Dedicated Car Gun?


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Rudolf_FL
October 10, 2007, 12:41 AM
Hi folks,

I am thinking of putting a dedicated car gun in my vehicle.
Hope to never have to use it but if so, would like to avoid getting deaf.
Any idea of the noise level of the different calibers if fired with the windows closed?

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Car Knocker
October 10, 2007, 12:53 AM
This chart may be of some help: http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml

wally
October 10, 2007, 01:07 AM
If you really need it your hearing is the least of your worries, folks I know who've fired shots in anger say they never heard the gun go off.

In any event they will all be painfully loud! As in well above the threshold of pain.

I recommend going into the smallest most confined indoor range you can find and fire off a few full house .357 magnums so you know what you might expect. In the Houston area, Pasadena Gun Center is the place :) I do recommend you use hearing protection for this test.

--wally.

Mmmmm 460
October 10, 2007, 02:07 AM
I had a "friend" negligently discharge his 9mm in my vehicle one time (bullet went through the right passenger side window). Both windows were closed, and the pain was intense in the ears. I noticed that the left side hurt worse than the right side, because the sound bounced off my window.

The pain went away quickly, and minutes later the ringing started. There was a time of "underwater" or muffled sound. I would think the odds of a defensive situation are so low that sound will not be as much as a worry, so don't factor such in IMO.

Oh, and I recomend a 357sig or 10mm

Ala Dan
October 10, 2007, 08:50 AM
Any caliber, from .22LR on up is going too be deafing when fired from inside a
vechile~! :scrutiny::(

bigmike45
October 10, 2007, 08:52 AM
My car gun, a Taurus PT-145 and spare magazine...concealed of course.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/P1010001.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/P1010003.jpg

wally
October 10, 2007, 09:05 AM
I'd add a cheap IWB nylon holster to cover the triggger guard. While unlikely, more than one ND has resulted from a gun carried loose in a purse when lipstick or pen worked its way inside the trigger guard and fired it. Bouncing around in the center console is not so different.

--wally.

crankshop1000
October 10, 2007, 09:32 AM
I keep a RIA 1911A1 locked and loaded in a nylon holster in my truck with an extra loaded mag.Road tunes.

1 old 0311
October 10, 2007, 10:37 AM
Something stainless.

DavidLee
October 10, 2007, 02:04 PM
Ahhhh CCW.. Man that must be nice.
I'm stuck here in communist Illinois, I live in good friendly town, but I work in East St. Louis, some times I have to drive through the town for some parts here and there... You know all the rumors and jokes you hear about this place? Their not rumors, or jokes lol

It'd make me feel a halluvalot more confident 'round here if I had some backup tucked away.

Storm
October 10, 2007, 02:14 PM
My car (H3) gun is a PT111 MilPro with two extra mags and a CaseGuard with 50 rounds. Once I get my PT145 MilPro broken it it will replace the 111. I keep it in the center console. I also have tethered to the passenger seat a lockbox for instances when I enter a restricted area where the gun must be locked away.

possum
October 10, 2007, 02:55 PM
i have been thinking about that lately, and i am leaning heavy toward one of the Hoffners spec rails that would mount in the truck, gun and spare mag, and light all kinds of configs. i guess that the ruger p345 would be a good canidate for the truck.

halvey
October 10, 2007, 03:26 PM
Not a good idea IMO. I'd never leave a gun unattended in a car.

rcmodel
October 10, 2007, 03:36 PM
+1
I would Never leave a gun & ammo unattended in a car!

Over the last few years, my truck has been broken into twice while setting in my driveway. Once they got a bunch of quarters, and once they got everything except the owners manual, which I found down the street the next day.

My sons truck has been broken into three times to clean out his stereo equipment each time.

If some scumbag kid or Druggie is going to steal my truck, or just the car-wash change in the ashtray, I sure as hell am not going to provide him with a Gun and Ammo to further his criminal carrier.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

Handyguy
October 10, 2007, 06:37 PM
Right on! I would NEVER leave one of my guns sitting alone in a vehicle for some punk to take. Bad enought to have to think about the possibility of them taking tools and other "stuff" after breaking your window(s).

finnerandr
October 10, 2007, 07:50 PM
If you must leave it unattended in your car, the least you can do is lock it up in a safe. Something like this from www.center-of-mass.com. Relatively cheap and attatches to the seat rail via a sturdy cable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/finnerandr/LSideView1911.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/finnerandr/CableInstall3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/finnerandr/SafeRetrieve5.jpg

BamBam-31
October 10, 2007, 09:51 PM
Here's a novel idea: http://www.consolevault.com/gun_safe.html

M2 Carbine
October 11, 2007, 10:33 AM
My idea of a car gun is to have something available that's more powerful than what you are carrying.

Loud noise is a problem no matter what gun you use.
Compared to being forced to shoot someone noise isn't going to be a big concern.

My vehicle 24/7 hand guns are a couple Ruger Stainless Security Six .357.

Storm
October 11, 2007, 11:44 AM
If you must leave it unattended in your car, the least you can do is lock it up in a safe. Something like this from www.center-of-mass.com. Relatively cheap and attatches to the seat rail via a sturdy cable.

This is exactly what I have. I highly recommend it.

As to leaving a gun in a car, I am not going to let someone committing a crime (breaking into my vehicle) define how I defend myself from someone else committing a crime. I want my gun to be there if and when I need it not "Oops, I forgot to put my gun in the car." If you start with that kind of reasoning you'd best have everything locked down and bolted to the floor 24/7 everywhere all of the time.

xjchief
October 11, 2007, 02:07 PM
That little car "safe" looks like it would take about 6 seconds to take. A simple cut of the cable with even a pair of tin snips and the box is gone to be opened a the thief's leisure. I think you might be kidding yourself with that thing- Better than nothing at all I guess but not much imho.

Storm
October 11, 2007, 02:38 PM
Looking at the cable I'd say more like bolt cutters.

You certainly have well outfitted thieves in you neck of the woods, carrying bolt cutters, or even tin snips. Around my parts it's a rock through the glass, a quick grab, and and a quicker run. Not much time for hand tools.

ChickenHawk
October 11, 2007, 02:57 PM
As to leaving a gun in a car, I am not going to let someone committing a crime (breaking into my vehicle) define how I defend myself from someone else committing a crime.I agree with you that far. But, I skip the safe. I keep a P3AT in my console (similar to the picture above).

If I have to get out my key and unlock the gun from the car-safe before I can use it I might as well not have it. If you have time for all that you should use it to drive away and escape instead!

As for a thief stealing my gun; if that happens then he has escalated his petty theft to a felony and he will pay the price.

Cheers,
ChickenHawk

BamBam-31
October 11, 2007, 03:32 PM
Well, the idea is you unlock it when you get in the car and lock it when you leave. That way, it's stored in a locked container when you're not around (anyone have kids?) and is no slower access-wise than the gun in the unsecured console.

Won't the case on a cable fly around if you brake real hard?

Landric
October 11, 2007, 09:04 PM
I have the same little lock box in my car. It works very nicely, and I've never had it slide out from under my seat. The cable is pretty heavy, tin snips wouldn't do the trick. I'm sure bolt cutters would, but most crooks don't carry them around.

My car gun is a S&W 4046. It was very inexpensive, so on the off chance it gets stolen, it won't break the bank. It is, however, a full-size handgun that is easy to shoot well, very accurate, holds a reasonable amount of ammunition fully loaded (12 rounds), has night sights, and is totally reliable. I keep a holster for it in the glove box, just in case it needs to become a impromptu carry gun. The reason I chose this gun is the magazine disconnect. I can take the magazines with me when I leave the gun in the car. Then, even if someone does steal it, they are going to have to come up with a S&W .40 magazine before they can shoot it.

My car is not exactly an appealing target for thieves anyway, I don't leave valuable items sitting out in plain view, I always lock my doors, and I have a factory stereo. The huge majority of crooks are going to pass it by for those reasons anyway. It could still be broken into of course, but I think its worth the risk to always have a full-size handgun available.

Storm
October 11, 2007, 09:40 PM
By coincidence we had an article in the lcoal paper here in north Metro Atlanta about a rash of car break-ins. It's always the same each year. Car break-ins get heavy in October. Enforcement in that area sends them to the malls for muggings and purse grabs, usually in November. Then when they clamp down on that they get despertate and the home invasions begin. Always the same pattern.

At any rate, the car break-ins are the exact same as always. As usual, a rock through the window and a quick grab for anything visible and a quick rumage through unlocked gloveboxes. By far the most common item that attracts them, at least in this area, is laptops sitting out in plain sight.

As to the lockbox, with the tether it slides under the seat and is way out of sight. The rear windows are smoked so even if it was out it wouldn't entice anyone as it couldn't be seen. The braided steel security cable ins't going to get cut with anything short of bolf cutters. Unless they steal the car the gun is secure.

brickeyee
October 11, 2007, 10:26 PM
Make sure you have good lube on any gun left in a vehicle.
The hot cold cycles and uncontrolled humidity cause condensation and rust in short order.
Stainless is a little better, but salt from handling can cause pitting without some protection.

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