what do these numbers mean on the hk p7?


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yongxingfreesty
October 17, 2007, 11:21 AM
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=82505375

i kno the 17042 is the serial, but on the link below what does 11/82 mean?
is that when the gun was made? imported?

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83046978

are all p7 psps police trade ins? how can you tell?

thanks

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GunNut
October 17, 2007, 11:28 AM
IIRC, date put in service. It should also be really close to when the gun was made.

yongxingfreesty
October 17, 2007, 11:58 AM
hmm, wow. those guns are old. i cant wait for mine to come in (9/87)

why do some have it and some dont? does it mean that it is a police trade in if it does?

yongxingfreesty
October 17, 2007, 07:59 PM
anyone?

GunNut
October 17, 2007, 08:18 PM
Visiting hkpro.com or parkcitiestactical.com will get your answers quickly.

BrainLazy
October 17, 2007, 09:37 PM
P7s were sold both through regular civilian channels and through special government contracts, the easiest way to tell the difference is by the proof marks.

Normally, commercial H&Ks have the ULM house proof mark (an antler) on the slide, frame, and barrel. However, the German government does their own proof testing on department contract firearms.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3296/p7markingsij9.jpg

Instead of the ULM antler, you'll see an 'eagle bracketed' BWB above a 3 digit number. That BWB stands for Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik und Beschaffung or "Federal Bureau of Military Technology and Procurement"
In addition to the month/year date mentioned in the post above, you'll find a mark designating the department it was originally purchased for. (In this example (Nds) Polizei Niedersachsen, or the "Lower Saxony State Police".)

Another common department mark to find on trade-in P7s is BMI, Bundesministerium des Innern, or "Federal Ministry of the Interior".

hksw
October 17, 2007, 10:59 PM
If you examine the factory test target, the target was shot in 11/82 when it was manufactured. (European dating convention is DD.MM.YY. Gun was made either the 18th or 19th (hard to tell) of 11/82.)

hksw
October 17, 2007, 11:00 PM
If you examine the factory test target, the target was shot in 11/82 when it was manufactured. (European dating convention is DD.MM.YY. Gun was made either the 18th or 19th (hard to tell) of 11/82.)

usp9
October 18, 2007, 09:02 AM
Hmmmm...
11/82, serial number 17042

My 12/83 is serial number 621XX, meaning 45,100 guns made in little over a year.

My 05/95 at serial number 809XX shows only 18,700 guns made in twelve years.

I wonder why the drastic slow down?? Anyone know?

hksw
October 18, 2007, 02:02 PM
USP is my guess.

CWL
October 18, 2007, 02:20 PM
These were very expensive to manufacture because it required lots of machining. H&K made these pistols to fulfill national police pistol requisitions with smaller amounts going into the private community. Once the police contracts ran out, H&K decreased their manufacture. By making these for civilian market in only small numbers, it kept the price & value very high.

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