anyway.

One thing somewhat easy to find: a cutdown rifle stock that is missing the front end but at least has not been cut up on the back end. I have two (somewhere in the garage) for type 99s. They were either duffle bag cuts or an attempt to create a budget sporter (ick!). In any event they are out there lurking in bins at gun shows.

Vern Humphrey
October 4, 2007, 03:34 PM
Check the bore -- if it's a 6mm, it's a Type 38. If it's about .30 caliber, it's a Type 99.

Now, which variant of its particular type I can't tell from the pictures.

doc2rn
October 4, 2007, 04:44 PM
Bore checked today it is a 6.5 mm used a 6.5 swedish bullet but fit was the same, came out the business end. 257 roberts casing also would not let bolt close due to it's length. I want to thank everyone for all the tips. Does anyone know if another stock like a Rem 700 tapered would fit on this Bubbad rifle? If I could sport it up some it might be a keeper. I would hate to let it sit and gather dust.

.45Guy
October 4, 2007, 04:51 PM
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Spiggy
October 5, 2007, 02:05 AM
Check the bore -- if it's a 6mm, it's a Type 38. If it's about .30 caliber, it's a Type 99.

Now, which variant of its particular type I can't tell from the pictures.
Type-1 is a Carcano Contract, they use 6.5mm

T30, T35, T38, T38C and T44, all use 6.5mm

Finding a short 6.5mm arisaka does not always mean it's a T-38

-if you can cut threads, it should be like 14tpi, the T38 actions are really beefy(if not the strongest) for all sorts of evil wildcat you have in mind. ;) I hear 6.5 Swede is a good choice

doc2rn
October 5, 2007, 08:37 AM
The bubba'd stock is definately a 44 but the reciever does say 38 and has 2 holes. The barrel is not full length it is 4" too short. It is chambered in 6.5 Jap still. Now that I know the barrel is not full sized I may turn it into 6.5 swede.

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