Kimber Goes 10mm Auto


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agtman
July 11, 2003, 08:19 PM
The resurgence of the 10mm Auto continues. :)

A 10mm Stainless Target II from Kimber.

Detective Crockett would come out of retirement for one of these:

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pr.php

:cool:

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WonderNine
July 11, 2003, 08:23 PM
:eek:

I may have a new #1 on my to buy list. :D

Mossyrock
July 11, 2003, 08:49 PM
Oh, I am in SOOOO much trouble......

10-Ring
July 11, 2003, 09:14 PM
Oh great :banghead: LIMITED production which means there's another pistol I want that I won't have a chance in getting :(

Chupacabra
July 11, 2003, 09:16 PM
Ah man! I want one! :eek:

Time to start saving the pennies....

John Forsyth
July 11, 2003, 09:19 PM
Let's see, I already have a .45ACP CST (Pre II) and a Caspian single stack 10mm/.40S&W. I think I will pass, but I am glad to see they are making them.

CZF
July 12, 2003, 12:35 AM
GO TEN! Nice to see another gun company take a second look at the 10mm.

Of course, the Perfect gun for the FBI HRT and other teams has been
right in front of them all along.

A hi quality 1911 in 10MM. More power than a .45 acp. Shoots flatter
and offers better tactical penetration, should some real loads be utilized.

Would be even nicer to see the Kimber polymer framed pistols offered
in 10MM. More affordable for us folks who can't afford $1200, but $600
is ok.

They already have a good name for them. BP TEN:)

Tacblack
July 12, 2003, 02:53 AM
Does anyone else get tired of gunmakers only making other calibers in stainless finish. Kimber, Springfield and some others do this. Sorry to change thread point. I think its cool and they should make other calibers but I don't want a stainless finish.

Hope they do it the last rep I talked to told me years ago the 9mm, super and 40's were coming to the store and they never made them.

AndABeer
July 12, 2003, 07:08 AM
much as I wanna support any new 10 coming on the market, I have had too much trouble with the "II" series (both ends of the spectrum of full auto and failure to fire at all), the pre-"II"s were/are great pistols though

tlhelmer
July 12, 2003, 08:39 AM
Dont flame me for a question, but... Can a Kimber stand up to the extra wear and power of the 10mm?

John Forsyth
July 12, 2003, 08:55 AM
Do not see a problem there at all. Strength has not been one of Kimbers problems.

Sean Smith
July 12, 2003, 10:03 AM
Strength was never one of the 1911s problems in 10mm, though some of them had other (minor) design issues.

http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/10tech.html

agtman
July 12, 2003, 11:22 AM
"Of course the Perfect gun for the FBI HRT and other teams has been right in front of them all along. A high quality 1911 in 10MM ..."


You got that right.

And given their current design specs, a Bureau HRT 1911 in 10mm Auto would look almost identical to this:

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/2133793.jpg

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/2313805.jpg

:what: :neener:

LAPD SWAT likes their .45 Kimbers. Maybe the Bureau will take a cue from Kimber's new 10mm. Well, one can always hope. :scrutiny:

:cool:

nvrquit
July 12, 2003, 05:32 PM
... in an action style that I don't prefer(personal choice, not a blanket condemnation)!

Why can't CZ produce the CZ97B in a 10mm version. The CZ feel without dealing with the EAA to get it in a 10mm... ahhh, how sweeeeetttt it would be!

However, just seeing yet another NEW 10mm from a different maunfacturer is very heartening. Who ever said the 10mm was dead. Long live King10mm!


CZF,
$1200 makes me wince, $600 causes me to think hard on the decision(it can done, but it's not an automatic "okay"). Hey, I was raised Penna. Dutch style, so the thought is "money comes too slow and goes too fast".

Sean Smith
July 12, 2003, 07:53 PM
Read closer guys, the MSRP is $1,026, which means the street price will be more like $800 or so.

45R
July 12, 2003, 09:09 PM
10-Ring-

Dont worry about Limited Edition as it means that it will probably be sold next year as a production gun if the demand for this pistol is high enough.

Justin
July 12, 2003, 09:37 PM
Just out of curiosity, will the gun use standard 1911 magazines, or does it have it's own magazines?

Sorry, I'm just a big fan of magazine redundancy. :)

agtman
July 13, 2003, 10:21 AM
10mm mags.


The Kimber 10mm should be compatible with any 10mm mag that would work in other single-stack 10mm 1911s, e.g., Colt DE, DW Razorback, etc.

This would certainly include use of the 8-rd Colt factory DE mags, Wilson's 8-rd 10mm mag, Metalform's 8-rd mags (plus their as-yet-unseen 10-rd 10mm mag), CMC's 9-rd 10mm mags, and the new 9-&-10-rd CobraTripp 10mm/.40cal mags from the guy at Tripp Research.

In short, there should be plenty of mag options for the new 10mm Kimber.

CZF
July 13, 2003, 11:28 AM
Many people have urged CZ to make a 10mm. Mostly those
seeking a Compact version of the 97B in TEN.

CZ-USA makes up only 15% of the world-wide CZUB market.
The powers that be at CZ don't want to make any gun that
will only sell to a few thousand people.

Feasibility:
All that is needed to make a TEN out of the current 97B is a Bar-Sto
or other custom barrel. Then add Witness mags. They and .45 mags
are both made by Mec-Gar.

Durability:
The 97B was designed around S&B Hardball ammo. I really doubt
if the existing 97B design's muzzle bushing would stand up to the
pounding of hot 10mms. Maybe- i'm wrong about this.

I only run Hardball in my 97B, but find myself shooting 10mm more
and more. The Witness doesn't have/need a threaded barrel bushing
and i think is a superior platform for the 10mm.

Have you guys seen the new Witness Hunter Pro??

http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/pistols/hunting/hunterprowords.shtml

Sean Smith
July 13, 2003, 12:15 PM
Holy crap! :eek:

First the Razorback, then the Kimber 10mm, and now this... so much for the dead cartridge! :D

Mike Irwin
July 13, 2003, 01:12 PM
Limited production and the platforms on which they're based means that those are going to be VERY expensive guns.

I'd be interested in one in .38 Super, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that retail is going to be in the $1,500 range.

Sean Smith
July 13, 2003, 01:28 PM
I doubt they will be THAT much, since the MSRP of the basic version of the same gun is only $449.

Boats
July 13, 2003, 01:35 PM
LAPD SWAT likes their .45 Kimbers. Maybe the Bureau will take a cue from Kimber's new 10mm. Well, one can always hope.


Yeah, until then the Bureau will just have to make do with the thoroughly crappy Springfield Professional firing 230 gr Golden Sabres.:rolleyes: Never mind that the Springer beat all comers in T&E and was designated to be .45ACP--they'll go with an untested 10mm someday.

I have nothing against the 10mm, but it doesn't make anyone more dead than a .45ACP, on headshots especially when we are talking about pistols with 8+1 capacity that are New York reloads to a subgun. All 10mm would do for the FBI HRT is raise the cost of their practice ammo.

Zundfolge
July 13, 2003, 01:37 PM
Now I've got visions of a 10mm Ultra CDP floating around in my head :D


As for magazines, I would think it will be able to use any 1911 .40s&w mags

HBK
July 13, 2003, 02:38 PM
Hmmmm...makes me think about buying a new gun, even though I'm not a big fan of 1911s. Now if I could only figure out a way to make it hold 17 rounds...

tetchaje1
July 14, 2003, 11:02 AM
Dan Wesson Razorback = 1911 10mm, forged frame and slide, and match barrel and bushing for $250 less.

falconer
July 14, 2003, 11:41 AM
Droooooooool

Mike Irwin
July 14, 2003, 12:07 PM
"I doubt they will be THAT much, since the MSRP of the basic version of the same gun is only $449."

Where are you finding the Stainless Targets for that price?

The cheapest, and I mean the absolute cheapest, I've seen for a Kimber Stainless Target is just a shade under $750.

agtman
July 14, 2003, 12:51 PM
For the "Team Match II" in .38 Super, the Kimber site says it's $1352 (MSRP). The 10mm & 9mm Stainless Target II models are about $300 less at $1026 (MSRP).

My guess, but thru a "friendly" FFL and/or at "street price," the 10mm model will go for around $850.

Sean Smith
July 14, 2003, 01:11 PM
Where are you finding the Stainless Targets for that price?

Huh? I thought you were referring to the Witness that was referred to right before your post... :confused:

Mike Irwin
July 14, 2003, 01:56 PM
No, I was talking about the Kimber in .38 Super.

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