Goody Guns... or "Wow, JPFO is out there this time..."


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Jorg Nysgerrig
October 6, 2007, 11:00 PM
http://www.goodyguns.com/

I have no idea how anyone can take these guys seriously. I can only imagine conversation that lead to this idea.

"So, what do you think we should do about the idea that images of guns are offensive to society?"
"Hm, perhaps we could educate people not to be afraid of the item."
"Not bad, but I'm hoping for something with a little more punch"
"Ok, how about we try to dispel that idea that guns represent violence and instead promote them as symbol of self-reliance and freedom."
"Ooo, that is good. But let's try thinking outside the box a bit more."
"How about a cookie cutter than allows you to make sugar cookies for kids in the shape of a gun."
"BRILLIANT!"
"Wait, what? No no, I was kidding... I mean, that would be as silly as thinking a gun-shaped grilled cheese sandwich could be used to promote the right to keep and bear arms."
"Gun-shaped grilled cheese sandwiches, BRILLIANT!"
"Wait, so you want to make gun-shaped food items for kids to put in their mouth. That seems kind of strange. I mean, what mother would want her little angels putting the barrel of a gun shaped cookie in their mouth. That's quite a bit more disturbing than systematically dismember gingerbread men."
"Well, we tell them to eat it from the back end and make sure they don't put the muzzle of the gun cookie at anyone."
"..."
"What? It's a great idea! We'll do a whole campaign around the idea. Why are you looking at me like that?"
"I'm waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out and tell me I'm on Punk'd."

If it wasn't linked off the JPFO main page, I would think it was satire. Here we are with huge things going on between Heller, upcoming elections, HR 2640, California's microstamping bill, etc, and this is what JPFO gives us.

Part of me wants to believe that it was intended as some kind of comic-relief, but a larger part of me thinks JPFO considers this an important project.

Here's a link to the press release: http://www.jpfo.org/alert20071003.htm

This is probably my favorite part.
Goody Guns can be used to teach kids elementary gun safety -- eat your Goody Gun from the back end; never point the muzzle at yourself or anbody else

Then again, maybe I'm wrong in thinking the best way to teach kids about guns and gun ownership is to get them involved shooting, not have them bake cookies.

I'm all for the notion of removing the fetishistic mystique of guns in an attempt to make gun ownership seem as mundane as anything else, but I sure don't see this taking us there.

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Big45
October 6, 2007, 11:09 PM
I don't think it is a good idea.

Zundfolge
October 6, 2007, 11:12 PM
Thats awesome ... if I had a kid I'd stamp their sandwiches just to see if they get expelled from school.

So is it kosher to use that with a ham sandwich?

My only problem is they look too much like a Hipoint.

Jorg Nysgerrig
October 6, 2007, 11:20 PM
So is it kosher to use that with a ham sandwich?
See, you say that as a joke, but click on their recipe section. They have both kosher and non-kosher cookies. ;)

Warren
October 6, 2007, 11:25 PM
What has more calories the 9mm or the .45?

Robert Hairless
October 6, 2007, 11:31 PM
The proper answer to Question 11, C, f on ATF Forum 4473 is "No," but many gun owners seem to disagree. :)

Jorg Nysgerrig
October 6, 2007, 11:39 PM
The proper answer to Question 11, C, f on ATF Forum 4473 is "No,"

Question 11 on 4473: If you are not a citizen of the United States, what is your INS-issued alien number or admission number.

:confused:

G36-UK
October 6, 2007, 11:55 PM
The proper answer to Question 11, C, f on ATF Forum 4473 is "No,"
Question 11 on 4473: If you are not a citizen of the United States, what is your INS-issued alien number or admission number.


Oookay.

Any chance they sell them to the UK? I mean, I don't think we're so far gone that we'd ban that (though to be frank, I have my doubts).

esheato
October 7, 2007, 12:06 AM
When the antis see this, it'll just reinforce the stereotype that we're a bunch of wackos. I sincerely hope this program gets nixed.

Ed

Regolith
October 7, 2007, 12:08 AM
As a novelty item: Sure, why the hell not.

As an educational tool: :scrutiny: Nope, not seeing it.

Davo
October 7, 2007, 12:54 AM
I hear the UN is already trying to ban sales of these to Africa and Asia.

Soybomb
October 7, 2007, 01:03 AM
Seems relatively pointless other than getting the anti's all worked up. That can be fun sometimes, as long as they don't take it seriously, as it looks like they might be, it seems harmless.

Wes Janson
October 7, 2007, 01:19 AM
I'm sorry, but that whole idea is wrong for so many different reasons. From the direct literal level, to the political arena, it's the sort of thing they can only be excused for on 04/01. JPFO's credibility just jumped out a window, as far as I'm concerned.

PTK
October 7, 2007, 01:29 AM
Could someone please explain to me why it's wrong to have a cookie cutter in a gun shape? It's an ordinary, everyday shape to make something.

I don't see the harm, but I also don't see the big deal in selling them.

cnorman18
October 7, 2007, 01:52 AM
Well, okay, but not during Passover.

No religious reason--you just can't use a cookie cutter on matzoh.

This isn't the dumbest idea I've ever seen--that would be edible underwear--but it's in the top ten.

I can see taking these to a school bake sale and getting taken away in a rubber truck by men with butterfly nets.

What's next? Gun-shaped Popsicle trays?

(...something tells me I shouldn't have thought of that...)

bogie
October 7, 2007, 03:07 AM
Somewhere, there's a very, very, very stoned guy wearing a yarmulke... Or however the heck it's spelled...

WeedWhacker
October 7, 2007, 06:04 AM
The underlying idea is apparently to try to find a way to kickstart the remains of the "gun culture". Their approach may be a bit odd, but the idea sure seems sound.

I go about this by inviting friends out to shoot. It's neat to see how someone's opinion changes in favor of the firearm when they actually use one for the first time.

Neo-Luddite
October 7, 2007, 10:18 AM
A little theater of the absurd, performed by those with serious intent, isn't the worst thing for a cause. The JPFO is very hard core RKBA, but at least they are having some fun.

I bet it would be a good pancake form as well--my kids get tired of stars and pooh bear heads.

El Tejon
October 7, 2007, 12:04 PM
Very cool. My nephews will love it.:)

Bruce333
October 7, 2007, 02:03 PM
The proposed use may be new, but gun shaped cookie cutters have been around for quite a while.

http://www.coppergifts.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2254&welcome=385
http://www.cakescookiesandcraftsshop.co.uk/acatalog/Revolver-Gun-Stainless-Steel-Cookie-Cutter.html

milo z
October 7, 2007, 04:10 PM
The underlying idea is apparently to try to find a way to kickstart the remains of the "gun culture".

In what way is the 'gun culture' not stronger today than ever before?

There may be restrictions that didn't exist once upon a time: the pre-86 years for full auto and such - but shooting as a hobby/sport/self-defense or martial art is bigger today than in the past.

We have no national 'assault weapon' ban.
EBRs are far more popular than ever.
Every major gun manufacturer is in good financial health and generally putting out a good product.
The 'party of gun control' has loudly backed away from the issue as a rallying cry, realizing it costs them votes and that a not-insignificant of their regular supporters own guns.

Ammo prices aside - and that's a function of war and consumer demand (ie lots of shooters) - the 'gun culture' and gun industry have never been healthier.

yesit'sloaded
October 7, 2007, 08:27 PM
Honestly, If yall are freaking out over a cookie cutter because of it's shape you are just as bad as the antis. I want one or two for fun and excitement. Serving "Glock Steaks" at a party is a great way to start a gun conversation without mentioning dead crooks or a new revolution. I think it's a great idea and more than a little tongue in cheek. If the liberals don't like it they can't have any of my cookies.

Citroen
October 7, 2007, 08:44 PM
I love it!! Glad I sent them my dues check.

John
Charlotte, NC

KC&97TA
October 7, 2007, 11:49 PM
I think they should teach the M16A2 and the M9 in HIGH SCHOOL!

How much worthless stuff did we learn in school? Why don't we teach self defense, marksmanship and combat mind set? I'm not trying to have teen agers dig in fighting possitions and emplace machine guns... I'm just looking for a hardened society, were the reasons and sacrifices that create a "fighting man" are made clear to everyone, everyone should be able to pick up a rifle and defend them selves... it would be a sad day if we were ever attacked on our soil, if our super power military was lost.

KC&97TA
October 7, 2007, 11:53 PM
....

Wes Janson
October 8, 2007, 12:17 AM
A little theater of the absurd, performed by those with serious intent, isn't the worst thing for a cause. The JPFO is very hard core RKBA, but at least they are having some fun.


I'm the last one to suggest that we should hide or try to downplay our interests in firearms, but there ARE actions that ultimately do more harm than good. Just wait until the latest gun control group picks up on it, because I guarantee they'll use it as an example of how we're all right-wing paranoid extremists trying to brainwash children.

frogomatic
October 8, 2007, 12:48 AM
this is the most foolish thing I've seen from the pro-gun community in a while.

milo z
October 8, 2007, 01:37 AM
Compared to Larry Pratt's rantings about Muslims, or any number of stupid t-shirts you can pick up at a gun show, this is harmless. Even if you don't compare it to those, I don't see a problem.

I might order one. I know my family would get a kick out of Christmas sugar cookies shaped vaguely like a Glock

PILMAN
October 8, 2007, 11:05 AM
I don't see the problem, not exactly something I'd buy as I just want to eat the damn cookie, but I think most people are overexaggerating here.

.cheese.
October 8, 2007, 11:29 AM
I just wish it were a little more of a likeness than it is.

TexasRifleman
October 8, 2007, 12:06 PM
Laugh if you want, but you KNOW you want a grilled cheese shaped like a gun.

I ordered a couple :)

Neo-Luddite
October 10, 2007, 10:20 AM
Honestly Wes, I think even an anti might end up looking absurd if they went after the cookie cutter.

arthurcw
October 10, 2007, 10:49 AM
Visa and Master Card spend Bagillions of $$$ every year to brand toys to train kids early that “going into debt is normal, and you want to be normal. Right?” Madison Av. understands that if you give them kiddos an innocuous object early that they are desensitized to the its related real world object later in life.

You can do that to adults to. Give them something that “looks” like a phobia and let them get comfortable with it then they are one step closer to conquering their fear.

So the only reason antis will flip is that they know this is a way to get a prybar into the phobia of guns in some people. Heck, the only reason antis flip out about anything is that they know small victories move the line. That’s how we got here today.

Stop worrying about what, “the antis will do when they get hold of this.” We can’t be afraid of or own shadows. Rule #1: The antis will HATE anything gun related in the hands of the people. Period. Full stop.

Besides… Yeah… I want a grilled cheese Glock.

Leitmotif
October 10, 2007, 11:43 AM
If no-one had pointed out that it was a gun shape, I'd never have noticed.

sterling180
October 10, 2007, 01:37 PM
I think that I would be hilarious if these things were given to the caterers,who prepared food for the GCN functions and the central governments own catering staff.

A .45 club or a Beretta cake,complete with icing 9mm and .45 shells.:evil::p:p

JesseL
October 10, 2007, 02:00 PM
I'm the last one to suggest that we should hide or try to downplay our interests in firearms, but there ARE actions that ultimately do more harm than good. Just wait until the latest gun control group picks up on it, because I guarantee they'll use it as an example of how we're all right-wing paranoid extremists trying to brainwash children.

They already say that every time they think someone can hear them. They say that about the Eddie The Eagle program, fercryinoutloud. This won't make them any more credible.

cracked butt
October 10, 2007, 02:52 PM
I put these in my preschooler's lunch sometimes. I tell him to bite their heads off first like he were a T-Rex- safety first you know.:D


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/Picture053.jpg


BTW, a month or so ago, he got a 'naughty note' from one of his teachers for making a 'finger gun' on the playground. When I got home from work I heard my wife lecturing him about it. He replied that he was just playing and that it wasn't a real gun. The wife then told him that it wasn't nice to make finger guns and can be dangerous. His reply to that one was "but mom, you can't kill anything by pointing your finger." Sometimes the logic of a 4 year old trumps that of so-called 'educated adults." :)

Notch
October 10, 2007, 05:02 PM
First off you can not assume that just because the JPFO was direct linked to this it was not meant to be taken in a humorous context. I can see how one might jump to that conclusion though, seeing how hardcore JPFO is about RTKBA. So far they have not sold out some gun owners for others, the NRA does that, they also have not spent dues on a fight against DOG SPAYING AND NUETERING as the NRA did whilst there were so many other more important fights going on. In my book those fellas are a lot more on track than the biggest organization of FUDS we have in our country.

WeedWhacker
October 13, 2007, 04:05 AM
In what way is the 'gun culture' not stronger today than ever before?

There may be restrictions that didn't exist once upon a time: the pre-86 years for full auto and such - but shooting as a hobby/sport/self-defense or martial art is bigger today than in the past.

We have no national 'assault weapon' ban.
EBRs are far more popular than ever.
Every major gun manufacturer is in good financial health and generally putting out a good product.
The 'party of gun control' has loudly backed away from the issue as a rallying cry, realizing it costs them votes and that a not-insignificant of their regular supporters own guns.


It's hard for me to gauge the strength of something which I wasn't around to witness and simply seems to have been either a non-issue (i.e. part of the culture), or otherwise taken for granted.

It's the "man on the street" problem that seems to be the problem. The majority of folks (the ones passing the laws) that are at best apathetic about firearms, or more likely, ignorantly hostile by way of supporting "stronger gun laws".

I've had the pleasure of introducing three people to firearms thus far; all showed mild interest during the 'safety and function' crash-course, but once out on the range and right after they take the first shot and realize the hole appeared where they were aiming, you can almost see the change in attitude take place: guns are no longer bad or uninteresting: firearms are powerful tools that can be a lot of fun, too!

I don't see how a cookie-cutter can prompt such a change in opinion, but if it prompts folks to ask about guns and find a friend to teach them and treat them to a range visit, I'm all for it.

hoppinglark
December 16, 2007, 11:13 AM
I ordered both the Glock and the Revolver cookie cutters, I'm planning on making
Glocklate Chip and Peanut Butter Magnum cookies for the Christmas party at work!

My step mom told me that her son, used to bite his sandwiches into a gun shape.
Some kids will think it's cool, some kids will not care what the shape is as long as it's sweet. This is just one of JPFO's many ways to have some fun and even stir things up with out being too bold or too serious.
Take a look at their Brasco the Liberty Bear greeting cards and You'll see what I mean.

I'm just disappointed that it's ONLY two basic guns, why not a sword and shield set for Hanukkah?!

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