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yesit'sloaded
October 14, 2007, 01:30 AM
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Rapper T.I. was arrested Saturday as he allegedly tried to add three machine guns and two silencers to what authorities said was an "arsenal" of weapons that, as a convicted felon, he was not allowed to own.

The entertainer, whose real name is Clifford Harris, was arrested without incident in midtown Atlanta, Georgia.

The entertainer, 27, whose real name is Clifford Harris, was taken into custody about 2:30 p.m. in Atlanta as he accepted delivery of the guns and silencers, the Department of Justice said in a statement.

Three other guns were found in the vehicle he was driving, authorities said, and police executing a search warrant at his home in suburban College Park, Georgia, found six additional guns, five of them loaded, in his bedroom closet.

"Machine guns pose a serious danger to the community, which is why they are so carefully regulated, said David Nahmias, U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia.

"The last place machine guns should be is in the hands of a convicted felon, who cannot legally possess any kind of firearm. This convicted felon allegedly was trying to add several machine guns to an already large and entirely illegal arsenal of guns." Video See video of a search of the rapper's home

The arrest came as a result of the cooperation of a witness who, after being arrested Wednesday, agreed to cooperate with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the DOJ statement said.

The witness was arrested after he purchased the three machine guns and two silencers from an undercover ATF agent.

The guns were not registered on the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record as required by law, and the witness -- who was worked as a bodyguard for Harris since July -- told authorities he was purchasing them for Harris, and had bought about nine guns for him previously, the statement said.

On Wednesday, authorities said, Harris arranged for the witness to pick up $12,000 in cash from a bank to use in buying the guns. After being arrested and agreeing to cooperate with ATF, the witness had a series of phone calls with Harris, which authorities recorded, the statement said.

It was arranged that Harris would pick up the guns after meeting the witness in a shopping center parking lot in midtown Atlanta. The arrest took place there without incident, the DOJ statement said.

Police searched Harris' car and found three other guns, authorities said, "including one loaded gun tucked between the driver's seat where Harris had been sitting and the center console."

Court documents in the case show that Harris was convicted on felony drug charges in Cobb County, Georgia, in 1998 and sentenced to seven years' probation. "Harris has additional arrests and at least one probation violation for unlawfully possessing firearms," according to an affidavit.

Harris has dubbed himself the "King of the South." His music is built around the drug culture and is known as "trap music," or music to listen to while using drugs.

Harris will be held in federal custody over the weekend and will apepar Monday before a magistrate judge, the DOJ statement said.

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GlowinPontiac
October 14, 2007, 02:11 AM
Lets see if his celebrity status and money can keep him out of federal prison.......

Prince Yamato
October 14, 2007, 02:15 AM
Straw purchase, NFA violation, GCA '68 violation... he's going to jail for a decade at least. He's going to be the King of the South Cell-block now.

zoom6zoom
October 14, 2007, 02:37 AM
told authorities he was purchasing them for Harris,
That one will add a conspiracy charge or two.

sithanas
October 14, 2007, 02:55 AM
Surprisingly well-written article, too.

tn-dave
October 14, 2007, 03:20 AM
After being arrested and agreeing to cooperate with ATF, the witness had a series of phone calls with Harris, which authorities recorded, the statement said.

the witness -- who was worked as a bodyguard for Harris since July -- told authorities he was purchasing them for Harris, and had bought about nine guns for him previously, the statement said.

Somebody is trying to CYA. Not saying he isn't guilty of straw purchases and a long list of other crimes but I smell a set-up.

Loanshark
October 14, 2007, 03:39 AM
"machine guns pose a serious threat to the community" Not criminals, not convicted felons, not bodyguards, not SUVs, or steak knives, or Karaoke machines.... But Machine Guns! I mean, how many poeple in the US died on the business end of a machine gun in the last 40 years? I honestly don't know, but I bet more people died bungy jumping, or taking a *****, or having sex... Explain the serious threat to me PLEASE!!!!

I'm so sick of the gun haters..... so SICK!!!!

This used to be a free country... I'm at a loss for words when I think about what "we the people" have done!!!

Have we been asleep at the wheel since the 1950's, or did it start before then??

Maybe this isn't the best place for this rant... But I read that quote and I didn't even have a choice... my fingers just started typing...

I hope you all will join me... It's time to send a wakeup call. I'm not going to spend time anywhere I can't carry... And I'm gonna make the government solve the problem... I'm calling the license bureau tomorrow and I'm gonna ask them how to renew my plates... Can't come to you becuase I could get arrested for posession of a firearm if I do, and I CARRY A FIREARM EVERYWHERE I GO. What are my other options? I don't have time to wait for the mail, my plates expire in 4 days, now what??

I'm not going to the post office for any reason... If I need to ship it'll go UPS, or the like, or I'll mail it from home.

I could go on but It's way past my bed time and I've rambled on enough so that you get the point

So who's with me??

sublimaze41
October 14, 2007, 06:02 AM
Loanshark,
can't you leave your firearm in your car while renewing your plates? How much mortal will you be in for that short time. Hmmm plates expire in 4 days....and now it's their emergency?

gunsmith
October 14, 2007, 07:16 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1329654520071014

links and story or you have to clean the old MK2 that has been shot a million times...

By Matthew Bigg

ATLANTA (Reuters) - Federal agents arrested Grammy Award-winning rapper T.I. on Saturday on charges of buying illegal machine guns, hours before he was due to star at a major hip hop awards ceremony.

Agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said they arrested the rapper in Atlanta as he took delivery of three machine guns and two silencers.

"This convicted felon allegedly was trying to add several machine guns to an already large and entirely illegal arsenal of guns," David E. Nahmias, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, said in a statement.

"Thanks to the good and quick work of ATF, he is now in custody and his firearms have been seized," Nahmias said.

T.I. was convicted of a violation of the Georgia Controlled Substances Act in 1998 and given seven years probation, the Department of Justice said.

It is a federal offense for a convicted felon to have someone else purchase firearms on their behalf, Justice said.

T.I., born Clifford Harris, was arrested at 2.30 p.m. EDT, the day he was due to perform at the BET Networks awards ceremony in Atlanta.

He had been nominated for nine awards at the annual show -- more than any other artist. They included the prestigious MVP award for the best artist in the business as well as best CD of the year and best lyricist of the year. His failure to appear overshadowed one of the biggest events on the hip hop calendar and disappointed hundreds of fans who turned up to watch the elite of the hip hop industry.

Many fans said they wanted to catch a glimpse of T.I. more than any other star.

In the event, he won only CD of the year, an award he shared with the rapper Common for a separate album. Lil Wayne won the MVP award.

T.I. spent two weeks at No. 1 on the U.S. pop chart this summer with his album "T.I. vs T.I.P.," his second chart topper within 18 months. The album sold 468,000 units in its first week, making it one of the biggest debuts of the year.

The 27-year-old Atlanta native, who won two Grammy awards in February and was nominated for two others, is also co-CEO of Grand Hustle Records.

T.I. was arrested after an undercover operation by ATF agents that started on October 2 when ATF agents learned an individual was seeking to buy machine guns without registering them, the Justice Department said in a statement.

That individual, who turned out to be a bodyguard for the artist, was arrested on Wednesday after paying $2,200 for three machine guns, two silencers and a pistol.

He said he was buying the guns for T.I., and with the blessing of ATF agents arranged to deliver them to T.I.'s house on Saturday.

"Harris (T.I.) then agreed to meet and took possession of the machine guns this afternoon. He now faces serious federal charges and a potentially long prison sentence," the statement said, adding that T.I. would appear in court on Monday...Three other firearms were found in the vehicle T.I. was driving and during a search of his home in College Park six other firearms were found a bedroom closet.

(Additional reporting by Dean Goodman in Los Angeles)

gunsmith
October 14, 2007, 07:19 AM
T.I. was convicted of a violation of the Georgia Controlled Substances Act in 1998 and given seven years probation, the Department of Justice said.

A drug felony, the war on some drugs really stinks.

I wonder what kind of guns he was trying to get, and with his money, couldn't he have gotten his record expunged?

Lucky
October 14, 2007, 07:37 AM
No victim = no crime. Hence this 'justice' is fundamentally unjust.

His music probably sucks, but there's entirely too many stupid rules in a society that tells people what they can or can't ingest, and what they can or cannot own, when 50 years earlier people got on just fine without those rules.

Zen21Tao
October 14, 2007, 09:22 AM
What... they didn't arrest the machine guns and silences for using their evil mind control powers over this criminal rapper to force him, against his own will, to obtain them so they could make him kill little children and puppy dogs?

Glockman17366
October 14, 2007, 09:26 AM
Jesse Jackson will probably take a troop of paid supporters to protest this guy's arrest.

10 years? I'd be suprised if he does three. Remember, he's a disadvantaged minority.

yesit'sloaded
October 14, 2007, 10:34 AM
I really want to know how this turns out. I would just die of laughter if Jesse and his posse somehow get the machine gun ban overturned for us using the disadvantaged minority claim. Can't you guys see this happening? He claims 2nd A rights to own the machine guns, the Jesse and Sharpton show get involved, people overturn the machine gun ban because of it's civil rights angle, and we get to have machine guns again.

Nil
October 14, 2007, 10:48 AM
Here's the affidavit if anyone cares to read it: http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/tidocuments/complaintaffidavit.pdf

I've read it and if the information contained within it is true, T.I. will be going away for a long time.

Well-Armed Lamb
October 14, 2007, 11:06 AM
T.I., born Clifford Harris, was arrested at 2.30 p.m. EDT, the day he was due to perform at the BET Networks awards ceremony in Atlanta.

He had been nominated for nine awards at the annual show -- more than any other artist. They included the prestigious MVP award for the best artist in the business as well as best CD of the year and best lyricist of the year. ...
T.I. spent two weeks at No. 1 on the U.S. pop chart this summer with his album "T.I. vs T.I.P.," his second chart topper within 18 months. The album sold 468,000 units in its first week, making it one of the biggest debuts of the year.

...ouch. This isn't some wanna-be guy who's got a demo tape, which a lot of "musicians" in news articles turn out to be. He's a seriously popular performer with a substantial career. And he's just gently caressed himself, as they say on Something Awful. The ATF is going to nail his tuchis to the wall. I wonder if he was just collecting, or shooting. Could be a reminder of his street days, the kid inside trying to be a real hard man.

It's a darn stupid thing for him to have done, but I honestly feel a little sorry for him. Come on, man, you're off the corner, you're out! Can't you make better choices than that?

yesit'sloaded
October 14, 2007, 11:28 AM
I would also like to know who the "victims" of this crime are.

MinnMooney
October 14, 2007, 11:31 AM
from 'loanshark' :

"machine guns pose a serious threat to the community" Not criminals, not convicted felons, not bodyguards, not SUVs, or steak knives, or Karaoke machines.... But Machine Guns! I mean, how many poeple in the US died on the business end of a machine gun in the last 40 years?

I think that you really hit the nail on the head when you extracted that remark out of an otherwise beign article. The media always has to get a shot in against weapons.

jefnvk
October 14, 2007, 11:47 AM
For all those complaining about the inclusion of a quote, i.e. something the writer cannot make up on their own, you should really read the rest of the article. It is suprisingly informative.

UhKlem
October 14, 2007, 11:50 AM
It seems to me an agent of the government or someone under their direction, committed a felony by, however briefly, 'transferring' knowingly an NFA item without proper approval, tax payment, forms, background check, etc.
You know you are living in a police state when it's legal for some animals to be more equal than others. So much for equality under the law.

Considering how infrequently NFA regulated items (even unregistered contraband items) are used in crimes one has to wonder how much money the government wastes creating criminals via entrapment and then fills up space in prisons that might better be used on real criminals. Far from keeping us safer, this misallocation of LE resources gives space for real violent predators to quietly wreak havoc with less glamorous means and methods.

No one ever lost bureaucratic budget by showboating.

Aguila Blanca
October 14, 2007, 11:55 AM
Other issues aside, I find it interesting that although they didn't identify the "witness" by name, they certainly provided enough information about him for ol' T.I.'s buddies to figure out who the snitch is. I hope the witness protection program is in good shape, because I think the "authorities" just sold this dude out.

LoadedDrum
October 14, 2007, 12:10 PM
I think Chevy is going to have to stop airing their comercials with him and Dale Jr finally.

Mortech
October 14, 2007, 12:17 PM
No , they'll just make new commercials featureing them totin machineguns ,. How about featuring a Nascar with twin 50's on the hoods . Yes I know its not very Highroad but I couldn't resist (growing up in the hood I WISH I had twin 50's on my 70 Dodge Monaco) .

ilbob
October 14, 2007, 12:17 PM
Straw purchase, NFA violation, GCA '68 violation... he's going to jail for a decade at least. He's going to be the King of the South Cell-block now.He has money. Little or no jail time.

Koos Custodiet
October 14, 2007, 12:30 PM
I hope the witness protection program is in good shape, because I think the "authorities" just sold this dude out.

The way I read it, this dude's a rat, not a witness. He provided the info, the dude got caught red-handed -- they don't need him as a witness any more.

We can crow and say he (the rat (or the rapper)) got what's due to him... but does any of this sound right? Reasonable? Moral?

MudPuppy
October 14, 2007, 01:15 PM
For all those complaining about the inclusion of a quote, i.e. something the writer cannot make up on their own, you should really read the rest of the article. It is suprisingly informative.

I don't think the complaint is against the author, its the public servant that said it that's the problem. Oh, sorry, I meant the "authorities".

I agree, one of the better informed journalistic pieces that I've seen in a while.

22-rimfire
October 14, 2007, 01:15 PM
Even if it was a setup, Harris knew he could not own firearms and he certainly knew he could not buy Class III stuff. He'll be going to prison for a long time. I can't say I'll miss his music.

Prince Yamato
October 14, 2007, 02:07 PM
I would just die of laughter if Jesse and his posse somehow get the machine gun ban overturned for us using the disadvantaged minority claim.

hmm... know of any other rappers itching to get their hands on a gun with a happy switch? :evil:

fearless leader
October 14, 2007, 02:37 PM
I CARRY A FIREARM EVERYWHERE I GO. What are my other options?

They may tell you to walk, as driving is not a right, but a privilege.

Move to Florida, and you can renew online, and if you move to Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami or Tampa, you may need your gun.

I have mentioned to businesses I frequent (Evil Wal-Mart) that do not allow me to carry, that my family will hold them liable in the event of something happening to me I could have prevented. I have also told my company, who limits me to 6 lead round nose .38's that if I die with an empty gun, my family will do the same for them. I would expect more while protecting potential targets during a time of war.
I generally carry in places where it may not be welcome, providing they cannot legally put me in jail for said offense. Unless I have a sign on me that says "hi, I've got a gun", who would know?
NOTE: There are sterile areas where firearms are prohibited BY LAW, and I am NOT talking about those places. I am refering to places where if you are discovered, they ask you to leave.

kludge
October 14, 2007, 08:14 PM
Surprisingly well-written article, too.

Libeling a well-known celebrity would be an expensive mistake.

jerkyman45
October 14, 2007, 08:41 PM
He still won two BET hip-hop awards:

Jailed T.I., West, Common win 2 awards

10/14/2007 6:43 AM, AP


Despite rapper T.I.'s absence, the show went on at the second-annual BET Hip-Hop Awards — even when he was scheduled to perform.

The self-proclaimed "King of the South," who was up for nine nominations, won two awards. But he couldn't accept any trophies or make the planned performance after being arrested by federal authorities early Saturday.

T.I. was taken into custody in a shopping center parking lot where federal officials said he planned to pick up machine guns and silencers he had his bodyguard buy for him.

Even though the Atlanta-based rapper was present at the Civic Center, where the event was held, he became noticeably absent from the red carpet festivities before the show.

The news of T.I. being arrested rippled throughout the event. Rapper KRS-One, who received BET's "I am Hip Hop" Icon Award, learned about the raid just before he showed up.

KRS-One, whose real name is Lawrence Parker, said the fellow rapper's legal woes should not reflect on the industry as a whole.

"I'm saddened anytime I hear of a hip-hopper being locked up or somehow stunted in his life or his growth," he told The Associated Press. "I hope he wasn't into nothing crazy."

Chicago rapper Common, who won the CD of the year award along with T.I., tried to lend his support.

"I salute my guy T.I., who also won, wherever he is," said Common, while raising up his trophy. He also won lyricist of the year.

That's the first half, the rest of the article is all about Kanye West and Outkast, totally irrelevant to this discussion but here's the site link. http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/37120561

I don't like hip hop, and I had never heard of this felon before today.

rugerdude
October 14, 2007, 08:49 PM
C'mon jail-time!

Seriously, if this guy walks.......The NRA had better be watching this closely.

1 old 0311
October 14, 2007, 09:14 PM
$2,200 for THREE machine guns, TWO silencers, AND a pistol? Sure as heck wasn't at my local gun shop.:neener::neener:

spooney
October 14, 2007, 09:29 PM
I am probably the only one on this forum that will admit that I actually am a fan of this guy. Its a bummer that he is going to have some legal problems to deal with now.

anymanusa
October 14, 2007, 09:52 PM
I never heard of him, but I may like his music if I'd heard it. I usually give those kinds of things a try before I just judge them.

If his 'felony' was anything related to drugs, I am sorry for that. Drug use and possession crimes in this country are ridiculous and out of hand.

As for the machine guns and silencers, dayum. I wish I could have a silencer every day that passes, but I realize it's a no no with our laws today.

Blackfork
October 14, 2007, 09:57 PM
Didn't the New York Police and some upstate prosecutor get caught doing exactly they same thing, except they actually had possession of the guns?

I hope they ALL lawyer up and fight this abridgement of their Second Amendment rights all the way to the Supremes. If the Second Amendment protects anything, it protects subguns, silencers, machine guns and other militia arms.

Right?

Oh...sorry. The NY guys are going to be let off with no charges. Well, I hope the rapper lawyers up and fights.

Thernlund
October 15, 2007, 06:12 PM
can't you leave your firearm in your car while renewing your plates? How much mortal will you be in for that short time.

Have you ever actually been to the DMV? :D


-T.

Cosmoline
October 15, 2007, 06:27 PM
Don't pound too hard on the guy. If push comes to shove and things turn out bad in the next election cycle, we may all be sharing his cell block!

wally
October 15, 2007, 06:51 PM
Don't pound too hard on the guy. If push comes to shove and things turn out bad in the next election cycle, we may all be sharing his cell block!


Only if we roll over.

What's happened in Iraq, five years of war, as many dead as we kill with a month's worth of car wrecks, and the Dems are falling all over themselves declaring defeat!

What could they do if say ~10% of the ~70+ million newly illegal gun owners said screw you, come take 'em! Do *we* have the will to really do what the 2nd requires when the day comes?

--wally.

karz10
October 15, 2007, 08:25 PM
Someone else mentioned the cost of the materials, but there are different dollar amounts floating around...

1st article: On Wednesday, authorities said, Harris arranged for the witness to pick up $12,000 in cash from a bank to use in buying the guns.

2nd article: That individual, who turned out to be a bodyguard for the artist, was arrested on Wednesday after paying $2,200 for three machine guns, two silencers and a pistol.


The former sounds more like it, while there might have been change left over, I don't see how you can get 2 machine guns, 2 silencers, and a pistol for $2200.

Reminds me of those investigative reports showing fed agents posing as hit men to get someone already under investigation to arrange to have someone killed, and in lieu of the total fee, which should be substantial to have someone killed, and they take $500 (or less) to get the suspect on the hook for the charge...

Note to self, when making illegal arrangements to buy products and services, if the deal is too good to be true, it probably is. Oh wait, I would never do that, nevermind...

Anyway, I do wonder, if these reports have any truth to them, how it got from $12,000 to $2,200, that's a pretty big difference.

Karz

collateral
October 15, 2007, 08:42 PM
He wont get much time. Hes one of the wealthiest "musicians" currently making music. I dont have an internet source for him, but VH1 has had him on several of their shows featuring the current wealthiest "stars".

I don't see how you can get 2 machine guns, 2 silencers, and a pistol for $2200.

there are crazy discounts in the hood!

GTSteve03
October 15, 2007, 09:06 PM
Thank goodness, another violent felon off the streets! :rolleyes:

joplinsks
October 15, 2007, 10:10 PM
He will serve some jail time, but probably not much.

Mannlicher
October 15, 2007, 10:15 PM
ahhhhh, the thug life :rolleyes:

rugerdude
October 15, 2007, 10:16 PM
I wonder if one of us would get it that easy with a squeaky clean record would get off as easy as he is porbably going to....:barf:

Money makes the world go 'round

Ala Dan
October 15, 2007, 10:55 PM
Welcome- to the Cross Bar Hotel~! ;)

Geno
October 15, 2007, 11:05 PM
1 old 0311 said:

$2,200 for THREE machine guns, TWO silencers, AND a pistol? Sure as heck wasn't at my local gun shop.

Maybe they were airsofts. :)

Autolycus
October 15, 2007, 11:19 PM
He should be free. He has committed no wrong and he is a supporter of the second amendment. His previous conviction for drugs is bogus and he should not be considered a felon as he did nothing wrong. The man is a hero for fighting against unjust laws.

bottomuvthamap
October 16, 2007, 01:08 AM
here's a link to one of his earlier songs for anyone that cares......... http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQySacxorKY


i actually really like alot of his music (and i really don't care much for rap), but he says a lot of real stuff.....don't care for him as a person, but his music tells the truth.....

that being said, he was on felony probation and i would be surprised to see him serve less than 3 years in prison when it's all said in done. it's an unfortunate circumstance because like the article said, he truly was on top of the world.

this IMO is worse than the mike vick ordeal/a bigger let-down

crazed_ss
October 16, 2007, 01:48 AM
He should be free. He has committed no wrong and he is a supporter of the second amendment. His previous conviction for drugs is bogus and he should not be considered a felon as he did nothing wrong. The man is a hero for fighting against unjust laws

:)

What's funny is the exact reaction we'd be hearing of TI was some crazy militia nut out in the sticks making grenades (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=273327&highlight=homemade+grenade) and plotting to blow up Mexicans.

bottomuvthamap
October 16, 2007, 02:57 AM
here's a link to one of his earlier songs for anyone that cares......... http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQySacxorKY


i actually really like alot of his music (and i really don't care much for rap), but he says a lot of real stuff.....don't care for him as a person, but his music tells the truth.....

that being said, he was on felony probation and i would be surprised to see him serve less than 3 years in prison when it's all said in done. it's an unfortunate circumstance because like the article said, he truly was on top of the world.

this IMO is worse than the mike vick ordeal/a bigger let-down
bottomuvthamap is offline

oops, double post.....didn't see it go through

frank23185
October 16, 2007, 09:00 AM
In a free country, it should not be unlawful to possess either drugs or FA firearms.

JColdIron
October 16, 2007, 01:24 PM
Soooo what were the machine guns? I missed it if it was mentioned. :scrutiny:

DouglasW
October 17, 2007, 12:54 AM
Soooo what were the machine guns? I missed it if it was mentioned. :scrutiny:

Here you go, Cold. From the affidavit (http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/tidocuments/complaintaffidavit.pdf), that someone earlier posted:
The CW [cooperating individual] agreed to exchange $2200 and a Bushmaster, Model C-15, .223 caliber pistol, s/n D10867 for the following firearms: an Ingram, Model M-10, 9mm caliber machine gun, s/n 2-3005561, an SWD Inc., 9mm silencer, s/n N767, a Military Armament Corp., 9mm silencer, s/n 2-2001231, a SWD Inc., Model M-11, 9mm caliber machine gun, s/n 86-0008212 and a H&K, Model SP89, 9mm caliber machine gun, s/n 21-17411.

$2,200 for THREE machine guns, TWO silencers, AND a pistol? Sure as heck wasn't at my local gun shop.

Now that was funny :D

It looks like the trade was $2200 and a bushy .223 for the aforementioned other goodies.

rdhood
October 17, 2007, 10:04 AM
I wonder what kind of guns he was trying to get, and with his money, couldn't he have gotten his record expunged?

Generally speaking, in GA law, you can only get a misdemeanor expunged after a predetermined time doing nothing else wrong and before final adjudication by a judge.

A felony cannot be expunged.

doubleg
October 17, 2007, 11:09 AM
So he traded 2,200 and a bushmaster .223 pistol for two cheap spray guns with silencers and a H&K pistol.

Autolycus
October 17, 2007, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by crazed ss: What's funny is the exact reaction we'd be hearing of TI was some crazy militia nut out in the sticks making grenades and plotting to blow up Mexicans.

Yeah but those guys were plotting on blowing up Mexicans. And they weren't black...;)

Dravur
October 17, 2007, 01:00 PM
He should be free. He has committed no wrong and he is a supporter of the second amendment. His previous conviction for drugs is bogus and he should not be considered a felon as he did nothing wrong. The man is a hero for fighting against unjust laws

While I believe drugs should be legalized as I don't care what one does to themselves... it is currently a crime to be in possession, sell, etc. So the claim that he did nothing wrong.... bogus. he did knowingly commit a crime and he paid for it. Now he is a felon. He also knew that buying machine guns out of the back of a truck is wrong and the possession of firearms by him is wrong. Now he gets to pay for that.

While I agree, the laws are not correct, this does not make him a hero. Just some dude who went outside the law and got busted for it. Kind of like saying that Jeffrey Dahmer was a hero to Cannibals as he got caught for an "unjust Law".

The true heroes are the ones out there fighting everyday to save rights, to change laws. Some dude who wanted to get himself some illegal gats is not a hero and sets our cause back.

yesit'sloaded
October 17, 2007, 02:20 PM
The same could be said for some black chick that wanted to sit in the front of a bus and cause trouble. Rosa Parks broke the law too...don't forget it.

bottomuvthamap
October 17, 2007, 02:46 PM
did anyone by chance, check out the link i posted at the top of this page??

if you've never heard of him before/not familiar with any of his music/don't care for rap music, i was just wondering what your take on that song was

JColdIron
October 17, 2007, 04:40 PM
Quote: Here you go, Cold. From the affidavit, that someone earlier posted:

Thanks Douglas! I knew it was in there somewhere;)

Just glad it was not another case of the media calling Semi -FA

Pigspitter
October 17, 2007, 08:24 PM
There was a picture of the seized guns in our paper and if I was a cop in Atlanta I would be hanging around the evidence pile for a while. Those guns were nice, still don't know what they were but two ar's with beta c's and a burkinov(spelling) ak with the drum and some revolvers.

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