Requesting CCW excemption from no weapons policy?


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MudPuppy
October 10, 2007, 12:46 PM
I am going to request our corporate policy on no weapons be updated to exempt valid CCW permit holders.

I'd like to be able to provide wording on this as an example--has anyone previously drafted a letter of this nature and be willing to share the wording?

TIA

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kludge
October 10, 2007, 02:00 PM
There was a thread on this topic not too long ago...

I can't find it.

One way that might not ruffle too many feather is this...

"Illegal possession of firearms in the workplace is strictly forbidden. Disciplince up to an including termination may result."


People who don't know about guns/CCW will gloss over that section of the company policy.

The corrollary of course, is that "legal possession" is not forbidden.

ilbob
October 10, 2007, 02:13 PM
maybe start with a policy that does not prohibit guns in the parking lot.

MudPuppy
October 10, 2007, 02:46 PM
Bah, my search kung fu is weak.

I'll keep looking. I don't want to start with a parking lot only request, I'd rather approach it by asking for everything, then dial back if I have to. And by dial back, I mean find another job.

kludge
October 10, 2007, 02:56 PM
It may have been in the old L&P, and I don't know if that forum is still available to search.

scurtis_34471
October 10, 2007, 04:41 PM
My company's policy goes into great detail on how having a license does not allow you to have a weapon anywhere on company property, including your car. The good news is that many of the company offices are in places where there is non-company parking nearby.

Prince Yamato
October 10, 2007, 04:57 PM
I think perhaps you should simply ask that they strike any mention of weapons from company policy. OR say something like:

unlicensed carry of a firearm is prohibited

which means, all CCW holders CAN carry, but criminals will be prosecuted.

BigO01
October 10, 2007, 06:12 PM
Prince the problem with what you suggest is a complete surrender of our 2A rights .

If we truly support the second Amendment we shouldn't agree with the dictators that we need their permission to protect ourselves .

CCW licensing is just another small step in giving over control to them while hoodwinking us into thinking we had a victory .

Why should any law abiding person need to jump through hoops to exercise their Constitutional rights in this country .

deck52
October 10, 2007, 11:56 PM
A good compromise would be to allow CCW permit holders to keep firearms in their locked vehicles on company property, as long as the guns are out of sight. The company would still have their gun free workplace, and the employees who have proven themselves to have clean criminal records and trustworthy by obtaining CCW permits would be able to have personal protection while driving to and from work. Be sure and make it clear to your employer what is involved in getting a CCW permit - the background checks, etc. This should be acceptable to any reasonable thinking employer, but as we know, many if not most employers are not thinking rationally.

MudPuppy
October 11, 2007, 12:22 AM
I got to be honest, I don't think that's a good compromise at all. We have had break-ins in the garage and you're without your protection during the "foot traffic" times of your day. Not to mention that any potential workplace violence. Keeping it in my car only provides me protection on the walk to my car (my wife and dog see me off--not sure which would be the bigger threat to the bad guy if I'm accosted in the morning) and during the freeway drive in.

I sent it in, basically asking for clarification if the policy was intended for illegal firearms only and would they mind going ahead and changing the wording and sending out the updated version. If we could get that by the end of the week, that'd be great. ;)

I'll keep you posted.

Robert Hairless
October 11, 2007, 03:01 AM
Perhaps you might want to consider taking a slightly different tack.

I know that as a faithful employee you certainly will comply with your employer's prohibition against bringing guns onto its premises, including by a holder of a state issued Concealed Weapons Permit. You might consider saying so in a letter to the human resources department and express absolute confidence that your employer has taken adequate measures to ensure that criminals and potential murderers will be prevented from doing so too. For that reason, you might conclude, you have absolutely no hesitation about placing your complete trust in the company's efforts to ensure a safe workplace for you and other employees. You therefore believe that there is no reason for you or any other employee to be concerned about a possible need to defend against such people while on the company's property, and you are grateful for the company's attention to detail.

I will say that I like your approach in your situation. My suggestion is based on some noodling that I've been doing. Mine might be better suited for addressing a corporation. Or maybe it would get you fired. Before you call me an "idiot" or argue with me, please read carefully what I wrote. No variation. Just what I wrote. I am not saying what others have said. :)

deck52
October 11, 2007, 06:12 PM
MudPuppy: I'm a realist, and the best you could get from a company that now prohibits all firearms on company property including the parking lot is what I suggested in post number 9. I know it sucks, but its better than nothing.

MudPuppy
October 11, 2007, 10:44 PM
Leaving my gun to be stolen in my car while a potential case of workplace violence leaves me at the mercy of someone who doesn't obey the rules hardly seems best case to me. Regardless, I'm not going to start with that as my goal.

I've got the request for an updated policy--we'll see how they respond.

makarova
October 27, 2007, 03:31 PM
You sir are clearly a threat not only to Western Civilization, but life on this planet as we know it! I'd love to buy you a beer sometime.
That said, I would like to offer two suggestions. (1) Mention in your letter that according to OSHA, workplace violence is one of the top causes of death and injury annually. (2) CC your letter to Corporate Legal. I suspect they would grok your letter in full. :what::evil::evil:

deck52
November 20, 2007, 06:37 PM
Mud Puppy:
How did your employer respond?

jeepmor
November 21, 2007, 05:13 AM
I think Kludge has the best idea yet. It won't even raise any eybrows.

CCW licensing is just another small step in giving over control to them while hoodwinking us into thinking we had a victory .

Are you doing anything to reverse this type of unconstitutional legislation? If not, well then, START. Hoodwinked or not, I can't go risking my liveliehood just because I don't agree with "The Man." I like my house, car, guns, lifestyle.

We should be conversing with Vermont and Alaska legislators that feel the same and ask them how they drove the process back to the 2nd Amendments original intent.

Double Naught Spy
November 21, 2007, 06:23 AM
I got to be honest, I don't think that's a good compromise at all. We have had break-ins in the garage and you're without your protection during the "foot traffic" times of your day. Not to mention that any potential workplace violence.

Leaving my gun to be stolen in my car while a potential case of workplace violence leaves me at the mercy of someone who doesn't obey the rules hardly seems best case to me. Regardless, I'm not going to start with that as my goal.

I see that you are an all-or-none person. I appreciate the perspective, but it is often one that fails in political situations and that is what you are in as you try to lobby to get your companies policies changed. Note that many legislatures will refuse to vote on a bill because it does not do enough of what they feel needs to be done. So they refuse to vote on it and the end result is that they end up with nothing.

Compromise is always that, compromise. However, you could be better off with a compromise than with your all or none approach which will likely fail because it is a fairly radical departure from what is currently in place.

Of course your goal isn't the compromise result, but something better. In WWII, we didn't start fighting Germany in Berlin.

So just curious, what was the wording of the request you sent in to your company?

MudPuppy
December 7, 2007, 05:10 PM
Just noticed the questions, I've been out of the office and running around all over.

No decision yet, but with this week's murders, I've asked that this be resolved one way or the other. It's obvious keeping the law abiding citizens unarmed only makes for a target rich environment of victims.

Hope to have resolution by Monday--and I'm optimistic.

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