POI correction


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camsdaddy
October 15, 2007, 09:58 AM
I have a 3913 TSW I have seen many positive things about this gun so I am thinking I am the weak link. It seams that I constantly shoot low I try to shoot with a standard 6 o clock hold only because I can see the target. I realize this will make my shots low. I have recently shot a friends Kimber same thing low left. I thought I was flinching but doesnt seem to be the prob (tried empty no jerk). Is there something I can change with my grip maybe that can change this I have filed the front sight down considerablly and still nothing its coming up but I think I am doing something basic that just isnt working out. Any ideas to try? If it were not multi gun issue I would say sight or ammo but it seems to be me.

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mavracer
October 15, 2007, 10:05 AM
what ammo are you using.most of the time heavier bullets will print higher.

camsdaddy
October 15, 2007, 10:17 AM
mostly wwb I dont have a box here but I think 115gr.

mavracer
October 15, 2007, 10:28 AM
you may try the 147 wwwb.it will print 2-3" higher at 25 yards for me.had the same issue with several of my guns.I try to taylor my ammo selection accordingly.My tauri 905 likes 147 std pressure so I use 147 ranger T,and reload 147 rainier tmj at 950fps.however my other 9s like the fast movers.same with .357 most like 125s but got one that shoots low,it gets fed 145 silvertips.still prints at the bottom of the bull at 25yards.I may try ww nosler 180s.

jfh
October 15, 2007, 10:32 AM
My guess is that your problem is mostly caused by the way you are gripping the pistol--the fact that the same kind of grouping shows up on a different one suggests some corrections in your shooting technique will help. You may be 1) using too little trigger finger, 2) changing the grip subconsciously as the round goes off, or 3) have an accumulation of habits for the entire sequence that needs to be worked on.

First, do a search here for some answers--try "target" and POA. There is at least one PDF file floating around that has the causes of a given POA result. Keep in mind that the symptoms are reversed, based on which hand you shoot with, so when you find that target with the symptoms printed on it, use the one for the hand you shoot with.

Also, check out books on "basic marksmanship" with pistols--the NRA basic manual does a fine job of explaining shooting fundamentals, right through the follow-through. Marksmanship fundamentals still hold for any kind of shooting--they're just condensed into a very short period of time, and they need to be fully integrated for them to be successfuly applied.

To start with, simply try to become conscious of what your hand / muscles are doing as the shot goes off--"concentrate" on it. Dry firing will help a lot as you concentrate on understanding what you / your hand is doing as you pull the trigger. Combine that with shooting some low or medium-power ammo instead of hotrod shots, so you aren't fighting a flinch as well.

I'm currently using my CT sight on my j-frames to diagnose follow-through problems I have for POA issues, too--and dry-firing, combined with studying j-frame grip techniques (see Jerry Miculek tips) have helped a lot. The same kind of info is available for semiautos, too.

Jim H.

AZ_Rebel
October 15, 2007, 01:39 PM
Problems like this are almost always caused by either (improper) sight picture or trigger control.

Jimmy Newman
October 15, 2007, 01:45 PM
It is entirely possible you are still flinching. You won't flinch pulling the trigger when the gun is empty because you KNOW that it won't go off - so there's no reason to flinch.

You want to find out for sure if you're flinching, have a friend load several dummy rounds/snap caps interspersed through a magazine for you, then start shooting. I'm willing to bet you'll have some flinch when you pull the trigger on the dummy rounds. It's very difficult to eliminate flinch completely. It's important that you not know when the dummy rounds are going to come up for this to work.

As I recall, hitting low tends to be a result of anticipating recoil and pushing the gun forward/down as you pull the trigger. Hitting left tends to be jerking the trigger/clenching your whole hand when you pull the trigger.

Ghost Tracker
October 15, 2007, 02:44 PM
Regardless of your eventually discovered correction...the 3913 TSW is a HECK of a fine pistol. Congrats on your choice.

camsdaddy
October 15, 2007, 02:50 PM
Ok the only reason I was thinking flinching might not be the prob is that when I forget to chamber a round it remains fairly steady just feel dumb. I reckon the more I think of it the more this may be an issue. What are some tips to overcoming recoil

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