New Romanian PSL-54C 7.62x54


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jpwilly
October 17, 2007, 12:29 AM
Just got one of the New Romanian PSL-54c Rifles. Came with a cleaning kit, 3 piece cleaning rod, oiler, PSO-1 scope, scope pouch, 2 10rnd mags, 4 mag pouch, and of course the rifle. Here it is...just needs cleaned up. I'll post a range report.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/PSL008_sm.jpg

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SomeKid
October 17, 2007, 01:04 AM
Looks really good. What did it set you back?

SpeedAKL
October 17, 2007, 01:20 AM
Awesome! A Dragunov/PSL is definitely on my list of guns to acquire eventually.

nwilliams
October 17, 2007, 01:49 AM
Nice looking gun, congrats!

BTW did you pick that up at J&G by any chance;)

jpwilly
October 17, 2007, 12:31 PM
Yes...got it at J&G for $749! I figured I should get one while they are in stock. Lost out on too many deals in the past sitting on the fence.

SomeKid
October 17, 2007, 07:00 PM
$750? DAMN! I wish I had the money for that!

LeibstandarteAdH
October 17, 2007, 07:03 PM
Best Mil-surp semi auto value for the money these days that wont turn out to be a POS are these in my opinion. Just make sure it dosent have the Y axis hole welded over...

knock knock... heh

chris in va
October 17, 2007, 07:19 PM
I saw one of those at the last gun show. Drooled of course.

Now I was under the impression those are SVD's...?

esmith
October 17, 2007, 07:27 PM
Best Mil-surp semi auto value for the money these days

No sks?

jpwilly
October 17, 2007, 07:28 PM
No, they aren't Dragunov SVD's but they are capable of similar accuracy and shoot the same 7.62x54R round. The Romanian PSL's are different designs read up on them here (http://www.dragunov.net/romanian_psl.html) think of an upsized AK with a better trigger and your on the right track. SVD's from Russia cost around $5K now...the Chineese model is around $2500 YIKES!

SKS's are good deals especially the Yugos for $150ish. I have both a Yugo SKS and a NIB Norinco SKS that I'm not planning on shooting anytime soon. Of course I have the obligitory AR's and and an AK...this kinda rounds out the collection. Did I mention 3 Mosin Nagant live with me too? Just picked up 3 cases of the Bulgarian Light Ball Surplus (900rnds) from J&G to help feed them.

Bartkowski
October 17, 2007, 07:30 PM
No sks?

+1

I don't know about anyone else, but I could have a few sks's for the price of that gun.

Sure is a nice looking gun though.

KINGMAX
October 17, 2007, 07:30 PM
sweet

Ash
October 17, 2007, 07:43 PM
You could get several SKS's for that price, but they are not a current-issue DM rifle firing the 7.62x54R round with optics made by IOR-Valdada.

Ash

LeibstandarteAdH
October 17, 2007, 08:00 PM
You could get several SKS's for that price, but they are not a current-issue DM rifle firing the 7.62x54R round with optics made by IOR-Valdada

Exactly. But maybe the SKS means so much less to me just because they are all around. When the SKS was 79$ unissued out the door a few years ago back when i was first getting into the game, it was without a doubt the best surplus rifle value. These days at $210 or so for a similar condition SKS ill pass. Thats getting into WASR teritory and id spend the extra 90$ for an AK.

I still think the PSL-54's are the best mil surp for the money at $750 with all the trimmings (scope, small parts, ect..)
Especially sience its a current issue high powered rifle round that is still not any more expensive than 7.62x39 in terms of what it eats.

doubleg
October 17, 2007, 08:07 PM
I would love to go hunting with one of those. :D

deerslayer40
November 2, 2007, 12:49 PM
If any of you guys are looking, shoot me an e mail & save a few bucks!

scherr@infionline.net

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Cosmoline
November 2, 2007, 01:35 PM
I hope to get one eventually, but I've heard bad things about some of them being put together out of spare parts and passed off as imports. Wasn't there also some stink with the BATF over a batch of them?

JHansenAK47
November 2, 2007, 02:07 PM
Ya, there was a stink. Century recalled a bunch of PSLs that they imported direct from the factory in romania. Mine was amongst the recalls; I sent it in and got a rifle back with a pinned on flash hider and ground down bayonet lug. I was pretty steamed because now I can't use a bipod that attaches to the bayonet and clean the little gap between the crown and back of the flash hider. On the plus side the rifle I got back had better metal finish. I don't know about you but I think the stock trigger on the PSLs is as bad as any AKs. I got an adjustable one from Redstar Arms and it functions vastly better than the stock trigger. I highly recommend their triggers in any AK type rifle.

Dr.Rob
November 2, 2007, 03:02 PM
Shotgun news has a great write up on these in the Nov. 5th issue. Not it's not an SVD, but it looks like it.

DMK
November 2, 2007, 04:15 PM
How is the build quality on these lately?

jpwilly
November 2, 2007, 04:51 PM
How is the build quality on these lately?

First, the PSL-54c is not a kit but is built in Romania for Export. While Romak III's RPK's were often Marked "Dragunov" were often kits. This rifle is solid straight and tight. The trigger on my example breaks clean and isn't overly heavy but it's not a match or adjustable trigger either. Yes, it is very similar to my Tapco G2 single hook trigger in my Lancaster AKM. It's not gritty but does have some creap a clean break and plenty of overtravel. After cleaning, oiling and greasing the bolt guides etc...the action is very smooth.
The bayonett lug is still there on mine and the muzzle break is perminately pinned.

The Romaninan PSL won't win any prizes for finish quality as they don't sport the most beautiful metal finish I've ever seen. It had only a few minor scratches too. After wiping it down with some CLP finish was very dark and even. It could look like a million with a can of park and then black guncoat.

I haven't shot it yet but have rolled up some handloads, picked up some Wolf, S&B, and have a couple types of surplus to try out. All of the bullets are 147gr to 150gr - it isn't reccommended to shoot heavy ball in them because of to much recoil. I think an extra power recoil spring would probably solve this if Wolff makes them?

Vaarok
November 2, 2007, 05:48 PM
Congratulations on your aquisition, but remember not to put yellow-tip through 'em, you can do bad things using heavy ball ammo. 150ish grain ammo only.

KBintheSLC
November 2, 2007, 06:12 PM
Gorgeous looking rifle. That would be one to add to the case. I have always liked the Druganov style... I liked it so much that I turned my .22 into a knock-off. Your rifle looks almost exactly like one of the Soviet originals. Have fun with it, and tell us how it shoots.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee213/kirillirik/bad-ass-10-22-1.jpg

DMK
November 2, 2007, 08:07 PM
First, the PSL-54c is not a kit but is built in Romania for Export.Someone here (Century Arms) is putting US made parts on these so they abide by 9.22(r), no?

BTW, what are the US made parts on these? Obviously, the furniture isn't domestic.

elmerfudd
November 2, 2007, 08:24 PM
I don't think 922r applies to them. They don't really have many evil features.

JHansenAK47
November 2, 2007, 08:28 PM
They don't have to comply with 922. I can't remember exactly why but, thats why the factory romanian rifles have the pinned on brakes and the bayonet lug is ground down. They don't remove the entire bayonet lug post they just grind the locking wings off the sides. On the century rifles it is all factory and on the kit guns you can still have threaded on barrels and bayonet lugs that do more than hold the cleaning rod as they are domestically manufactured. I believe that rifles imported for sporting purposes can't have bayonet lugs and threaded barrels to put scary flash hiders. I know for a fact my rifle was all factory romanian parts.

jpwilly
November 2, 2007, 09:56 PM
They are a "sporting rifle" and are not banned from import therefore no 922r either.

AshRose7845
July 18, 2008, 11:23 PM
I have been looking at the same rifle from J&G they have a location in Prescott AZ and i have been meaning to get up there to take a look. However with the Romak-3 there seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding it. One statement is that it doesn't nearly have the accuracy of its Russian (SVD) or Chinese (NDL-89) counterparts. However i will tell you that this firearm has more than enough support behind it. Marksmen have done a fair research and have concluded that all of the "Dragunov" variants have a 6 MOA at 600 meters (full length not including civilian Tiger witch is 4'' shorter). If you are considering a PSL-54C like I am go ahead a watch this video on youtube. the link will be below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktaH0kdKV80

Keep in mind the shooter is using 7.62X54R surplus light ball ammunition with 147 grain. Just something to look at if you are aspiring to get a Romak-3 like I am.

Regards,

Quaid

Ash
July 18, 2008, 11:34 PM
I own an SVD - no, not a Tiger - and PSL. They are most certainly comparable. The SVD has a better trigger, but the PSL can go toe to toe in actual combat with the SVD.

Ash

(Yeah, I know, its a resurrected post, but heck, why not?)

n00b
March 24, 2009, 04:31 PM
LOL
6MOA @ 600meters = 6" :cuss:

Would that not be more like a 39" Group?

1 MOA is about 1.05" per 100yards

So

1MOA @ 50yards = 1/2" (about)
1MOA @ 100yards = 1" (about)
1MOA @ 600yards = 6" (about)
6MOA @ 600yards = 36" (about)

6MOA @ 660yards (about 600meters) = 39" (about)

:cool:

maskedman504
March 24, 2009, 04:41 PM
Alert: you are responding to a post from 8 months ago!

jonc
March 24, 2009, 05:04 PM
I would really like to own one someday. Right now I can't afford it tho. Let us know how it shoots

Art Eatman
March 24, 2009, 06:25 PM
nOOb: Look at dates before posting!

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