[Cannonball888]

If only Davey Crockett had one of these at The Alamo!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/Cannonball888/AR15_BP.jpg


This was a experimental project by Tromix. I can't see a market for these except for felons who can only own BP guns.

[ArmedBear]

I'm surprised that a whole bunch of in-line hunters didn't bust down the door to buy one.

Maybe it wasn't ugly enough for them.

[George Hill]

You mean if Davie Crocket had a musket that was finicky about cleaning, full of lots of tiny critical parts, took an hour to clean properly, and jammed a lot?
Yeah, that would have been greaet.

[ArmedBear]

My AR has not jammed yet.

Neither have my muzzleloaders, though...:D

Now I'd rather clean the AR than the 1858, but man the Remmie is fun!

[mp510]

This was a experimental project by Tromix. I can't see a market for these except for felons who can only own BP guns.
That looks like standard AR lower, which even if used on a blackpowder gun is legally classified as a firearm.

[AntiqueCollector]

If it's a homemade reciever and made such that a centerfire/rimfire barrel cannot be added to convert it to a cartridge gun (like one of the old H&R break actions that could be turned into a normal single shot cartridge gun), it's still a muzzleloader legally...

[TomK]

First, you spend a fortune on one of those.....guns? Then you take it home and mount it on a special custom-built wall-rack. Then you install special lighting to accent the....gun? Then you arrange your most comfortable chair where you can sit and admire your new....gun? And now you are fully prepared to spend ALL your leisure time sitting and wondering---NOW WATNELL DO I DO WITH THE BLEEPIN' THING? Almost as much fun (and almost as useful) as watching a collection of old Jerry Springer shows on cd. :barf:
TomK

[Dithsoer]

Just because it isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean someone else won't drink it.



" I can't see a market for these except for felons who can only own BP guns."

Couldn't you say that about any b.p. gun, especially cap and ball, buy-through-the-mail-revolvers?;)

Seriously though,there are people out there who would want it strictly BECAUSE it's so weird and unusual.

[Ditchtiger]

"Tactical" has gotten way out of hand, but that was good! I had to look.

[Burt Blade]

Not too long ago, I saw an aimpoint on a black powder Hawken rifle.

The things people dream up....

[DixieTexian]

Maybe they could rig it up so the magazine held the caps or primers and it automatically put a new one in for you when you shot. Of course, that wouldn't exactly be safe, but it would still be kinda cool.

[Ed Ames]

You mean if Davie Crocket had a musket that was finicky about cleaning, full of lots of tiny critical parts, took an hour to clean properly, and jammed a lot?

With the possible exception of "lots of tiny" critical parts I think you've got the muzzleloader experience nailed. Jamming may be "fouled to the point where you can't force a ball down the barrel", and finicky about cleaning is along the "don't do it properly and you'll come back to a ball of rust" line but the comparison holds up pretty well.

[Vermonter]

When I opened this thread I was hoping to see a 12" double-barrel with a light mounted on it.

[AntiqueCollector]

Maybe they could rig it up so the magazine held the caps or primers and it automatically put a new one in for you when you shot. Of course, that wouldn't exactly be safe, but it would still be kinda cool.

How about a 12 shot flintlock? Saw this one months ago: http://www.nealauction.com/archive/1205/lot/lottext/0401-0500/0468.html

It reprimes after each shot with powder, I imagine something could be done to accomplish the same with percussion caps...

[Threeband]

Antique Collector, any info on that BIZARRE 12 shot flintlock?

Looks like the charges are superposed, like a Lindsey double musket.

[AntiqueCollector]

Just what's at the link: http://www.nealauction.com/archive/1205/lot/lottext/401-500.html

Scroll down to find a description of it...

The inventor, Isaiah Jennings, was a very active inventor in his day. He worked on a different gun later on in his life but I can't remember off hand what the gun was called. He also invented various pieces of farm equipment and some new lamps (including a very early vapor lamp, that used something called burning fluid which eh also did a lot of work on for a fuel). Actually, that's how I stumbled on this gun, I was researching his lamp inventions and geneology and found a reference to it. I would dearly love to have one of these guns but I'll never likely have the money for an original, and a copy would be very expensive. Here's some of the info. there that explains a little bit about how it works:

"By far the most distinctive feature of Jennings’ patent is the moveable lock stopped assembly that slides along a rail in the right side of the frame, which is indexed to each vent position in turn by a spring-lever fastened next to the trigger guard. Eleven vents are closed by pivoting covers, each one being opened after preceding shots. All vents are equipped with cleanout screws on the opposite side of the frame.
The trigger is connected to the lock internally by a long undulating linkage to the sear.
One inherent problem in the flintlock ignition system that prevented multiple shots was solved with the integration of a priming powder reservoir inboard of the frizzen that automatically delivers a measured charge of powder to the flash pan each time the weapon is cocked, allowing for uninterrupted operation of the weapon for twelve continuous shots. Engraved decorative scrolls, banding and a spray of leaves, along with the bracketed signature, tastefully fill out the flats of the hammer and lock plate. The frizzen, bridle, and spring’s engraving completes the decoration.
Another feature distinctive to Jennings’ early guns is a takedown mechanism allowing for the barrel’s removal. Six lugs at the breach end of the barrel engaged a flange with six grooves. By loosening the locking thumbscrew and giving the barrel a quick one-eighth turn the two pieces separated. The 21 inch barrel is .44-caliber and is rifled with seven grooves. When the stock was also taken off by removing the single screw at the pistol grip the gun could be fired in its much-shortened length.
After this patent was issued on Sept. 22, 1821, Jennings, along with a partner named Reuben Ellis, explored the possibilities of supplying the US Government with repeating arms. Their re-designed weapon was of conventional form, using a traditional wooden stock. Five hundred and twenty of these weapons were made for the government in a larger caliber by R. and J. D. Johnson of Middletown Connecticut in 1829. Upon completion, they were inspected by Federal inspectors and then delivered to the New York State Militia, presumably for field testing. Both four and ten shot versions are known and they are officially called the Ellis-Jennings Repeating Flintlock Rifle."

[DixieTexian]

Louis Lamore wrote about one of the Sackets having a flintlock pistol that was either a repeater or primed itselft automatically in one of his novels.

[6_gunner]

That is one crazy-looking flintlock rifle! I still can't quite wrap my brain around how the thing worked. Between the vents and the priming reservoir, it seems like there would have been lots of different ways for it to blow up!