If the Gun Owners Protection Act hadn't made new FA's illegal...


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TheOtherOne
July 12, 2003, 09:19 PM
... how much do you think they would be selling for today? Would it be similar to the semi-auto prices, but just with the $200 transfer tax on top of it? For example, you can get some brand new cheap Romanian AK's for a decent price -- around $300. Without this law, would a fully automatic then cost me only $500?

How much were Full Auto AK's and M-16's back in 1985?

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TekChef
July 12, 2003, 10:39 PM
My guess is that if the FPA of 86 had not made new full auto illegal-

I bet Mac-10s would be in the area of $400, Auto AKs around $800, good quality FA M-16s in the $1000-1200 range.

I bet people like Wilson Combat would be making SWEEET full auto guns.

TheOtherOne
July 13, 2003, 12:39 AM
I bet Mac-10s would be in the area of $400, Auto AKs around $800, good quality FA M-16s in the $1000-1200 range.
Dang, I would have to own a few of each at those kind of prices. I recently saw a M16A1 at $15,999.00 -- At that kind of price I'll never legally own one. Dang government making these stupid laws so only rich people can own the good guns.

Travis McGee
July 13, 2003, 12:45 AM
Interesting question. But since Uncle Sam is not following me around with trucks full of free factory ammo, I'd prefer a semi auto any way.

If I ever have a need for a full auto, I will pick one up from someone who doesn't need it any more.

Triad
July 13, 2003, 01:29 AM
I think most guns would have prices similar to semi autos. Some guns would probably be cheaper in full auto.

Backwoods
July 13, 2003, 01:41 AM
Yeah, I always wanted a Thompson, not for any tactical use, just 'cause they're cool and classic SMGs. Wonder what that would/should cost?

Don in Ohio

Solinvictus70
July 13, 2003, 02:10 AM
My full auto dream is either an MP-40 or a Sten. Yep, I know, sheet metal stamp guns, but I've shot both and love them. A decent IMI Uzi would have to figure in there too.

Mark Tyson
July 13, 2003, 04:36 PM
Is there any hope of getting that provision rescinded? If I recall, it was an amendment to the act that allowed the ATF the authority to refuse to permit new machine guns, right? Couldn't the attorney general or someone order them to issue new permits? Someone more knowledgeable than me fill me in please.

Monkeyleg
July 13, 2003, 05:25 PM
Backwoods, prior to the '86 law, full-auto Thompson's ran about $800 to $900. Right after the ban, prices doubled. I bought mine in 1988 for $1800 which, compared to today's prices, was still cheap.

An old friend of mine runs a police supply business. They sell new M16A2's to police departments for about $600. :fire:

TheOtherOne
July 14, 2003, 12:16 PM
Is there any hope of getting that provision rescinded? If I recall, it was an amendment to the act that allowed the ATF the authority to refuse to permit new machine guns, right? Couldn't the attorney general or someone order them to issue new permits? Someone more knowledgeable than me fill me in please.That would be awesome if we could get it rescinded. I don't think it'll ever happen though. Just think about how many blissninnies would be screaming if some politician tried to make machine guns legal again in an attempt to "flood our city streets with weapons of war".

TheOtherOne
July 14, 2003, 12:22 PM
An old friend of mine runs a police supply business. They sell new M16A2's to police departments for about $600.Is the M16A2, the one that has semi, and 3-shot burst? I thought I heard a cop here shooting one up at the range a few weeks ago, but for some reason I didn't even think cops could legally get new auto's.

Is it legal if a friend, who's a cop, legally buys a gun like that and lets you borrow it and keep it at your house?

Greg L
July 14, 2003, 12:42 PM
but for some reason I didn't even think cops could legally get new auto's.

They as an individual can't. The department that they work for can.

Greg

(btw Don, I just recently heard that Woody (the owner of the Thompson that we played with that April evening) died last year sometime :( )

Monkeyleg
July 14, 2003, 05:38 PM
TheOtherOne, the only person who can have possession of a legal full-auto is the person whose name and info is on the Form 4. You can let someone else shoot it as long as you're there, but you can't lend it to someone.

Just guessing, but it should be possible to list another person's address as that where the gun is stored. (I did that with the BATF when I kept my Thompson in a safety deposit box at the bank). However, the person whose address is on the form, but who isn't the registered owner, couldn't handle it. Again, that's just my understanding of the law.

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