FIRST FRENCH AR15France meeting


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frenchbushmaster
October 5, 2007, 05:48 PM
I'm French and I say hello every bady.

I'm an active member of "the French Connection" The french connection for the AR15 rifles shooter in Europe. AR15France.com forum.

Last september 22th MaxFr one of our best member organise the first FRENCH NATIONAL AR15DAY near Lyon city.
A great day. A little contest, but the most important was the pleasure to meet member of our forum. And to compare our AR rifles.
The first time I see 35 AR rifles in the same time in the same place. And some AK :scrutiny::evil:

I show you some pictures and movies.
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9337.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9334.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9437.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9435.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9470.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9491.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9478.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9485.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9449.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9452.JPG

le group "HD" :
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9454.JPG

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frenchbushmaster
October 5, 2007, 05:51 PM
In action during the little IPSC contest with Assault Rifle. This competiton did not exist in France. It's the first time I see this for and with civilian peoples.;)

http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9473.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9472.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9432.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9428.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9405.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9406.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9425.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9383.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9386.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9380.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9391.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9356.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9329.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9331.JPG
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5210/hpim0921lz4.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7097/hpim0937wn2.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5105/hpim0899ba5.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/566/hpim0893ao4.jpg

frenchbushmaster
October 5, 2007, 05:54 PM
For finish pictures, the rifles. A small parts of the rifles :D

http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9352.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9368.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9367.JPG
http://armes-et-tir.net/galerie/albums/userpics/10100/IMG_9400.JPG

frenchbushmaster
October 5, 2007, 06:04 PM
And a little video by MaxFr

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-1884063554139974727

I hope you will be surprise :what::rolleyes::D;)

prism
October 5, 2007, 06:07 PM
thanks for the pics ! looks like they had a good time.


a couple non-AR's and several sidearms present, too. :)


also, I saw the ar15 link in there. http://ar15france.com

strat81
October 5, 2007, 06:08 PM
That's awesome. Great pics!

W.E.G.
October 5, 2007, 06:13 PM
very cool!

Anotherguy
October 5, 2007, 06:18 PM
Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised that this event can take place in France but saddened that it would be illegal in certain areas of the U.S., including the county I live in.

Cmdr. Gravez0r
October 5, 2007, 06:22 PM
I think French stock just jumped.

Dravur
October 5, 2007, 06:28 PM
My regards for the French just jumped up a couple notches. Glad to see it! Nice rifles. Are you allowed to take them home or are they stuck in the club? I am curious to know what the rules are for EBRs in France.

comment allez vous?

wheelgunslinger
October 5, 2007, 06:34 PM
Very cool. I had no idea that France would allow citizens to own stuff like that.

Very nice for you, and for your friends.

Keep the pictures coming.

Stover954rr
October 5, 2007, 06:45 PM
Great to see! Welcome to THR as well! Also don't be afraid to ad some of your buddies join up on here!

What is the law with Carrying a hand gun in france? I didn't know it was legal.

~Stover

frenchbushmaster
October 5, 2007, 06:49 PM
I'm happy to give you a different point of view on France and French shooters.

We have our Weapon at home Dravus. We are simply obliged to stock them in a safe. That all. I have my 17 weapons in my flat. No problem ;)

More pictures here if it's possible for you to open this link to AR15France album.
http://ar15france.com/forums/album_cat.php?cat_id=1

See you, Mick.

El Tejon
October 5, 2007, 07:22 PM
Allcueillez, mon nouvel ami. Bon tir. En vos photographes, qui equipent et vous? Habetez vous a Lyon?

Don't you just love French? You can say anything and it's pure poetry.:)

Welcome, my new friend. Good shooting. In your photographs, which shooter are you? Do you live in Lyon?

What a wonderful time. We do that in the USA, but I would bet my last Euro that the food at your events is much better!:D

Welcome to THR. We have many questions for you. I hope you are not offended at our clumsy inquiries. Please stick around.:)

whitetiger7654
October 5, 2007, 08:10 PM
Wow I even saw someone doing a prone position correctly. You don't even see that here much. Very cool. I would be a little concerned about the muzzles and mags in guns while not on the firing line though. Hopefully they were empty for the pic.

Prince Yamato
October 5, 2007, 08:36 PM
I like the short-barreled AKs and ARs. Cool pics!

bsf
October 5, 2007, 09:04 PM
Cool pics.

hksw
October 5, 2007, 09:39 PM
I'm sorry to say that my previous opinion of the French was generally not very high. (As I'm sure some French have the same feelings for Americans.) This post, however, has changed that considerably. An excellent post and quite surprising that the AR is somewhat popular over there.

Wow I even saw someone doing a prone position correctly. You don't even see that here much.

IMO, what is read and taught as shooting "official" techniques are excellent baselines to start off with. They do, however, change over time sometimes and may not always be the best. What is important IMO, though, is how well the shooter shoots in whatever technique they use. If tweaking the base technique is more comfortable and/or gets them to soot better, more power to them. Even more, if an entirely different technique is used, even more power to them.

I took a CMP class one time and it had great improved my shooting in standing, sitting, and prone. I have, however, changed or adjusted slightly a few things to help me shoot better. Bending your weak side leg in prone or splaying out completely as opposed to bending your strong side leg have all worked equally well for me. With those resulss, it's all a matter of comfort from there as to which one to choose. In the end the person scoring the holes won't know what technique you used and that is all that counts.

lamazza
October 5, 2007, 09:43 PM
Very nice pics. That looks like alot of fun.

Mr White
October 5, 2007, 10:07 PM
Nice pictures. Looks like you had a good shoot.

What are the gun laws in France like? You said you could keep your guns in your home.
Can civilians own 20 and 30 round mags?
What kind of paperwork do you have to go through to buy a gun?
Are there certain types of guns you can't own?
Can civilians own handguns?
How about full autos?

creekerdoug
October 5, 2007, 10:43 PM
Great photographs. Thanks for giving us a look at your equipment and club.

Prince Yamato
October 6, 2007, 12:13 AM
What are the gun laws in France like? You said you could keep your guns in your home.

Think Illinois gun laws + the added requirement that AWs in Military caliber require an extra jump through a hoop (so an AR in .222 is more common than an AR in .223). And no barrel limits (ie, no such thing as SBR). That's not exact, but someone will be along in a bit to explain in detail.

frenchbushmaster
October 6, 2007, 04:06 AM
Thank you very much,
It's a pleasure to read your positive comments.

I agree the food here is realy realy realy a religion. I love it :)
I'm a good cooker. My friends never regret my invitation for a dîner.

About the french law, I give you this link in a post by OLEG VOLK.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=297651
I'm arrived here by a contact with OLEG.
And we have discused of the french law and differents rules for buy a gun, self defense, how to carry guns, caliber, high cap mag, etc..
I invite you to read this post. If you have any question after this reading I will be very happy to give you any informations.

For illustration of what we could have. This is a picture of my personal collection.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/my%20guns/gr00.jpg

Have a nice day !;)

Warren
October 6, 2007, 04:37 AM
I nominate frenchbushmaster as "Best New Member" not that we have any awards here...if we did though he would win handily.

I could not get the video to load. I am sad.

If I moved to France from California I would see a net increase in my gunrights....that is sad.

Silvanus
October 6, 2007, 06:07 AM
LOL and they always think we have no guns here in Europe :D

Stover954rr
October 6, 2007, 09:30 AM
WOW!!!! France has MORE lenient gun laws than New York!!! I couldn't own half the things on there (legally). Thanks for sharing with us!
~Stover

Navy joe
October 6, 2007, 11:49 AM
Glad to see like minded people spread across the globe. Ar-15 firing through a barrel indoors. I bet that's a little loud. :uhoh:

TheArchDuke
October 6, 2007, 12:13 PM
Let's see...

I count 19 things in that picture that I couldn't own here in California. I might have missed a few though haha

Well-Armed Lamb
October 6, 2007, 01:12 PM
Vive les French gun-nuts! Cool post.

MartinBrody
October 6, 2007, 01:49 PM
Thanks for the post. Anyone here on The High Road who wants to check out their site, AR15France.com, but doesn't read/write French can try out Google's language tools. I am having very good luck using their translation feature. Just open google in a new browser, click language tools to the right of the search field, copy and paste text from ar15france.com and paste it into the field that says translate, choose french to english, then click translate. Pretty cool.

MartinBrody
October 6, 2007, 02:11 PM
looks like google will translate the whole site if you check out the translate a web page feature, it is just below the translate text feature.

SoCalShooter
October 6, 2007, 02:42 PM
Nice!! but i have a question?

I thought the French were not allowed to have those types of weapons?

Ohio Rifleman
October 6, 2007, 02:57 PM
Was that a suppressor I saw on one of your pistols? What do you have to do to get one of those in France? It's a pain here, if your state even allows that sort of thing.

frenchbushmaster
October 6, 2007, 03:07 PM
If you want see me I'm the guy in the first line behind the BREN with the OD Blackhawk vest1.
Thank you, but I'm not the best new member.
Probably I'm the most exotic :D

Like Say Silvanus, we have many guns here in Europe.
You could be surprise If you come visit us.
Except that we are not a big community.
So we are discreet.:rolleyes:
We used to say "for live happy, live hide".

I will re-give you the French legislation about guns in the next post.
But for short answer your questionSocalshooter, we could buy any weapons like assault rifle (semi-automatique only) if you are an official shooter and after approximatly one year of different procedure, request and investigations.
And we could buy only 7 central primer assault rifles or hand guns.
And 5 handguns or semi-automatiques rifles using rimfire cartridge (22LR, 22 mag or 17 HMR).
And for the lever action,bolt action, etc... No limit if using a civilan caliber (300WinchMag, 338 LAPUA MAG, etc..).
For exemple a sniper rifle using .50BMG cartridge is classified in your quota of 7 central primer weapons .But you could have it. ;)

See you, Mick.

frenchbushmaster
October 6, 2007, 03:22 PM
I re-give you here the french law description I send to OLEG.

Our legislation is not so bad. And I will be happy to be sure to stay in actual definition.
BUT ! Any new government could change the law and suddenly destroy it and suppress our rightful to have guns. We are always in danger. English history is the nightmare of all the Europeans shooters.

We could have 12 weapons classified in 1st and 4th categories.
7 with central primer (1st or 4th categories central primer) and 5 with rim fire cartridge ( 4th Category chapter 2) all rim fire weapon semi-automatique rifles or handguns pistols and revolvers (22 LR, 22 magnum, 17 HMR).

I think in a first time we must explain we have 8 categories of weapons.

1st and 4th categories are the main important for us here.

The 1st category

Chapter 1 :
It’s all semi-automatique handgun weapons over 7.65 mm. caliber.

Chapter 2 :
For the rifle and carbines in military caliber (semi-automatique or bolt action carbines and rifles). A military cliber is a caliber used in regular army (5.56 nato, 7.62x51, 7.62x39, .50 BMG, etc..)

The 4th category is a bit more complex.

Chapter 1 :
It’s for all revolver with central primer cartridge (38 spe, 44 mag, 357 mag, 45 LC, etc.) and the semi-automatique handgun in caliber 7.65 or less big like the 6.25mm using central pimer and with barrel under 110 mm lenght.

Chapter 2 :
For all semi-automatique handgun, rifles and carbines and revolver using rimfire ammo (22 LR, etc.).

chapter 5 :
For semi-automatique rifles in civilian caliber. Like the AR15 in .222 remington.

1st and 4th categories weapons could only be buy by a shooter member of a shooting club over 21 years old after 6 months of shooting and with an authorization delivered by authorities. Authorization you have to confirm every 3 years.

2nd and 3rd categories are completely prohibited. It's machinegun, full auto weapons, bazooka, grenade and explosives, war plane, combat ship, tank, nuclear chemical or bacteriologic weapons.

5th and 6th sorry, I dont remember details, but you have edge weapons in one of this category and all the rifle in bolt action or lever action using civilian caliber.
For all bolt action rifles in civilian caliber, as 300 Winch Mag, 338 Lapua magnum, 7.08, 30.30, etc... no problem. If you are shooter or hunter, you could buy all that you want. Same thing for the ammo, you could have 10 000 cartridges, no limit. This is the reason why I prefer My AR15 in hunting caliber 222 rem. I have no limit for my cartridges.

7th category is for "armes de salon" if I try a translation, I said weapons for exposition more than for shooting. For exemple all the copy of muzzle loading weapon (uberti, pietta, etc...) are in this category. Compress air guns are in this category too.

8th category is for weapons of collection. If it's a french weapon, this weapon is in this category if older than 1890. For other country’s weapons it must be older than 1873.
Modern production of this weapons using metallic cartridge (schofield, SAA1873, etc.) are not free. They are in 4th category.
Only original model of metallic cartridge and modern or old model of muzzle loading handgun are 8th category free access like remington 1858, colt dragoon, paterson, etc....

Summit :

For 2nd and 3rd categories. Impossible to possess this weapons models.

For 1st and 4th, you must be sport shooter, over 21 years old and need to have an authorization delivered by authority. Authorization you have to confirm every 3 years.

For all other categories 5, 6, 7 and 8th it's free.
You must just be over 18 years old and be member of a shooting club or hunter. No limit about quantity of weapons you possess and same thing for ammunitions. You are registered on the Gunsmith book of sell and you declare too your police office you have this guns and that’s all.

Just some specific points:
a) Silencers are completely free access.
b) Night vision are only class 1 access (maybe class 2 ??).
c) NVG are classified like weapon in 1st category.
d) Laser are free access but usually max power is 5 mW.
e) Classic 2 shoot 12/70 or 12/76 rifles for hunting are free access for hunter and shooter.
BUT !! If it's a semi-automatic rifle it must be maximum 3 shoot (2+1)
If is tubular magasin is over 2 cartridges capacity it became a 4th category.
Finally, if this rifle is a riot gun (pump action gun) it's completely prohibited. Because in popular imagination it's the weapon of bad guys. Therefore, authority prohibited this weapon completely. Stupid!? Yes !

Last point for explain that all is not so easy:
If your weapon is in a definition free and than only one element is classified in 1st or 4th categories. Your weapons become a 1st or 4th categories weapon.
Example: I want buy a modern henry rifle carbine from Uberti manufacture. It’s a lever action, conception older than 1873. I could think no problem. It’s a 7th category. But in reality it’s a 5th category because it’s a rifle or a carabine and not a handgun. And it could become very fast a 4th category. The nightmare begins!
If I want buy it, I need to choice 44.40 caliber. It’s a caliber unclassified. If I buy it in 45 L.C. it’s a classified ammo (4th category ammo), so The rifle follow the cartridge and become a 4th category rifle. Other point, If the rifle is too short (total length under 81 cm and/or barrel under 45 cm) the weapon is consider like too compact and is classified 4th category. Last point, If you decide to buy the long rifle model, the problem is the number of cartridge in magasine. If over 10 ammo, you become again a 4th category weapon.
Finaly you could only buy a long rifle model in 44.40 Caliber with a maximum capacity of 10 cartridges. Complex!! Really, you think!! HA HA HA HA !
It’s not a law we have in France, it’s a labyrinth.

I hope I was clear.

frenchbushmaster
October 6, 2007, 03:31 PM
Yes Ohio Rifleman.
It's a silencer for my CZ Kadet 22 L.R.
We could buy any silencer like our bread to the bakery.
It's an accessory not classified and not recognised like a main parts of gun.

We have very good silencer in Europe like switzerland Brugger&thomet. But very explensive.
My friend using AR15 rifle and I, we try to import AAC (M4-1000 and M4-2000) or Surefire (Phantom) silencer with flash hider. But IMPOSSIBLE because your law say it's an unauthorised parts for export from USA.
And I must say that we are realy angry and frustrate obout this stupid law.

See you.

rocinante
October 6, 2007, 03:55 PM
someone commented on the group photo and muzzles. First thing that impressed me is everyone who had their hand on the trigger has their finger indexed outside as should be. Nice collection of firearms and men. As a louisiana cajun you guys aren't doing too bad as frenchmen either. Come to my mama's house and she will teach you cooking though.

Ohio Rifleman
October 6, 2007, 03:59 PM
Yes Ohio Rifleman.
It's a silencer for my CZ Kadet 22 L.R.
We could buy any silencer like our bread to the bakery.
It's an accessory not classified and not recognised like a main parts of gun.

We have very good silencer in Europe like switzerland Brugger&thomet. But very explensive.
My friend using AR15 rifle and I, we try to import AAC (M4-1000 and M4-2000) or Surefire (Phantom) silencer with flash hider. But IMPOSSIBLE because your law say it's an unauthorised parts for export from USA.
And I must say that we are realy angry and frustrate obout this stupid law.

See you.

That is a major plus for France, and some of these other European countries in general, like Switzerland. Silencers here are treated the same as machine guns.

thorn726
October 6, 2007, 06:38 PM
ok WoW! great pics-
but ok the barrel- is that to catch shells or what is the reason for shooting through that??

also (ha) looks like they need better smoke eaters in there for those type of weapons! (or is that just a weird photo effect? looks very smoky in there)

Warren
October 6, 2007, 08:57 PM
So I wonder if, with Frenchies limited to seven centerfire rifles, that induces them to buy the most potent rifles they can.

In other words does this law mean that combat-able weapons are chosen much more than say pistol cal carbines or lower quality mag fed semi-auto rifles.

In short, does this concentrate the number of fighting weapons in the hands of French shooters?

romma
October 6, 2007, 09:16 PM
Awesome Dudes!! Viva La France!!

Waitone
October 6, 2007, 09:48 PM
Look at all the evil just laying around! I love it! BTW, was your shooting match sanctioned by any particular gun organization or was it just a bunch of French bubbas having a good time?

tinygnat219
October 6, 2007, 10:29 PM
First of all,

THANK YOU for the pictures. I needed the mop to clean up my drool.

Second of all,
WOW to your collection. That's impressive.

Third of all,
If you are ever in the US, specifically in the DC area, give me a PM and I would be happy to take you out and shoot and to have a beer.

Fourth of all,
Thank you for correcting us ignoramuses on European gun rights. It's nice to know we have friends over there and that we aren't in this fight all alone!

Roadrunner NV
October 6, 2007, 11:12 PM
frenchbushmaster that's a nice collection you've got there :-)

Ca fait plaisir de voir des passionés de l'autre coté de l'Atlantique, bon tir les amis et soyez prudents.

Hey guys if you stop in Nevada let me know, it could be fun ;-)

frenchbushmaster
October 7, 2007, 03:40 AM
rocinante :
The security is always the best priority.
We must absolutly apply the safe rules.

Ohio Rifleman :
YES !! Our law about silencer is realy a great advantage.
We dont used it enought. But all the Assault rifle shooter want one.
And we dream of your AAC and Surefire model we could not buy 

Thorn726 :
AH AH AH !!
We have many different flash hider and some are realy impressive.
I think like we are indoor the like make you see a loot the smooke.
The munition used are Wolf or Barnaud. Perhaps it’s more smoky cartridge ?

Warren :
The quota of weapons we could have is one of the good point in the law evolution in France.
Like I explain in the OLEG post, the law changed in 1995 and we lost the freedom to buy easily a semi-automatique rifles in civilian caliber or Full automatique assault rifle.
But for not have some problem with peoples who had these weapon before the law change. The quota of guns by shooter have grow. Before 1995 we only could buy 4 centrale primer weapon. So we hope one day we will kill this limit. It’s probably the best way for us in the futur and perhaps some evolution about collection weapons for free the access to some more modern guns (actual limit 1873 => futur 1900).

WAITONE :
This match was just for fun.
Our primary target was to meet the other AR15 shooter from France (Belgium, Switzerland and Luxembourg)
IPSC or 3 gun competition dont exist in France.
Official competition for these weapon are only precision shooting. 300m classique IUT or 200m TAR (Regular weapon shooting)
If I well remember this IPSC Assault rifle exist in Luxembourg.
If Silvanus could confirm ?

Tinygnat219 and Roadrunner NV :
Thank’s a lot guy’s !
If I visit USA, I hope meet some shooter for big fun on shooting range and discussion about our passion.

See you, I go to the shooting range.

frenchbushmaster
October 7, 2007, 03:42 AM
Just for fun I re-give you this little video of My brother (SOPMODM4) our friend (The Undertaker) and I (Bushmaster).

last winter empty mags ops.
http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/images%20divers/?action=view&current=sceance_ar15_fun_011106_mini_musiqu.flv

:D

Warren
October 7, 2007, 03:52 AM
Cool vid. Great music, who is that?


You should post your vids on German video-sharing sites.....

4v50 Gary
October 7, 2007, 04:57 AM
Nice to see someone there in France has a southpaw AR.

Silvanus
October 7, 2007, 07:57 AM
Great video!

If I well remember this IPSC Assault rifle exist in Luxembourg.
If Silvanus could confirm ?

I'm not sure about that myself. There was a ISPC-like competition at a shooting range last month (I wasn't there unfortunately), but that was with pistols only. I don't know if there is a range that is set up for such competitions with pistols AND rifles. But my shooting has improved lately and I'm searching for a more interesting range at the moment. Where there is not only a standard 15m-25m shooting stand. I'd like to visit a range like in your video, that is outdoors and where you can move around and go as close or far away from the target as you want to.

Microlon
October 7, 2007, 08:57 AM
Frenchbushmaster, thank you for the education! It's good to see people around the world enjoying shooting sports, and I believe you've done a lot here to improve relations between the US and France, at least on a personal level.

0007
October 7, 2007, 11:17 AM
Forget the AR's, tell me about the BREN and the -28, heh. Nice to see you guys a still allowed to have fun over there. All I can say is y'all look like a bunch of Frenchies having fun. We need to set up an international fun shoot somewhere. Get all our members from all the different countries together and tell those who would relegate weapon ownership to the government to piss off.

MaxFR
October 7, 2007, 01:53 PM
Hello every body,

I'm glad to see the welcome you've done to my friend Bushmaster !
I'm not so fluently speaking in english, so I do not post messages as long as him !!

This day was the my best day since i practice the shooting sport, and thanks to a lot of friends, this day was very plaisant.

Here is some pics of my guns :

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/magpul_2.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/binomeAR15maxFR1-1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/stagarm2236fili.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/8.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/3.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/7.jpg


Here is an other video made last years:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=2627704166436771117

Have fun:)

Exposure
October 7, 2007, 02:54 PM
Very cool pictures guys, thanks for sharing! It looks like you all had a lot of fun. You all have some VERY nice rifles and pistols there as well. I'm jealous!

It's very interesting to see pictures of gun guys from different parts of the globe. :)


Are the machine guns in front of you all in the group picture live, or are they deactivated somehow? I am in love with that Bren!

MaxFR-

What type of suppressor is that on your AR? It looks great the way it fits inside the handguard like that, too cool!

Thanks again guys, and welcome to The High Road.

LRRPS
October 7, 2007, 03:39 PM
Hi frenchbushmaster and Maxfr, I'm Fearless warrior on the Ar15france.com forum.
Hello everyone.

As a matter of fact I didn't attend the first french AR15 enthusiast meeting in Lyon because of my work and I do regret it.
Hope the next meeting will take place in Normandie so that I can sneak in between 2 interventions if ever I'll be on duty.

You two have done a good job explaining in details the gunlaw in France hence I don't see anything else to add.

My turn to show you folks the weapons I own, they are nothing compared to what frenchbushmaster has but I'm happy with that.

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8933/ar15en222rsw745glock17sle0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1659/czkadetil2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5200/supressedarwithtrimagmook1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3456/m4withloadedcmag2iu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4462/magazinesju9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The AR-15s are now upgraded to these:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9731/dsc00232vd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/672/dsc00122mr4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

More rifles:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7600/anschutz54dioptrebt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And a few trophies:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2237/dsc00103bb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm also a knife fan:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8208/dsc00060ar8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Geno
October 7, 2007, 03:47 PM
Excellent post! Welcome to The High Road!

Doc2005

Blackfork
October 7, 2007, 03:47 PM
If you are at all interested, send me your mailing address in my Private Messages and I will send you some TSRA stickers.

Nice guns. Glad to see you guys shooting.

MaxFR
October 7, 2007, 04:05 PM
To exposure:

- the MG are all real and live ! but we can't used them this day :mad: ( the French laws forbid for civilian to used them, only Law enforcement, military and gunsmith are allowed).

- The silencor is made by French gunsmith (http://www.rdstactical.com/ ,sorry the site is only in french) anf the handguard is YHM. It's the only handguard which allow to fit a silencor into it. My barrel is 7" lengh and the handguard is 9". When I remove the silencor, I use the flash-hidder from the XM177.

frenchbushmaster
October 7, 2007, 04:33 PM
YYYEEEAAAAPPPIIIIII !!

Hello Guy's !!
Nice to have reinforcement for give our American friends some explanations about our live.

For the Machine Gun, like we could not buy and used full auto weapon since 1995, it's not interesting for us to buy a MG42, BREN, BAR, etc.. or any other weapons in this definition (heavy machine gun)

But for be honest, I dream of a M60 :) But it's only a dream :(

Just for the pleasur because my friend have post beautiful pictures and I want not stay behind :neener::D
I dont resiste pleasure to send you these pictures of 3 AR15.
My brother OBERLAND ARMS M4, my friend Philippe SDI M4 and my COLT COMMANDO.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio3.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio1.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio4.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio2.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio5.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio2a.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio6a.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio4a.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio5a.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio3a.jpg

Shooters :
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio6.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio1a.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio9.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio7.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio7a.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/fun%20shoot31aout07/trio8a.jpg

See you, Mick.

4v50 Gary
October 7, 2007, 04:44 PM
LRRPS, Arfcom here in America would be really proud of how you tricked our some of your ARs. Kudos (congratulations on a job well done).

MaxFR
October 7, 2007, 04:54 PM
In the same way, a friend of mine in the nicest island I've never see (Corsica) share you this video :

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=p3HKyKzIW5c

LRRPS
October 7, 2007, 05:06 PM
Thanks 4v50Gary, I'm also a member of the ARFCOM but for some unknown reason I can't access to this forum anymore.

LRRPS
October 7, 2007, 05:18 PM
A few years back, I have test fired belgian tracers (similar to M 856 ammo) in my M4.
Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuS19se5N-w

Pls. feel free to post your comments.

El Tejon
October 7, 2007, 05:39 PM
Max, bienvenue au THR ausi bien.:)

Do not worry about your English. The only way to improve is to use it. Besides, your photographs are an universal language.:D

yesit'sloaded
October 7, 2007, 07:29 PM
I am confused by the fact that you say that 5.56 is not a legal caliber and yet you have Ar15s. I saw a .222 caliber mentioned and am wondering if that is the same as .223 with a slightly smaller bullet for legal reasons or is it a entirely different cartridge?

Exposure
October 7, 2007, 10:28 PM
MaxFR-

Thanks for the answers. It is good to know those machine guns are still live, even if you guys can't own them right now. :( Hopefully things will change in the future and you guys can own them again.

I would imagine that your suppressed AR must be a real flame thrower when the suppressor is not attached. A 7 inch barrel would surely make for an brilliant show in low light! :D How effective is the suppressor on such a short barrel? Can you shoot it without hearing protection?

frenchbushmaster-

What is the optic attached to the carry handle of the rifle in the middle of the pic with the three AR's standing side by side? Can you get a good cheek weld to the collapsible stock while still having a good sight picture?

Sorry for all the questions guys.

Thanks again to our French friends for taking the time to not only share their pics but for speaking such excellent English. :)

frenchbushmaster
October 8, 2007, 07:59 AM
Hello,

yesit'sloaded :
We could have .222 remington or .223 remington/5.56 NATO.
The difference between the two cartridge is not realy important.
The 223 is more powerfull and the 222 is more accurate.
It's a question of form.
MaxFr do a realy good picture better than a long explanation.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/223vs222.jpg
After the difference for us is that like I have an old Colt AR15 .222 rem produced before 1995 for civilian free market (without any paper required for buy it) I prefer this caliber because it's a hunting caliber in our legislation and I dont have any quota for buy ammo. It's more expensive to buy .222 rem (twise price than a .223) but for reloading it's exactly the same price (same primer, same bullet, same powder).


Exposure :

The optic on the Commando is a classic red dot AIMPOINT ML-2 with two extras. The rubber protection and the low visibility front filter.

Witch stock intrest you ?
On the commando it's an AAC.
Like it's my gun I could make close up pictures of this part this evening.
For the other I could do pictures later, when I see my brother and/or my friend Phil.

"Excellent english", you are kind.
Thank you very much.
My brother say me I have lost a lot since school.

If you want watch some oter pictures, I have create this personal space on MSN.
I used it to help an american friend.
If you have an hotmail adress, you could go and watch some other pictures.

http://pitbullfirearmsfrance.spaces.live.com/

See you, Mick.

30 cal slob
October 8, 2007, 10:36 AM
oh Dear.

your English neighbors are going to get a seriously bad case of hardware envy!

:evil::p

frenchbushmaster
October 8, 2007, 02:47 PM
;):neener::D

Exposure :
Pictures of my CAA stock.
Classic 6 positions.
Since pictures I post, I had discovered paint !! :p

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/images%20divers/CAAstockb.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/images%20divers/CAAstocka.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/frenchbushmaster/images%20divers/CAAstockc.jpg

Bye, Mick.

MaxFR
October 8, 2007, 04:23 PM
Hi all,

For Explosure, yes, the barrel is very short, so without the suppressor, the flash is pretty funny, but as I have a long flash hidder, the light is not very long.

Here is a video that I made with and without suppressor, but it's difficult to ear the real differences between the 2 shoot in a video (in real life, the soudn is more strong without). I can tell you that the sound with suppressor is like a strong 22 lr, so you can fire without earing protection.

Be carefull to the first shoot with the suppressor, you can see the big light outside of the suppressor.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=797971483269840778

If you couldn't see it, tell me, I'll upload it in another site.

Bye,

Max

yesit'sloaded
October 8, 2007, 05:15 PM
I think I understand now. An AR in .222 is a category 4 chapter 5 and ammunition is unlimited, while an AR in .223(5.56mm) is a category 1 chapter 2 because it is a military caliber so the ammunition amount is limited. Am I correct?

MaxFR
October 8, 2007, 05:24 PM
-> yes you're right ! the 222 is civilian caliber (hunting) , 4th cat, no limitation for ammo, whereas 223 is military caliber so 1st cat, quotas of 1000 per year,except if you reload.

For Silvanus, here is a website in NL where they pratice the "IPSC" with rifle.

http://www.aps-dsr.nl/site/nl/

We "copy" some ideas for our meeting :D

HGUNHNTR
October 8, 2007, 07:33 PM
Great Pics, I lived in Paris (greatest city in the world) , in Aix-en-Provence for a summer, and in Geneve, Switzerland for a year. Looks like you had a great time!

HGUNHNTR
October 8, 2007, 07:37 PM
MaxFR BIENVENUE!! I love LYON! I was there for a short Holiday in the spring. The salade lyonnaise is great!
Great Guns, wish we could have hooked up for some shooting!

TX1911fan
October 8, 2007, 07:39 PM
Ok, I know it was wrong of me to judge an entire country by the actions of a few, but I did. Frenchbushmaster, you showed me the error of my ways. You are truly a brother, and I'm sure I would like you a lot. Thanks for the post. It was superb.

MaxFR
October 9, 2007, 03:49 AM
Thanks for welcome guys. You know, here too the french people judge the American due to the way you manage the Iraki war, due to the fact we think most american don't know where is the France, who is the President etc..etc.. but we must change our point of view each other and our common history would be more strong than the present events.

I hope we can show you our shooting range if you travel in our country, you will be suprised !!

Bye

Michael Zeleny
October 9, 2007, 09:18 AM
We used to say "for live happy, live hide".

Bene qui latuit bene vixit?

frenchbushmaster
October 9, 2007, 09:30 AM
I forget to answer two questions :

First :
My personal localisation is near Paris.
50 Km ouest of French capital.
My county is Yvelines.
I'm close of the EURE County the first NORMANDIE County.
Where I shoot.

For the AR15 day I travel to Lyon 600 Km south/est. Far of my home !:)

Second :
For the sound track on the video "empty mags", my brother choice a song from the "BLACK HAWK DOWN" movie sound track. I could give you later the name of the group and the exact title of the song.

For finish TX1911fan :
I hate speak of politic. First and last time for me. But I think it's important to say you we are friend peoples.
Like MaxFr say, the politic problems are not the best problem.
I hate politic and politician. They are become the new kings using the peoples for them and have forget they are elected for SERVE peoples.
it's my sad opinion base on my everyday minutes.
Friendship between our two peoples is a long story of kiss and slap.
Sometime I think you are no O.K. with your wife or your hunsband. But you will not divorce each time your not agree.
We love you ! Realy ! Your country is beautiful, Peoples are kind, etc..

O.K. we were not O.K. about the action against IRAK.
We were not agree with your politician. Not against american peoples.
Here nobody say bad think about the people. Only a criticism about you president choice.
Why ?
Because Saddam was clearly a bad guy, we know that.
But your government declare war about suspect nuclear weapons never exist.
And we have prof today that was a lie. A lie of blood today.
A french proverbe say : " When you want kill your dog, you say every body your dog have rabies".
This country was a military dictature, but it's a scapegoat with petrol.
The best proof is that It's BEN LADDEN in your TV last september 11th who again threaten you.:fire:

But when the enemy is clearly know like Ben LADDEN and Alkaida.
We are with you.
We fight your (our) enemy with you. Together !
We chase this fu.... civilian killer who is a threat for freedom and peace.
We have french soldiers in Afghanistan with you and they dies like your G.I.
And realy ofen we think many of your authority turn news to give you a point of view realy stange and not alway just about us.

Politic is bul...t and politician liar.
Forget it.
It's not interesting to speak about this.
I hope this post will give you the french reality. Without the official filter and that some want you think about us.
We are friends.
Never forget it.
I dont know if you have french military cemetery of civilian war.
But here we have your G.I. of first and second World War cemetery and we respect them for ever.
They are gardians of our memory about the cost of freedom.
The huge price of young american soldiers blood. R.I.P.

Best regards, Mick.

Spot77
October 9, 2007, 09:47 AM
For finish TX1911fan :
I hate speak of politic. First and last time for me. But I think it's important to say you we are friend peoples.
Like MaxFr say, the politic problems are not the best problem.
I hate politic and politician. They are become the new kings using the peoples for them and have forget they are elected for SERVE peoples.
it's my sad opinion base on my everyday minutes.
Friendship between our two peoples is a long story of kiss and slap.
Sometime I think you are no O.K. with your wife or your hunsband. But you will not divorce each time your not agree.
We love you ! Realy ! Your country is beautiful, Peoples are kind, etc..

O.K. we were not O.K. about the action against IRAK.
We were not agree with your politician. Not against american peoples.
Here nobody say bad think about the people. Only a criticism about you president choice.
Why ?
Because Saddam was clearly a bad guy, we know that.
But your government declare war about suspect nuclear weapons never exist.
And we have prof today that was a lie. A lie of blood today.
A french proverbe say : " When you want kill your dog, you say every body your dog have rabies".
This country was a military dictature, but it's a scapegoat with petrol.
The best proof is that It's BEN LADDEN in your TV last september 11th who again threaten you.

But when the enemy is clearly know like Ben LADDEN and Alkaida.
We are with you.
We fight your (our) enemy with you. Together !
We chase this fu.... civilian killer who is a threat for freedom and peace.
We have french soldiers in Afghanistan with you and they dies like your G.I.
And realy ofen we think many of your authority turn news to give you a point of view realy stange and not alway just about us.

Politic is bul...t and politician liar.
Forget it.
It's not interesting to speak about this.
I hope this post will give you the french reality. Without the official filter and that some want you think about us.
We are friends.
Never forget it.
I dont know if you have french military cemetery of civilian war.
But here we have your G.I. of first and second World War cemetery and we respect them for ever.
They are gardians of our memory about the cost of freedom.
The huge price of young american soldiers blood. R.I.P.

Best regards, Mick.



+1

Nice pictures earlier in the thread too. Those are some great guns.

LRRPS
October 9, 2007, 01:49 PM
Well said, frenchbushmaster.

BigG
October 9, 2007, 02:27 PM
That is really cool! Thanks for sharing! :)

LRRPS
October 9, 2007, 03:33 PM
Guys,

I found this video I took a few years back, I didn't expect the lithium battery pack to produce this awesome smoke screen when hit by bullets.
Since this video I stop shooting this type of battery because of the pollution it creates.

Enjoy the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zChmopfUSRc

frenchbushmaster
October 9, 2007, 04:00 PM
Just for illustrate.

http://www.ambafrance-us.org/news/images/OMAHA%20BEACH%202007%20PHOTO.jpg

http://www.ambafrance-us.org/news/statmnts/2007/omaha-beach_2007.asp

:)

BigG
October 10, 2007, 11:59 AM
Frenchbushmaster: that is really a nice sentiment. We Americans love you who keep the spirit of Lafayette and fought for your people twice despite the hateful politicians. Your friend,

George

Notch
October 10, 2007, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the fun pics and the overview of French firearm laws! A good friend of mine is married to a (beautiful) woman from France. He goes there once or twice a year. He has told me that he sees supressors in sporting goods shops for sale just as if they were a pocket knif or whatnot. I always thought he was confused or pulling my leg. Now I know he is not!

Stay well!

frenchbushmaster
October 11, 2007, 03:35 AM
It's a pleasure to be here and discuse with you and participate to promotion and values of our sport and passion.
International shooter friendship exist realy for me.;)

Your friend is not a liar Notch.
Two of my friend had visit yesterday the MILOP SHOW and meet Surefire company member. They exhibit only light. And show many video of there silencer.
When my friends explain them here everybody could buy a silencer like a loaf of bread they were surprise.
I think we have two problem about these silencer.
If tomorrow someone could sell me AAC or Surefire Silencer I have in my immediate neighboring shooter a minimum of ten buyer.
But I could not have it because your "patriot act" consider us like an ennemy country !?:fire::banghead:
I could buy switzerlant, French, Finnish, british, etc... Silencers.
But not the model I want because it's an american silencer.
Your company lost money because the most free market for this part is close to them by your law.
And in a second time our dealer dont do anythink for try to import them.
I will try to do it, but I'm not a professional it's a long way. But if I could do it with my friend Jeremy of Maryland. I promise you, I will be the most proud american silencer french shooter !:D:)

See you guy's.
Mick.

P.S. : Tomorrow I go to the MILIPOL SHOW. It's a professional show for police, military and security agency.
Il will take some pictures and show you a little report about what was show.

Autolycus
October 11, 2007, 04:55 AM
Very nice collection.

MaxFR
October 11, 2007, 12:23 PM
Hello Guys,

I have some pics of the little meeting, last year (2006). We were only 15 shooters, just for fun.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%209%209/meetingreduce08.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%209%209/meetingreduce10.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%209%209/meetingreduceII05.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%209%209/meetingreduce12.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%209%209/meetingreduce11.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%209%209/meetingreduce03.jpg

Magnum.35744
October 26, 2007, 07:10 PM
frenchbushmaster & LRRPS- Very nice gun collections guys:cool::)! And thanks for sharing with us! Take care, and safe shooting:D.

-Tre

MaxFR
July 30, 2008, 06:15 AM
French AR15 Day - May 2008.

News from France, here is the last pics of our 2008 meeting :

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/VashM4aumeeting023.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/VashM4aumeeting024.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/VashM4aumeeting022.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/tir_FA_jour117.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/tir_FA_jour123.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/tir_FA24.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/matos_16.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/matos_18.jpg
(we can keep the mag in rifle cause we have secure flag)

My last config :

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/meeting%20%202008/shung_case1.jpg

MaxFR
July 30, 2008, 06:20 AM
About the question of flame outside a short barrel, here is the answer :eek: :

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/Imagesaisie9.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/Imagesaisie8.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/Imagesaisie7.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/maxtrevoux/Imagesaisie1.jpg

Enjoy !:evil:

prism
July 30, 2008, 07:08 AM
neat! thanks for the pics, again.

looks like most rifles had optics.

30 cal slob
July 30, 2008, 09:02 AM
i'm feeling warm and fuzzy. :D

nice pictures!

-slob

Rubber_Duck
July 30, 2008, 09:19 AM
Short barrels OK? Suppressors OK? I'm moving to Paris! :)

Cool pics, thanks for sharing. I really enjoy seeing people around the world enjoy shooting for sport.

I have a couple questions,
How much does an AR-15 cost over there in France, and what manufacturers are available? Also, how much does a case of .223Rem or 5.56x45mm go for?

Thanks.

MaxFR
July 30, 2008, 09:54 AM
Come here, you're welcome !!

About the price, it's around 1500 € (SDI) to 3000 euros (Oberland).
For manufacturers, we have poor choice, between Sabre Defense ind. (SDI from GB) or Oberland (german).

1 gunsmith in France try to deals with US, but it's pretty hard, so we can have StagArms, POF and DPMS, but due to patriot act, the market is closed.

Old Colt AR15 are available, 99% in 222 caliber in France, but Colt are available in 223 in Swiss and Belgium.
Some old Olympics Arms are availabe too.

My own AR15 are : Colt AR15 in 222 rem (20") , and Stag Arms in 223 rem (7").

About ammo, Barnaul or Wolf are available around 150 € / 1000.

Drgong
July 30, 2008, 10:43 AM
I was in france in febuary to visit a friend, wonderful place really. Love Sacred Heart in Paris and loved southern france. (my friend is from a villiage outside of Nice) Glad to see that you can enjoy AR-15s :)

romma
July 30, 2008, 10:55 AM
Awesome, spectacular... I can't even have a collapsible stock here on my Bushmaster XM-15 because of my other evil features... :rolleyes:

When will someone from CT challenge the assault weapons ban?

K-Romulus
July 30, 2008, 11:34 AM
That's pretty funny that a UK manufacturer makes guns for sale on the mainland, and are banned from selling them at home.

1500 -3000 euros!! That's $3000-6000 US dollars!! Egads!

Rugerlvr
July 30, 2008, 11:41 AM
laissez les bon temps roulez!

HB
July 30, 2008, 11:44 AM
That's Awesome. Is the Wolf Ammo Brass-cased instead of the lower quality we get in the US? How popular is hunting in Europe?

I'd love to go to Europe sometime just to get some Family history and take some tours of gun makers.
Thanks for Sharing,
HB

LegalAlien
July 30, 2008, 12:10 PM
To all our new French friends a GREAT welcome!!!!
Those are fantastic pics and videos.

I am an ex South African, now living and working in the USA and enjoying the wonderful freedom of gun ownership in the GUNSHINE state of Florida.

I have a very strong 'FRENCH CONNECTION' as well. First - my daughter is married to a very nice young Frenchman and they live in Lyon (co-incidence!!!) - I will have to go visit them and set some time aside to meet some of you guys!! Secondly - ancestors on my mother's side were French Hugenots.

Lets share some good french cheese and bread and wine!!! :D

MaxFR
July 30, 2008, 12:16 PM
About wolf ammo, I think we have the same poor quality, but it's the sheapest ammo we can find (but I'm reloading my ammo)
hunting is very popular, but restricted too, we can't hunt with "military" caliber like 223, 308. Special caliber have been "created" for hunting (222, 7x64 etc...) and rifle can't contains more than 3 shots (in France).

Hand-gun hunting is forbidden. But i'm not hunter, i can't developp.

MaxFR
July 30, 2008, 12:22 PM
-> legalAlien : You're welcome, that's fine your daughter is living in (or near) Lyon.

When you'll come here, don't forget to tell us !

nambu1
July 30, 2008, 12:25 PM
Nice collection.

Halo
July 30, 2008, 01:11 PM
Great pics! Are the old MAS rifles popular in France? I have a MAS 36 in excellent condition but I do not shoot it often because 7.5x54 ammo is not very common here.

Proof that you have "reloader's disease" is when you can look at all those pictures and mainly notice that nice brass on the ground!

chaim
July 30, 2008, 01:45 PM
I somehow missed this thread when it was first posted a year ago, but since it has been reborn...

I thought you Frenchmen were supposed to be known for your style. So, why all the Glocks in drop holsters, you should have some nice iron like a good revolver, 1911, or Hi Power there (and leather, no nylon). Gosh, my illusions have been shattered :neener:


About the question of flame outside a short barrel, here is the answer

Are you sure that is a rifle and not a WWII era flamethrower :what:

Vaarok
July 30, 2008, 02:24 PM
Very good to see shooters in other countries having fun, but it is a disappointment to see no MAS-49/56 or other French firearms used.

Calibre44
July 30, 2008, 03:17 PM
30 cal slob wrote: oh Dear.

your English neighbors are going to get a seriously bad case of hardware envy

Yep more than you know! … still hurts to see all those beautiful handguns - memories:(

We can still own the rifles, shotguns and BP Revolvers and even the AR15s, although the ‘evil black rifles’ have to be ‘neutered’ to ‘Straight Pull’ instead of semi-auto.

Marvellous pics – thank you

Rubber_Duck
July 30, 2008, 04:46 PM
If I did my math correctly, thats approx. $233 for a case of ammo (even though it's Wolf, but if it works in your gun then use it!). Not bad, but wow your ARs are expensive over there! Too bad you guys can't come over here, pick up some Bushmaster or CMMG AR-15s, and take them back to France with you.

MaxFR
July 30, 2008, 05:54 PM
Chaim : yes my little kitty seems to be flamethrower when night arrive...

Vaarok: that was an AR15 day, so only assault rifle, but in France, there is some challenge which called TAR (Tir aux Armes Réglementaires = shooting with military rifle and gun) and you can see MAS36, 49/56 , SIG, AR15 , FAMAS, US mod 17 etc... I'll try to find some pics.

Tactical_Rubber_Duck : you make me cry !! you're right, our dream is to come in your country, choose and buy, and come back with al ot of goodies, but that's impossible...

Some month ago, we eared that Buhsmaster and S&W MP15 should be imported in France, but french gunsmith let down : too hard to get import licence from our states of dept.

Shung
July 30, 2008, 06:22 PM
AHahah I can see at least 2 things on those pictures that are mine !!!

It was a GREAT day !!!

anytime !!!

romma
July 31, 2008, 01:53 PM
Are those French AR-15s' all semi-auto? Any Full-auto in there?

barman
July 31, 2008, 07:12 PM
semi autos.

Full autos have been banned since 1995.

Shung
July 31, 2008, 07:33 PM
Those AR-15france meeting are very nice ! I hope to attend the next one as well.

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