Are you a light weight or heavy weight?


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Flame Red
October 11, 2007, 05:04 PM
I am just trying to figure out if I am considered a light weight or heavy weight. I sat down and figured out how much I have 'invested' (wrong word) in firearms. I am not including cost of ammo or accessories. Just in the estimated value of all the firearms themselves.

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Brad Johnson
October 11, 2007, 05:07 PM
It's relative. Some people would consider two or three guns and a few boxes of ammo as a "heavyweight". Others would consider it training wheels.

Brad

romma
October 11, 2007, 05:20 PM
I fall into the 2,001-4000 category... Financial obligations prohibit more for now.

ShooterMcGavin
October 11, 2007, 05:25 PM
Does this include magazines?? ...because including magazines for one gun puts me just over the $1,000 mark.

GunTech
October 11, 2007, 05:30 PM
It only takes a few class IIIs to jump into the heavyweight categotry. I have a couple, plus 50 or 60 'normal' guns (not quite sure exactly how many). Mot just gather dust. I'm coming to the realization that I could get by with a handful, and that would result in much less cleaning.

MrPeter
October 11, 2007, 05:32 PM
OH MAN! I just added my guns up to get an idea of how deep I am into them and JEEZ!

I have never spent that much money on a hobby before. Without ammo, holsters, extra mags, or anything else for these guns, the guns alone cost me over 5k. to be honest, I am shocked.

I voted wrong, because before actually adding them up, I voted from the 2-4k mark, sorry. :-/

Now I really wish I hadn't done that. I feel, cheated somehow... I guess, even though I wasn't.

I need to remember to sell those 450rds of .45ACP LEAD Ultramax rounds I got and can't use. (Darn sportmansguide sold me ammo that I thought was FMJ turned out to be some wierd bare lead ammo. I guess it's meant to be used in .45ACP revolvers? A few bucks in the hole there.)

Samuraigg
October 11, 2007, 05:32 PM
Close to the 2k range. Not bad for college student...

Brad Johnson
October 11, 2007, 05:35 PM
I guess it's meant to be used in .45ACP revolvers? A few bucks in the hole there.)

You can use 'em. Just clean the barrel a little better afterwards. That is, unless you have a Glock. Then I'd try and trade them.

Brad

35Rem
October 11, 2007, 05:36 PM
MrPeter/....Nothing wrong with that ammo...I'm probably going to piss some guys off that wanted to releive you of it....Go shoot it.

strat81
October 11, 2007, 05:58 PM
I guess it's meant to be used in .45ACP revolvers?
Any gun with convention rifling is fine. Polygonal rifling (Glocks, for example) and lead do not mix.

VARifleman
October 11, 2007, 05:59 PM
Whoops, I included accessories, reloading, training, but not ammo (sans that used in training)

glockman19
October 11, 2007, 05:59 PM
Where does the heavy weight begin?

MinnMooney
October 11, 2007, 06:09 PM
I'd make a bet that if the news media found out that you were the proud owner of more than 2-3 firearms, they'd call you a weapons dealer. Why else would anyone own 'so many' guns?
Just think of how they'd lay out & describe your ammo supply to make it look like you were your very own militia.

WOW! He had a 'stash' of over 375 rounds of ammunition in his house. That is enough to kill every man, woman & child in the small town that he lives in"!!!
Give me a break. Heavy-Wt or Light-Wt. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

SuperNaut
October 11, 2007, 06:17 PM
It was a really bad idea to add all mine up...:eek:

CWL
October 11, 2007, 06:23 PM
If you need to ask this question, you are definitely in the "lightweight" category.

My expenditure on ammo & accessories easily total what I have spent on bare firearms, my training expenses also easily equal or surpass what I have spent on firearms.

sacp81170a
October 11, 2007, 06:23 PM
I'm in the 20-40k with just what I can think of off the top of my head. I'm not counting accessories like scopes, cleaning supplies, reloading equipment, ammo and the drawer full of holsters and slings that I don't use anymore. :uhoh:

(I've probably got a few hundred dollars worth of holsters that didn't work out. :o)

CoRoMo
October 11, 2007, 06:24 PM
Around $1,400 that I've bought myself. Soon to add in another $1,000. If I added in the accessories (scopes,blackpowder acc, etc.) it would come close to $3,000.
Doesn't include the gift guns that my Dad keeps giving me.

MIL-DOT
October 11, 2007, 06:28 PM
how much i've invested and how much they're worth are now two very different things !!

Walkalong
October 11, 2007, 06:28 PM
I am at 20K + now. (30 years worth) That is a lightweight compared to many, but many folks are glad to be above 2K. I know I was for much of my shooting career. :)

CoRoMo
October 11, 2007, 06:29 PM
Even though I bought my .22 semi auto rifle for $100, I value it at $100,000 because it is awesome!! So I guess I'm a heavyweight.

Dravur
October 11, 2007, 06:30 PM
added them up... don't want to do that again... Could have paid off my house. Then again, I sold 2 guns for the down payment.....

MASTEROFMALICE
October 11, 2007, 06:33 PM
A conservative estimate put me at spending over $11,000. That doesn't include free guns I've gotten. It also throws off overall values for guns I've gotten at a rediculous price (like a 3rd Reich stamped matching-numbers Mauser 98 I got from an anti-gunner for $50).

Overall value is probably closer to $15,000 but I'm still in the same range.

MASTEROFMALICE
October 11, 2007, 06:34 PM
Incidentally, if a billionaire philanthropist ever gets his hands on my wish list I'll be well into the final category.

esq_stu
October 11, 2007, 06:35 PM
I better sell some before my wife finds out . . .

TexasRifleman
October 11, 2007, 06:36 PM
Invested or value?

I bought 8 or 9 NFA weapons in the early 80s, didn't pay much for them at all.

I think the cheapest was $250 plus the tax stamp for a Lightning Link.

ShooterMcGavin
October 11, 2007, 06:56 PM
Does this include magazines??
I guess I don't really NEED to vote.

modifiedbrowning
October 11, 2007, 07:06 PM
Just with my firearms I'm just over 16k, and I've only been buying guns for 7yrs. I never would have guessed it was that high, I was imagining around 5 or 6k.

tnieto2004
October 11, 2007, 07:09 PM
Who are the two with over $100,000??????

Guitargod1985
October 11, 2007, 07:37 PM
I am in the $4k to $8K category at the moment, but once I graduate college I'll be on my way to the next one :)

Cannonball888
October 11, 2007, 07:54 PM
I justed started my collection not long ago. I've spent over $7,000 on 10 firearms in less than one year. Still got a few more to get in case we get an anti in the White House.

Bazooka Joe71
October 11, 2007, 08:11 PM
Who are the two with over $100,000??????

Well, TexasRifleMan said he has 8 or 9 NFA weapons, so there is one...

El T claims to own 238 firearms...If the average price is ~$420, he might be your other.:)

f4t9r
October 11, 2007, 08:33 PM
Im am going to say anything over 10,000 is a Heavyweight or at least you are on your way. Anything over 25K is a super Heavyweight. Thats my guide lines anyway.

Cannonball888
October 11, 2007, 09:06 PM
I think some people are confusing "how much invested" with how much it's worth. The former is how much you spent and is the question of the poll.

Hokkmike
October 11, 2007, 09:22 PM
Hey, for all practical purposes you can only shoot one, ok - maybe two, at a time!

flashman70
October 11, 2007, 09:24 PM
I guess I have over $10,000 spent. I have to slow down as this has taken place in the last 2 1/2 years.

savetheclaypigeons
October 11, 2007, 09:30 PM
How much I have paid for guns and subtracting what I have sold them for or are we not subtracting? Regardless I'm in the 4-8k range. Plus I'm 4 months short of 21. Damn

TexasRifleman
October 11, 2007, 09:30 PM
Well, TexasRifleMan said he has 8 or 9 NFA weapons, so there is one...


No, I put how much I have invested.

I had less than 12k in NFA weapons by 1986.. I sold the Lightning Link and one of my Walther MPKs for more than that in the late 90's.... I'd give up all the value growth today for a repeal of the 86 ban though I'll tell you that for sure.

yesit'sloaded
October 11, 2007, 09:32 PM
I'm gonna go for around 17k. If I wasn't into cars I would easily have that doubled. A lot of that was when I inherited my great uncles collection.

I LIKE IT!
October 11, 2007, 09:39 PM
I estimate 20 guns give or take 2 total lifetime. Sold most:o except my Benelli M1 Entry and Colt "LEO" 6450(9mm AR):cool:

Current project running me 28K (MP5/M4LE/Suppressor/Mags):D

I say at my budget I'm a Heavyweight, but I don't see myself buying to many more NFA toys after this run.

QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
October 11, 2007, 09:40 PM
im into it as of right now about $550. i guess mega lightweight.

CajunBass
October 11, 2007, 09:43 PM
WOW. I'm no "heavyweight", but it's a lot more than I would have guessed. :what:

I'd hate to think about the ones I've had over the years, but it would probably be at least twice what I've got now.

esheato
October 11, 2007, 09:43 PM
27k invested (makes me cringe when I see it on paper). Not including 5k in optics or the safe or the reloading room. I do a bit of shootin'.

Ed

RyanM
October 11, 2007, 10:06 PM
A lot more than I thought.

Glock 23 plus a ton of custom stuff (which are part of the gun, not "accessories")
Kahr MK40
Ruger SP-101
Ruger Mk. II
Swiss K-31

Every single one of 'em was bought used, and that still adds up to nearly $2000. Crap, I accidentally clicked the wrong one in the poll. Well, if I go by brand new retail values, it's over $2,000.

Bazooka Joe71
October 11, 2007, 10:39 PM
Why is there a 60-100 and an 80-100? You can only vote once.

Mojo-jo-jo
October 11, 2007, 10:57 PM
Good grief! I just added it up officially from my records and it was a MUCH more than I had previously estimated--and that doesn't include a few trades that I "lost my a--" on just to move them!!! Not included in the total--I have a Garand on order and am seriously considering an AR15 project soon! Yikes!!!

I guess its better than spending money on booze and women though... oh wait.... nevermind...

SSN Vet
October 11, 2007, 11:02 PM
I'd say a guy who has a $100 K-31 and has put 10,000 rounds of mil. surp. or home rolled bullets through it developing true rifleman skills is a heavy weight.

and....

Mr. Armchair quarter back who has money to burn, but hasn't invested the hard work required to develop real skills is a lightweight.

money's got very little to do with it.....

MT GUNNY
October 11, 2007, 11:04 PM
I voted 8001+ just for firearms (16) I also caculated assesories to 3350 just for grins not inc ammo

Kimber1911_06238
October 11, 2007, 11:06 PM
if i made enough, i'd be in the 100K + category

ReadyontheRight
October 11, 2007, 11:15 PM
...I have 'invested' (wrong word) in firearms....

Firearms ARE an investment.

They are an investment in a responsible lifestyle, an investment in the protection of your family, a good experience for your children and a solid legacy for your posterity.

Owning guns, and by doing so protecting both the ability and the right of your children and their children to own guns is about the best investment I can imagine.

Money is an easily renewable resource. History has shown us that guns are not.

I think that before the 1960s, many people would laugh at the idea of owning more than a few guns - because you could always go down to the local hardware store and buy one or just order one through the mail.

Not anymore.

Just don't spend the rent, milk and retirement money on your hobby.

magnolia
October 11, 2007, 11:22 PM
Bought my first 22 in 1956 at the age of 12 and paid $12 for it. I remember it like it was yesterday. Earned the money mowing lawns and pitching hay in the summertime. I still have that old 22 along with most all the other guns I've bought since then. I put myself in that 4-8 range but thats got to be short. Now, thats scary! Things have certainly changed.

shooter429
October 11, 2007, 11:31 PM
spent more than a few bucks on my hobby over the years. I have seen private collections easily worth 6 figures, but I don't think that is really very common. I also know people with 1 Marlin or Ruger .22 . I guess I will call myself a light weight. I never have been much for the BAR scene. :D
Sorry, couldn't resist.

Shooter429

ReadyontheRight
October 11, 2007, 11:33 PM
wrong measuring stick....

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I'd say a guy who has a $100 K-31 and has put 10,000 rounds of mil. surp. or home rolled bullets through it developing true rifleman skills is a heavy weight.

and....

Mr. Armchair quarter back who has money to burn, but hasn't invested the hard work required to develop real skills is a lightweight.

money's got very little to do with it.....


I agree with SSN Vet -- to a distinct point.

The "why do you need so many guns?" argument is often used as just another end-around to justify things like waiting periods for purchase, gun registration, arbitrary ownership limits and eventually storing your ONE rifle, ONE shotgun and (if we're lucky) ONE pistol down at the federally-regulated local public armory.

You can check them out for hunting season -- because the Second Amendment is all about hunting.:rolleyes:

Believe me..this is EXACTLY what many politicians mean when they say "I support the Second Amendment".

I definitely agree that shooting practice and mastery of a gun platform is great (I happen to kick butt with the K31 and the Garand - at least compared to my "mastery":confused: of trap shooting), but don't confuse your "armchair quarterbacks" with the many, many folks who want to outlaw our version of football.

More gun owners help us all.

BlindJustice
October 12, 2007, 12:09 AM
I don't think that guaging whether a gun enthusiast is a lightweight
or a heavyweight can be measured in terms of total dollars put into an
individual assortment. It's more about heck the title of this forum
THe HIgh Road. The fact that you sign up here and stick around
whether or not you are a first gun buyer or a grizzled veteran, it's listening
to others opinions and asking whether your'r old or young or a grasshopper
or a master - old wives tales and myths are easily blown away on this forum, because in the long run of a thread they are in the minority and those who aspire to The HIgh ROad but oughta sit back and listen are identified.

As an example I will mention Jay Leno. He doesn't mix his
enthusiasm as a car collectoor and motorcycle collector to his
audiaence on THe Tonight Show. A bike magazine writer once
was given a tour by Jay of the warehouse of bikes he has,. It's full
of great bikes through out the 20th century. Jay has taste. At
entrance, is a Honda Bentley touring bike of only 150cc with crap
suspension and plastic fenders A throw away bike you hardly
ever see. THe writer noted it but didn't ask until after seeing the rest
of his world class collection. As they were walking out
the writer pointed to the Bentley and asked Jay why is that POS
in this cllection. Jay looked at it. he said "We all
start somewhere" He did the same thing with an
early 1950s Buick Roadmaster - the car you see in Rain Man.
After he took on THe Tonight SHow he took the BUick which had
been sitting in his Mom's driveway for 18 years and it has a
500 cu. in. Chevy engine with Corvette suspension front and
rear and you don't want to tangle with it in the curvy roads.

Heavyweight can be a person taking the first steps upon the journey
of the High ROad, or many others who have been on the same
path We'll wait for you at way stations, or be happy to talk about
the pursuit of the journey.

igpoobah
October 12, 2007, 12:42 AM
Thanks a lot, I had no idea I was that far up there. I would have guessed about half of what I just came up with....:banghead:

2RCO
October 12, 2007, 01:11 AM
It's all relative, I know guys that have a couple million in guns, I know guys that can't afford any that have considerable skill and knowledge. I have a considerable amount of cash tied up in guns I never shoot. When I was earning the cash to buy like crazy I never had time to shoot or do alot of other things. When I was in College I shot quite a bit but had no cash and my gun collection consisted of 1 gun a .22 Remington pump the rest were all my dad's except for the Anschutz I was issued on the rifle team.

It doesn't matter how much you have in your bank account how many guns you have or what kind of car you drive--you can't take it with you and lately I've learned that when someone you care about is terminally ill all the money and the power in the world can be totally useless and faith trumps it all. I doubt God would be very impressed if I showed him my Pre-Production Superposed. Don't get me wrong I still like my guns and am not going Brady Bunch any time soon but there is more to life.

ReadyontheRight
October 12, 2007, 01:21 AM
BlindJustice - That is awesome and on the money. Thanks!

frankcostanza
October 12, 2007, 02:34 AM
if we're talking guns im somewhere in the 1k range. if ammo and accessories are included, well...ammo aint cheap

Officers'Wife
October 12, 2007, 02:42 AM
Since all but one where either given to me or inherited I have to say less than a 1000. Considering who it was that died for me to inherit them I would have to place the value far far higher.

Selena

strambo
October 12, 2007, 02:55 AM
Enough votes to see a clear pattern now. I am one standard deviation on the light side at 2-4K 'o guns. I need to at least hit the median of 4-8K, better get on it!

cwmcgu2
October 12, 2007, 03:10 AM
While I get your point of the question as to evaluate classifications on the level of commitment to the hobby by means of economic analysis of the financial investment of the members here, the one question survey is not a good indicator.

What you need is a multivariate analysis which asks a number of things:
1- Amount of $ spent on guns owned.
2- Period of time in which the investment took place. ($5K in 20 years compared to $5K in 2 years)
3- Average income during the time period in question. ($5K out $20K a year income compared to $5K out of $100K a year)
4- Number of dependants, past or present, and time period in which they were dependent. ($5K from a person with 5 kids compared to $5K from a single guy with no kids).
5. So on and so on...

ColinthePilot
October 12, 2007, 04:04 AM
I've only been buying guns since my sophomore year in college, and college was a no-money time for me. By graduation, I had spent about $500 just on the weapons themselves; a Yugo SKS and a 9mm Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro for carry (cuz it was cheap). I just doubled my gun investment with a Garand. So I'm just over $1000 in about 3 years. That will rapidly escalate now. The only tangible thing I can say I've invested more in in my 22 years is my Pilot License(s) and my truck.

Correia
October 12, 2007, 10:43 AM
Personally, I'm a feather weight. Professionally, which is invested in by my own money, I'm a super heavy weight sumo wrestler. :)

whited
October 12, 2007, 11:58 AM
(like a 3rd Reich stamped matching-numbers Mauser 98 I got from an anti-gunner for $50)

:what::what::what::what::what:

chris in va
October 12, 2007, 12:07 PM
Well see, the poll can be skewed somewhat according to timeline.

For example, I've been shooting for about 5 years. I'm not rich, and tend to keep my spending down to one firearm every few months or less, and even then they're only around $300 or less.

But if I were to keep up this pace for YEARS, it could push into the 'heavyweight' category just from the amount amassed over 30 years. Even then some get sold off and bought according to whatever works or doesn't.

bsf
October 12, 2007, 12:28 PM
I am not interested in adding mine up, but I am clearly a “light-weight” as defined by the poll. That is ok. I do not foresee much in the way of additional firearm purchases in the near future for me unless something happens to allow me to legally purchase new production full-auto stuff. I have more invested in ammo than I do in guns, and that is the way it should be for me. I am more concerned w/ improving proficiency with what I have than acquiring more of what I will not make time to use. “Lean & Mean” is becoming an attraction for me as I age.

ReadyontheRight
October 12, 2007, 12:51 PM
I think you cross over into "heavyweight" when you stop counting your ammo by number of rounds you order and shoot every month and move to cubic feet.:D

XD-40 Shooter
October 12, 2007, 07:06 PM
Right now, I'm at $2300. That's about all I can afford right now.

M1 Shooter
October 12, 2007, 08:30 PM
I'm in the $2001-$4000 category not including ammo and accessories. If I add into it all the ammo, accessories, reloading gear, and other firearm related stuff, I'm in the $4001-$8000 category, but just barely. I consider myself a lightweight, but some people may consider me a heavyweight. It all depends on who you ask, and what your own definition of "lightweight" and "heavyweight" is. I consider a heavyweight to have a collection of firearms valued well into 5 figures at least, not including all the stuff that goes along with them.

Noxx
October 12, 2007, 08:36 PM
I have to make sure my wife doesn't see this poll, apparently I've dumped over 6K on guns this year. My investment in previous years has been pretty light however, still under 10k total.

rampage841512
October 12, 2007, 08:38 PM
I have between 4k and 8k in firearms, probably another k in accessories and ammo. I think it's relative too. Some guns can do as much damage with a bolt action rifle as a squad of marines can with M4s and M16s.

littlegator
October 12, 2007, 08:47 PM
I only have one gun I purchased ($530), and my Win 94-32 was inherited. I am a flyweight with superheavy weight ambitions. ;)

Ala Dan
October 12, 2007, 09:11 PM
$10K-20K, so I'm right in the middle~! ;)

MSgt B
October 12, 2007, 09:59 PM
(I hate doing math in public)
I barely broke the 4k mark, but I've got my eye on a good deer rifle. I'll try to bring my numbers up.

I like the post by Blind Justice (Re: Jay Leno)
I started with a used Ruger 22/45 for $150. It still gets plenty of range time.

iamkris
October 12, 2007, 10:28 PM
Value at around $35K. I figure that is no more than many guys spend on a sports car for their mid life crisis...and mine will hold its value.

WSM MAGNUM
October 12, 2007, 10:42 PM
I guess I`m a lightweight. I have around $4000 in firearms.

The Annoyed Man
October 16, 2007, 08:30 AM
$4,000-$8,000 for me. I only added it up just last night on a different thread. I had no idea. $4,700 of that has been in the last 6 months, and $1,300 over the previous 17 years.

:what:

Working Man
October 16, 2007, 08:46 AM
Counting only what has been invested in the purchase of the actual firearm
and not what they might sell for now or add-ons or ammo I'm in the middle.

But I have more invested in books than that.

cpttango30
October 16, 2007, 08:51 AM
with scope, rifle, sling,and bipod I am well over $1000 on one. Most of mine are old and in blue book they are not worth a whole lot. But to replace them would cost a small fortune.

My 22 wouldcost no less that $500 to replace with Scope costing another $600

My 6.5x57 type 38 would set me back right around $750 to replace.

M 30-06 would cost $750 plus $700+ to replace scope.

My 308 Would cost $3000 to $5000 to replace and $2000+ for optics.

My 223 would be $800 for the rifle and $1000 for optics.

My shotgun would cost $1200 to replace.

1200
800
1000
4000
2000
750
700
750
500
600
_______
Total replacement Cost $12000+

But the worst thing of all you can not replace the history of many of said rifles.


When getting an insurance policy I will never really list there value because it will cost 4 times that to replace them all. So I will do like scotty and had to the value of them. Most of the policies let you set the ammount for each gun.

Phil DeGraves
October 16, 2007, 01:24 PM
I suppose we should define lightweight or heavyweight. If we divide it at $10,000 then we have (at this time 404 responses) 120 HW and 284 LW, or about 70% LW and 30% HW.

Werewolf
October 16, 2007, 01:46 PM
With out getting too specific I would surmise that if your every day average blissninny looked inside my gunsafe he or she'd probably just keel over and die right then and there from a heart attack or stroke. :evil:

jefnvk
October 16, 2007, 03:07 PM
High end of 4-8k on guns alone.

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