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Raspu10
October 14, 2007, 09:04 PM
I'm Looking Into Buying A 1911 And Was Wondering What Would Be The Best Manufacturer Of These Three Manufactures To Purchase From?

Note: PICK ONE OUT OF THESE.. I realize Customs Are Better, But I Will be Getting One Of The Following.

I apologize for not being as specific when i made the post.

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Raspu10
October 14, 2007, 09:13 PM
If you have another option in mind please feel free to post your opinion.

f4t9r
October 14, 2007, 09:19 PM
The best are not on the list. Ed Brown, Les Baer & Wilson would be the Best with Nighthawk & RRA included. The ones you listed are all good without alot of difference. Go to a shop and handle each one or rent them from a range if possible. Then pick the one you want. Asking which is best is like asking Chevy or Ford. I would like to have dollar for everytime this is ask. You could do a search and find out peoples opinions on this subject all day long. I have one Springfield and two Kimbers and one RIA. Would love to have a high end 1911 like a Baer or Wilson. Maybe someday

Raspu10
October 14, 2007, 09:21 PM
best among the group i listed... i dont want custom.. too expensive Lol:D

Newton
October 14, 2007, 09:21 PM
Wow short list, needs to be about 3 times as long for a decent comparison and specifically include Nighthawk, which would be my pick.

Raspu10
October 14, 2007, 09:24 PM
well i made the same post in "TFL" But It Came Down To These Three Out Of 15 I Listed And I Didnt Want Customs Like Nighthawk Because Of There Price.

trbon8r
October 14, 2007, 09:50 PM
Colt makes the best quality gun of the three companies listed. Colt uses mostly bar stock parts instead of the MIM parts which Springfield and Kimber use to a large degree. Colt uses the proper spring steel for their extractors, and bar stock hammers and slide stops as it should be while others use MIM for these components. Colt does use MIM for the sear and disconnector, both of which can be replaced for a small amount of money if you desire while getting a trigger job done on the pistol.

Kimber and Springfield may have a lot of bells and whistles on their guns, but the Colts work great right out of the box, and Colt doesn't lie to the customer about "break in periods" or other such nonsense. Any production 1911 should work, and work right out of the box, period. Colts do that.

It's common knowledge the tooling in the Colt plant is on the vintage side. Colts are made the old school way and don't take advantage of as much of the modern CNC machining as the Kimber or Springfield. This is both good and bad. Building a Colt is dependent upon more work being done by the human hand than the Kimber or SA. The downside to this is Colts sometimes suffer from some strange defects on occasion. It's not unheard of to see a Colt that has the hammer pins drilled a little off center in the frame, causing the hammer to lean to one side or the other when looked at from the rear. The other famous defect is a recoil spring tunnel which can be drilled slightly off center when looking at the front of the pistol.

I recommend that if you buy a Colt, you look at the gun first before buying to make sure the gun doesn't have either of the two above defects which Colt for whatever reason seems to refuse to address. If the gun checks out good, by all means buy it!! You will be getting an excellent pistol.

Raspu10
October 14, 2007, 09:54 PM
Excuse Me For Being a NOOBLET But Whats "MIM"?:D

alucard0822
October 14, 2007, 09:56 PM
If you don't want a "custom" 1911 and don't want to spend a lot, look at Rock Island Arsenal, springfield mil-spec, kimber custom II or Colt series 70. I have a Kimber custom target, I like it, but the finish on the MIM controls is crappy (started rubbing off after a couple thousand rounds, it gets the occasional misfeed, but shoots cloverleafs all day long. My RIA is in 38super, was inexpensive, fairly accurate, and functions perfectly, the finish is a little rough but durable. I would suggest either saving your loot for a wilson/baer/brown/nighthawk, or going with a RIA, base colt (nicestof the three mentioned), or springer mil-spec.

Excuse Me For Being a NOOBLET But Whats "MIM"?
Metal injection molding, basically metal dust is injected in a mold under presssure, and high heat, causing the parcticles to weld themselves together. Jurys still out on this one, makes a strong, but sometimes brittle part made to exact tolerences for a low cost.

Hunter0924
October 14, 2007, 10:05 PM
trbon8r is exactly correct. I have seen the Colt plant with my own eyes and their pistols are hand built by quality materials by craftsmen and craftswomen that know their job well.
My vote goes for the Colt hands down.

possum
October 14, 2007, 10:06 PM
well i tell you that i would sa springfield, kimber in that order. there are many great models made by both companies, and sa takes care of thier customers and you will have a liftime of support for your weapon. there is one man in particular that i respect his opinion very much his name is James Yeager and he has stated that of the 1911s that he has seen at tactical response in the many courses that kimber, sa, and sti are the best.

Raspu10
October 14, 2007, 10:42 PM
Is MIM A Bad Thing Cuz From What I Heard It Doesn't Sound Half Bad.

hotwheelz
October 14, 2007, 10:50 PM
here is another vote for "Colt" the new xse line has all the extra's that everyone else is selling but no " BREAK IN" required. This has allways been a wonder to me that you buy a gun and please run 500rnds to break in why? I say go with the original 100+ years of building and refining must say something.

10-Ring
October 15, 2007, 12:07 AM
In my mind, it has always been COLT :cool:

possum
October 15, 2007, 12:38 AM
MIM metal injected molding:

in my opoinion if done right there ain't nothing wrong with it just like everything else. i know that sa uses far less MIM in thier 1911 handguns than kimber does.

Old Dog
October 15, 2007, 03:58 AM
Judging by the results thus far, folks seem to be putting stock into what all the internet Kimber-bashers are spewing forth.

While I believe SA is more consistent in producing reliable pistols (and is unrivaled in the industry as far as customer service), I like Colt's (especially since the advent of the Series 70 reissue) and Kimber still puts out worthy, and some really cool pistols.

gunman42782
October 15, 2007, 05:53 AM
I don't know why there is so much Kimber bashing on the net. My Custom Carry 2 has been an outstanding performer so far. I admit I have only shot about 300 rounds through her, but the only stoppages I have experience were a couple times the last round in the mag failed to feed, and that was within the first 100 rounds.

combatantr2
October 15, 2007, 07:24 AM
No intention to sidetrack the poll, but I have yet to see a NORINCO owner that is not happy with them as far as reliability is concerned. NORCs may fail in the 'looks' department, though.

Ala Dan
October 15, 2007, 07:29 AM
I know that most will say "the prancing pony; but I voted for Springfield Armory~! :scrutiny:;)

Zach S
October 15, 2007, 07:42 AM
Norcs are hard to come by now though. And some of them are beat to hell and priced higher than NIB mil-specs because they used to be a lot more gun for the money.

I'm on the fence. Nothing has ever broke on any of my Mimbers, the SA mil-spec I had ran like a top, and the Colt 1991 I had did as well, even though it rattled like a bag of bolts.

Used Colts are like used Harleys. By buying used you save a couple bucks, sometimes you spend more. The same could be said for Kimbers, the pre-series II guns anyway. However I have four of them, the least expensive being $500 and the most being $650.

I cant bring myself to vote for Kimber because of the front serrations and FLGRs. But I cant really vote for the other two since I've only had one of each.

Geno
October 15, 2007, 07:58 AM
For fact any company can turn out excellent examples of 1911s, and horrid examples of 1911s. That's just life and manufacturing. I've never owned a Springfield 1911, and so can't speak from experience. I have owned 15 Kimbers and still have my Warrior. Fully 33% of my Kimbers were factory defective and had to go back to the factory bewteen 1 to 2 times each. One needed to go back a 3rd time, but I sold it instead. I also own several Colts. None of my Colts has been defective. See sentence #1 again. Just because I have not had any defective Colt doesn't mean they don't exist.

Whichever you buy, give it a good once-over before you buy it. I suspect what you will get in such a thread as this is 99% opinion, and less than 1% hard-fact. Most people like what they own. If you use the search feature, you will find that this topic has been done to an unimaginable degree.

I suggest buying a used 1911, face-to-face. Take it to the range and put 150 to 250 rounds through it with no cooling down, just adding oil bewteen 125 to 150 rounds then continue. Best test there is. I did such a test with my Colt Series 70 reissue...in 3,000 rounds it never had any failures of any form. The 1911 adopted by the military had to pass such a test with 6,000 rounds. It was cooled every 1,000 rounds, and oil added around every 150 rounds.

JMHO.

Doc2005

Walkalong
October 15, 2007, 08:55 AM
Colt or Springfield. Both have strong points.

Kimber. I have had two that worked flawlessly, and just bought a used 9MM Tactical Pro, but they would not be my first choice if I was buying a new 1911, especially if I was forking out $1000 to $1100 for one.

My Series 80 Colt is my nicest 1911. My old LW Commander justs keeps chuggin' along after all these years.

My old box stock Springfield is still flawless after many, many years. It is the one I would take to battle with me. Loose, absolutely reliable, machined parts, plenty enough accurate.

GunNut
October 15, 2007, 11:23 AM
The ally put out fine weapons, and even a few duds.

I voted for Colt as it seems there are less complaints about them, with Springfield Armory being next and Kimber being last.

That's not to say one is better than the next. I've never had an issue with any of them, as have most, but the one that do complain profusely.

REPOMAN
October 15, 2007, 12:55 PM
Look into the Rock Island 1911's before you jump!!!!!!! You may not have to get as wet!!!!

Ghost Tracker
October 15, 2007, 01:10 PM
I was a mule-headed Colt Snob before anyone else made a serious dent into the 1911 market. I've owned & shot all the brands mentioned extensively. We should all be THANKFUL for the heavily crowded competition for our 1911 dollars because today's 1911-style pistols are better than ANYTHING made in the 70's-80's by anyone! CNC Machining Cells have made the fit & tolerances of even mid-grade 1911 pistols as good as the best were 20 years ago. Industry-wide 1911 sales competition has only made our buying options better, cheaper...and more fun!

sloman
October 15, 2007, 02:02 PM
After my recent bad experience with Kimber, I don't recommed Kimber at all!

Tully M. Pick
October 15, 2007, 02:18 PM
I'd take a look at a Rock Island 1911 if I were you. I've got one of their "tactical" models, which is worth the extra $40 for the upgrades you get, and it makes a .45 caliber hole in whatever it's pointing at when I pull the trigger.

orionengnr
October 15, 2007, 02:37 PM
After my recent bad experience with Kimber, I don't recommed Kimber at all!

You are entitled to your opinion, but based upon that:

--My brand new in box EMP was a total POS; no Springfields for me.
--My Colt 1911 was an even bigger POS; no Colts for me.
--My four Kimbers have been flawless.

How do you think I voted?

Mmmmm 460
October 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
I hear a lot of good things about S&W 1911s. Some serious 1911 owners I know really like them.

M1 Shooter
October 15, 2007, 03:07 PM
My Kimbers had to go back to the factory, and still didn't work right.
My Spingfields were good after some tweaking and break-in
My Colts ran perfectly right out of the box, no malfunctions to date.

So based on my experiences, Colt first, Springfield second, and Kimbers no thank you.

f4t9r
October 15, 2007, 04:06 PM
After all the Kimber bashing. I have decided to throw mine in the trash.
Save my money and buy a high dollar custom built 1911. I would give them away but I hate to burden someone with a piece of junk. I am the only person ever to have a problem with a Springfield , its the luck I have but still I am not lucky enough to win the lottery.
Since you do not want a high end custom pistol I would list the guns in this order: Colt,RIA,Plastic Air Soft,Plastic toy 1911 from K-Mart,Kimber & then Springfield. Let me add this to really get them going, I hate Glocks !!!!!!
Can you tell what kind of day I am having.:cuss::banghead:
Thanks for listening

Raspu10
October 15, 2007, 04:24 PM
well i love Glock:neener: but anyhoo.. it seems a reoccurring theme for colt to be in the lead followed by SA and A Very Close Kimber.

mpc12
October 15, 2007, 04:37 PM
I put my vote for Springfield. I own 3 Springfields, all of which have been outstanding. I have had countless Kimber's and only one has ever worked well after break in, and it was great during the break in. As for colt, i have limited experience, so i reserve judgment, but I love my Gunsite 1911.

GaryP
October 15, 2007, 05:47 PM
Make mine a COLT :)

Over the last 45 years I've owned just about every brand but always go back to Colt when it comes to 1911 style autos. These days all my 1911's are Colts. And no, I am not looking back! :D If I had to choose a runner up in a factory made 1911 it would be Springfield.


:evil:

Black Majik
October 15, 2007, 05:47 PM
Provided all things equal (meaning they work), my favorite goes to the Kimber. As an all around company however... Springfield makes my favorite 1911 from the three makers, the PRO. But that's outta the price range. Strictly speaking mass production 1911s, I prefer Kimbers. IMO they feel the best in the hand, fit tighter and in my hands shoot a smidge straighter.

Colts are nice, but the slide to frame rattle bugs the bejeezus out of me. Yeah, it doesn't affect accuracy, and it doesn't make it any less of a gun... but it's a personal gripe.

Raspu10
October 15, 2007, 07:42 PM
yea rattling would bug me 2

eldon519
October 15, 2007, 08:17 PM
Of these I voted SA, but S&W makes a great 1911 too.

eldon519
October 15, 2007, 08:18 PM
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Raspu10
October 15, 2007, 10:23 PM
yea i really like SA, I'm just Trying To Figure Out If MIM Is As Bad As Some imply... Is There A Chance Its Better?

glockman19
October 15, 2007, 10:34 PM
I voted Springfield. While I have Kimbers, I just like them, I think that Springfield probably takes the lead slightly over Kimber or Colt.

They are all well mad firearms and each company will produce their fair share of lemmons.

Old Dog
October 15, 2007, 10:48 PM
Well, well -- after Black Majik's endorsement, I guess I won't throw my Kimbers in the trash bin after all ... Dare I admit that I secretly like my Kimbers? MIM and all ...

Keep this quiet, but I find myself in agreement with a post in a thread on 1911s by a gent going by the screen-name of glockman19 ... Oh, the irony ...

Raspu10
October 17, 2007, 08:27 PM
Lol its ok I luv Glock and 1911's I Guess I'm a Cult Hybrid...:cool:

possum
October 17, 2007, 09:42 PM
i prefer the sa 1911s hence why i have one and not the kimber, well yet that is!

rollback88
October 17, 2007, 09:53 PM
Of the choices, Kimber is head and shoulders above. MIM shmim - that topic is just fodder for front porch debates about nothing.

Not listed, but in the same price category are S&W and Para Ordnance. I noticed Rock Island Armory mentioned. Less money - perfect for entry level. High quality and a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y world-class customer service should you need it.

--jcd

MICHAEL T
October 17, 2007, 11:21 PM
I vote Colt they know 1911's
Springfields aren't even American except in Name.

Papaster
October 18, 2007, 02:23 PM
considered taurus? i'm looking at buying one, and am hearing nothing but good about them. The PT1911 is very reliable, dressed up, and all mil-spec. And mostly cheaper than the other guys.

CoRoMo
October 19, 2007, 04:32 PM
I voted for Kimber before I finished reading the question. Then I read all of you guys' posts and it seems that you favor Colt and Springfield far and above Kimber. I guess I just don't have the experience you guys have. My experience has been that every handgun class I've attended, all the NRA defense trainers I've met, coworkers, friends, family, etc. have all given me the indication that nobody makes a factory 1911 close to the quality that Kimber does. One gun shop rep told me that he prefers Colt because their parts have a looser fit, and this keeps the gun cooler when he's at the range. He said the Kimbers are just too finely machined. That was still a plus for Kimber in my opinion. I'll have to take a serious look at the other two because if they are as good as you guys claim, I'm all for spending less money.

351 WINCHESTER
October 19, 2007, 04:52 PM
I don't know about the new colts, but I can tell you that the ones made in the 70s and above were pretty much hit and miss. It was not uncommon to get a new colt that was a jamomatic. They had the market cornered and they knew it. I bought several new colts that didn't work, had horrible triggers, untuned extractors, not throated. It was a given when you bought a colt back then, if you were serious about it working 100%, you gave it to a 1911 smith to get things right. I wouldn't buy a new colt on a dare, as their is so much competiontion now. You can buy a clone much cheaper and most that I've seen work out of the box. The Phillippine models are a real bargain.

jpmulli
October 19, 2007, 06:40 PM
My experience with Kimbers has been nearly all negative. They look really nice and well made but just aren't reliable. Colts aren't what they once were. I have several Springfields (Champion & Operator) and the only weak link I have encountered with them is the extractor, so I just replace it with a Wilson Bullet Proof extractor and no more problems. I have to agree with f4t9r the best are the Baers, and Browns.

Steve H
October 19, 2007, 06:43 PM
All of the above

Lefty Gunner
October 19, 2007, 10:06 PM
I like older Colts, but have not owned a newer one. Those I know who have them have found the quality somewhat mixed.

I have a Springfield TRP. It had a bad safety, returned to the factory for repair. They tried to tighten it to get the accuracy better, but the frame-slide fit was loose within a hundred rounds. I spent $$$ for parts and finally got a decent trigger after removing the ISL and replacing all of the mainspring/trigger system. It finally grouped at about 2" at 25 yrds. EXCEPT FOR THE CONSISTENT SINGLE SHOT FLYER! It is in a shop on consignment to be sold.

I have worked on a few Kimbers for someone who really loves them. They all would not feed hollow points and the triggers were just so so. I fixed the feed problems, but he did not want to spend the $200-300 to fix the triggers.

I am going to vote with my dollars and get a Les Baer. By the time you get one of the others and get it running good, you might be up to the Baer/Brown/Wilson level anyway.

I want all of my firearms capable of being my primary defense weapon. I don't care if they are in the safe or not. The must be capable, or I don't want to own them.

Save up and get a real blaster. You won't regret it.

Leedavisone
October 20, 2007, 06:48 PM
I like all the 1911's. I like Colts because they sometimes say 'Government' on them, and that feels important. I like Springfields because Indian Motorcycles were made in Springfield Mass. Kimbers are great... once knew a big chested gal named Kimberly, and they remind me of her. Rock Island Armory sounds like part of the Johnny Cash song. Dan Wesson has my vote because he was a talented fellow, Les Baers I haven't a clue about but everyone says they are good. Hispanos are cool, cause they are cheap, and made by a car company (kinda like a reverse BSA). Taurus are belittled a lot, so I think my next one will be one of them. Auto and Para Ordnance sound very military and macho. LLama sounds very lame... yeah that is the one I vote against... after all, who wants a pistol named after a tibetan monk? Or is it the furry animal? Well, same difference... Not a good gun at all for monks.

"Fortunately, I always keep my feathers numbered" -Foghorn Leghorn

tommygunm1a1
October 20, 2007, 11:53 PM
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[quote=LEEDAVISONE]I like all the 1911's. I like Colts because they sometimes say 'Government' on them, and that feels important. I like Springfields because Indian Motorcycles were made in Springfield Mass. Kimbers are great... once knew a big chested gal named Kimberly, and they remind me of her. Rock Island Armory sounds like part of the Johnny Cash song. Dan Wesson has my vote because he was a talented fellow, Les Baers I haven't a clue about but everyone says they are good. Hispanos are cool, cause they are cheap, and made by a car company (kinda like a reverse BSA). Taurus are belittled a lot, so I think my next one will be one of them. Auto and Para Ordnance sound very military and macho. LLama sounds very lame... yeah that is the one I vote against... after all, who wants a pistol named after a tibetan monk? Or is it the furry animal? Well, same difference... Not a good gun at all for monks. [\quote]

funny

George Hill
October 21, 2007, 01:11 AM
I've picked up two Kimbers. A basic Custom II and a Tactical Custom II. Both of those two have outshot all the Colts and Springfields that I've ever shot. More accurate and reliable out of the box with no modifications or gunsmithing required.
I'll take a Kimber every time now.

Autolycus
October 21, 2007, 01:38 AM
I voted for the Colt myself.

ponyboy314
October 21, 2007, 06:13 AM
I'll say this much...

About six years ago, I bought a Colt M1911 (pre-A1 model) made in 1917. It has its share of pitting. The serial number is 174771. It has every original part. In the 90 years that my M1911 has been around, not one thing on it has been replaced.

And it fires like a dream. Never jams, no feed problems...it's a real joy.

For my part, all I can say is that a really ancient Colt is working fine for me.

Sylvan-Forge
October 21, 2007, 08:21 AM
Since Sam is my distant gramps, I gotta say Colt.

Nice as they are, I've never owned a Colt 1911, for shame :(

Rob96
October 21, 2007, 08:43 AM
bar stock hammers and slide stops as it should be while others use MIM for these components

Yes Colt does use barstock slidestops. On other boards 1911'smiths have posted that they have been seeing broken Colt slidestops while they have not seen a broken one from Springfield. From everything i have read, Springfield does MIM right and the parts are of good quality.

Rob96
October 21, 2007, 08:49 AM
You are entitled to your opinion, but based upon that:

--My brand new in box EMP was a total POS; no Springfields for me.
--My Colt 1911 was an even bigger POS; no Colts for me.
--My four Kimbers have been flawless.

How do you think I voted?

The 3 Kimbers I had were dogs. One of which couldn't be corrected by the Custom Shop. So much for $1,000+ pistol. Dennis said I was limp wristing. Funny I have had no problems with Springers or Colts. I think the attitude at Kimber ruined it more for me than the product.

Oh, I voted Springfield by the way.

possum
October 21, 2007, 09:29 AM
My brand new in box EMP was a total POS; no Springfields for me.
personally i wouldn't let this change the way that i view anything or keep me from buying sa. it is a new design and there are always bugs that need to be worked out of guns when they first come out. thats why i generally wait at least a year after the gun hits the market to jump on it.

Old Dog
October 21, 2007, 02:53 PM
If the original poster even cares anymore, and if he does indeed put stock in opinions he reads on the internet, a better method of getting information on the 3 manufacturers he asks about would be to head over to the 1911 Forum www.1911forum.com and peruse the individual maker forums.

Frankly, useless comments such as:
I voted for the Colt myself. -- with no further remarks reflecting personal experience (perhaps gained with a few years of owning, shooting and carrying) with that maker's 1911s -- couldn't possibly sway an undecided buyer ...right?

Rinspeed
October 21, 2007, 06:22 PM
Frankly, useless comments such as:

Quote:
I voted for the Colt myself.

-- with no further remarks reflecting personal experience (perhaps gained with a few years of owning, shooting and carrying) with that maker's 1911s -- couldn't possibly sway an undecided buyer ...right?



Would it be better if he typed out a two page report saying how great a pistol was when he has only put 800 rounds through it. On the errornet they're all opinions. Do your homework slap, down your cash and take your chances. They all put out a dud once in awhile, some more than others.

varoadking
October 21, 2007, 06:26 PM
I'm not surprised that SA has more votes - their price point appeals to a broader market - Colt doesn't have a $400.00 piece. I am surprised to see Kimber with as many votes as they have...given their spotty reputation...

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