Powder for .223 (55 Grain) Load


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fmnnc
October 5, 2007, 09:07 PM
I'm planning on taking a trip to the local gunshop tomorrow for the purpose of getting some reloading supplies. This will be the first time I've reloaded my 223's and I'm trying to decide on a powder.

My data manual says H335 "was originated as a military powder used for the 5.56 NATO, or 223 Remington" and has been a favorite of J.B Hodgdon for years.

VARGET seems to have some outstanding qualities and is recommended for the .223 as well.

I'd like to hear the recommendations of the group about these two powders or any other recommendation.

Thanks

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RecoilRob
October 5, 2007, 09:19 PM
H335 meters great, is consistant and produces accurate ammo with excellent velocity for the pressures produced.

You might get better performance with other powders, but if you do, it won't be by much. H335 is a VERY safe and good choice for the .223 Remington.

Most rifles seem to like 26 grns with the 55 pill.

RustyFN
October 5, 2007, 09:30 PM
I agree, H335 is a very good powder. The other powder I like in 223 is W748. Both powders meter great in my powder measure.
Rusty

NuJudge
October 5, 2007, 09:32 PM
I read the same stuff about H335, but could not get it to shoot. I found someone writing about 26.5 gr 748 with CCI primers and 52 gr bullets, and it shot exceedingly well. I have found the IMR 4895 shoots very well with 68 and 69 gr bullets. I have found Re 15 to shoot exceedingly well with Sierra 80's.

I shoot all these in ARs. I'm not really adventurous, I stop when I find something that shoots really well. If you find something that works well for you, tell us about it.

CDD

Bear2000
October 5, 2007, 09:41 PM
Hi,

I'm thinking of starting to reload .223, perhaps with one of the powders mentioned here. I was wondering what reloading generally costs per round if I already have used brass. Currently I'm spending .30-35/round on UltraMax, which I actually like more than Remington 223.

Thanks.

Bear

mc223
October 5, 2007, 09:48 PM
I have had excellent performance with H-335. Some other good powders for 55s, are BL-C2, Benchmark, H4895, N-135, Varget, AA2230 and 748.
Primers are key to good performance and some just work better with certain powders.
CCI BR-4s seem to be best with the Hodgdon "extremes".
Rem 7― work well with most Ball powders, like 748 and AA2230.
WSRs have given me a headache or two over time from piercing.
Fed 205 and 205M are good for most powders but your individual results could vary.

GRIZ22
October 5, 2007, 09:56 PM
I use A2230 or IMR3031. These have always worked well for me and I also use them in 7.62 NATO.

taliv
October 5, 2007, 10:10 PM
varget is fantastically consistent, but meters like gravel. sierra lists it as their accuracy load.

if you're mass-producing 55g or 62g plinking, defense, shtf ammo, by all means, use H335.

varget is a whole lot more popular in High Power circles. In fact, I don't know anyone personally who isn't shooting varget, vv, or R15

taliv
October 5, 2007, 10:21 PM
bear, an 8lb jug of powder can be had for around $100 if you look hard enough. buy 4. wolf primers are $90 per 5000. buy 2. 5000 bullets are $345. buy 2.

that's components for 10,000 rnds for $1,275, or $128/1000 rnds plus brass and sweat.


edit: btw, if you bought 10k rnds of factory ammo at say, $400/1000, that's $4000, and a savings of $2725. Alternatively, if you bought 10k of wolf crapola at $250/1000, you're only ahead $1225, but you will have missed out on practicing 2000 malfunction drills.

GunTech
October 5, 2007, 10:34 PM
+1 for taliv.

It's easy to find WC846 for about $100 for an 8lbs jug. I buy my M855 bullets from RVO for $40/thousand, new military 5.56 cases for $90 per thousand. I've picked up once fired right here for $60/thousand.

Is it the ultimate match ammo? no, but it's gtreat for tactical comps where you shoot a lot of rounds at reasonable ranges.

taliv
October 5, 2007, 10:47 PM
thx for the headsup on rvo bullets. i was buying m193 from hi-techammo for $75/3000 until they ran out, and now $345/5000 for new m193 from wideners.

$35/1000 with pull marks is a good deal, but the problem with it is the tactical comps you mentioned. it eats up steel. still, for that price, i might have to sort them by stages or something.

Bear2000
October 5, 2007, 11:26 PM
Well, that sure is worth it. I'm going to see if I can't find someone at my gun club to teach me the art.

RecoilRob
October 6, 2007, 12:58 AM
Bear,
If I may, reloading is a discipline...not an art. Published data from a reliable source is to be followed strictly....lest bad things happen.

It isn't hard to find pressure tested loads for just about any powder/projo combo you can think of that will be safe to follow...provided that you start under and work up to the published numbers. Encounter ANY signs of pressure....STOP!! Pretty simple, actually.

And, if you have a combo in mind that you cannot find anywhere.....there is a reason you cannot find it. Probably because it doesn't work well or is potentially dangerous.

As you are interested in costs, surplus WC844 is identical to H335 and can sometimes be found for the $10/8lb as mentioned. I use it a lot and it works well....so long as you weigh the charges and check them often during the load session.

nitesite
October 6, 2007, 01:56 AM
I've settled on Hodgdon powders for the most part.

H335 is good, especially for some of the shorter barrelled AR15s. So is H322. H335 measures great, while H322 is a bit more coarse (but is still good with most powder dispensers as long as you don't approach MAX loads).

Varget is a terrific powder for 20" guns although it meters poorly unless you weigh each individual charge.

Varget and H322 are Extreme Powders which means they are almost impervious to temperature extremes. If your ammo lays out in the hot sun or is saturated with freezing temps the pressures remain pretty much consistent across the temperature spectrum. Also, the Hodgdon Extreme load data was developed without the use of magnum primers.

Zeke Menuar
October 6, 2007, 11:16 AM
I tried both H335 and Varget. I picked Varget because it meters flawlessly in my PPM.

H335 makes a mess in my PPM and on my bench. It works in the Lee disc measure but I can't get the exact load I want.
I have a pound of H335 laying around. Once I get enough brass I'll be using it up for blasting ammo.

FWIW. At my last range session, I shot several ridiculous three shot groups in a row including a three shot group covered with a dime at 125 yards(pic available elsewhere on THR for the non-believers). This was with Varget and Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT. Wasn't able to get that kind of pinpoint accuracy with H335.

ZM

stubbicatt
October 6, 2007, 11:29 AM
H335 is the standard by which others are measured for the 55 grain bullets. That said, I've come to really like Ramshot TAC, and sometimes it is a little less expensive at about $75 per 8#

KI.W.
October 6, 2007, 11:35 AM
N-133 very clean burning and benchrest shooters powder is the best ones....Donīt buy it please because it is hard to find here in Finland. I think USA takes it too much.....ok; forget N-133. Ihave only 2 kilos.

nitesite
October 6, 2007, 04:22 PM
I should have mentioned earlier that after experimenting with 55-gr bullets over AA2230, H335, BL-(C)2 and H322 I have settled on Varget. I measure it thru my Lyman DPS1200-II, and shoot a Bushmaster XM15 E2S with a 20" stainless heavy target barrel with A2 sights.

Perhaps with a scoped rifle I would select a different powder, who knows.

H322 is my second runner up, but I've just bought an 8-pound jug of Varget.

trueblue1776
October 9, 2007, 11:31 PM
stubbicat- How is Ramshot TAC for gas system fouling?

XD-40 Shooter
October 10, 2007, 12:42 AM
I bought some H-4895 to load 55 grain and 60 grain bullets with, to be fired out of a Mini-14.

ReloaderFred
October 10, 2007, 12:55 AM
I've used Winchester 748 almost exclusively for .223 for about 30 years and have never had a reason to change. I've still got a target I shot in 1980 that has 5 shots in 5/8" at 200 yards with a 55 grain bullet, Win. 748 and WSR primers.

Hope this helps.

Fred

dcloco
October 10, 2007, 01:01 AM
Buy a selection and find out what shoots the best in your rifle for accuracy.

If you are reloading to shoot for fun/volume, buy the cheapest ball powder you can find.

SOUTHERNHUNTER
October 10, 2007, 09:45 PM
Myself I use H-4895.I found that it works very well in the .224 family.I use it in my 223 and 22-250.

fatelk
October 10, 2007, 10:43 PM
I buy my M855 bullets from RVO for $40/thousand
I just did a search and found their website. Has anyone ordered from them recently? Is their site up-to-date as far as availability and pricing? Some of their prices seem too good to be true.

fatelk
October 11, 2007, 01:29 PM
I tried calling the phone number on their site, all I get is a "memory full" message. I'm guessing they haven't updated their prices and aren't taking orders.

RustyFN
October 11, 2007, 07:01 PM
I'm thinking of starting to reload .223, perhaps with one of the powders mentioned here. I was wondering what reloading generally costs per round if I already have used brass. Currently I'm spending .30-35/round on UltraMax, which I actually like more than Remington 223.

Thanks.

Bear
It depends on the bullets you use. I bought my last batch of bullets from RVO and can load those for $95 per 1,000 rounds. I heard that Pats reloading has 55 grain tracers for $199 for 7,800 bullets.

thx for the headsup on rvo bullets. i was buying m193 from hi-techammo for $75/3000 until they ran out, and now $345/5000 for new m193 from wideners.

Taliv you can buy bullets without pull marks at RVO for $40 per 1,000. I have heard that you can buy new bullets from them also for $65 per 1,000. When I bought mine they were slow and took a couple of months to get. I know somebody that bought the tracers from Pats and it took two months for him to get them. I haven't seen the tracers yet so I don't know how they look. The 62 grain I got from RVO looked really good and I can kick myself for not buying more when I bought them.
Rusty

rino451
October 11, 2007, 07:20 PM
Ramshot TAC. Meters great in my RCBS uniflow. Main thing is that you didn't specify what you were reloading for. Blasting ammo powder (TAC) may be different from power used in match ammo (Varget for instance.)

Also stubbicatt, That said, I've come to really like Ramshot TAC, and sometimes it is a little less expensive at about $75 per 8#

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sublimaze41
October 11, 2007, 07:32 PM
H322. I have a bunch of it and it shoots clean and smooth. It doesn't give the highest FPS, but plenty for my plinkin purposes. I love H322 because it is temperature insensitive. After thisn I am gonna make my way back to
AA2230. That stuff meters like butter and has a bit more zip.

YodaVader
October 11, 2007, 08:36 PM
Using H335 , 55 grain match Bergers and Rem 7 1/2 primers has resulted in some of the best accuracy I have ever experienced in the .223. or any rifle caliber for that matter. As mentioned above the H335 meters very precisely, it is extremely consistent in my Hornady or Harrel powder measure.

Benchmark is another that has given me excellent accuracy with the 55 as well as the 69 match.

jhansman
October 12, 2007, 12:07 AM
I voted for H335, 'cause it shoots so well in my Savage 12VLP, but H322 is coming on strong. I haven't been able to get any consistency with Varget yet. More research...:)

Freedom in theSkies
October 12, 2007, 02:08 AM
I have loaded all the popular powders in .223 Remington and I gotta admit that H4198 had the tightest group out of my Ruger KM77VT Mk II with a grouping of just over 9/16ths at 200 yds. Wow! Was I ever pumped after that. Kept the target just for grins.

For semi-auto, 335 is great and hard to make a "bad round" with. Cycles grat and pretty accurate in my Ruger Mini14 and my AR15.

Although a lighter bullet at 50gr., TNTs' fly great with 748. Hundreds of gophers will attest that is even better than REDBULL... It gives them wings and halos' !

The-Fly
October 12, 2007, 02:41 AM
i've been using 2230 (25gr charge weight with 55gr fmj), with very good results. I am going to try Tac though, heard it works good with the 55gr and 77gr bullets, and its a bit cheaper too.

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