Questions for Arizona (or other) open-carriers


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TheFrontRange
July 13, 2003, 06:30 PM
I'm a CCW holder in Alabama where (I believe) open-carry in public is not allowed except for law enforcement personnel.

I'm curious about you gunners in AZ (and other states?) where open-carry is allowed...first, is it common to see gun owners carrying openly where you live? Second, is the public for the most part pretty attuned to this where it's no big deal? (I did just read a related thread where a THR member in AZ was accosted in a video store). Thirdly, what about the workplace...do most businesses allow employees to practice open carry while on the job...talking about non-LEO types of work here, of course.

Thanks for any info!

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Steve Smith
July 13, 2003, 06:35 PM
Open carry is legal in CO.

Your answers:
1: Nope
2: Nope
3: Nope

To add, it 1 freaks people out to no end, 2 freaks me out because I feel like I have all eyes on me (kinda like walking around with a shirt that says something REALLY offensive on the back) and 3 it tips my hand completely if I evern need the gun to protect myself.

El Tejon
July 13, 2003, 06:38 PM
Hi, Front. Indiana checking in. To answer your questions:

1. It is not common. Most people who carry understand that it is a good idea to carry concealed. Some believe, because all the talk in the gun rags about "CCW", that you must carry concealed.

Can depend on where you are here. In small towns or in the country I have seen it. Here in the city, practically unknown.

2. This is Indiana. Everyone has one, so not that big of a deal (We're not rah-rah "pro-gun", just accept the fact that it's a right, people have them, and move on). The last nervous glance I got was from a woman from Illinois at the gas station who wanted to know what kind of "cell phone" I was carrying--it was my double mag pouch. She nearly fainted standing up.:D

3. I know of no business where this is done. I do not in my office, unless a weekend or holiday.

AZTOY
July 13, 2003, 07:22 PM
# 1 Well i live in the sticks and everyone is open carrys.I open carry mostly when i'm out in the desert and in town. I do have a gun in the truck at all times and at work the truck is parked 5 feet from the door. I think most people have CCW or have a loaded gun in there car. I have not seen alot of people open carry in Tucson.

#2 I think most people are open to guns in AZ. If you you look at the thread about cowboy shoot on KGUN9 that was on local TV.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31016 .


#3 I never seen a employee open carry while on the job. (ONLY GUN STORES)

Old Fuff
July 13, 2003, 07:25 PM
In Arizona open-carry is legal. Concealed carry requires a license (except for law enforcement officers). A business can post a "no guns allowed" sign, but most don't - or the post, but make an exception for licensed individuals.

Open cary is relatively common in rural areas and doesn't cause much concern, although during the winter months a "snowbird" from one of the Socialist States back East or directly West of us may become upset. We take it in stride. We live there, they can go away.

When and where one should openly carry is a matter of good judgement. Generally speaking when I go into a retail store I don't carry openly. (I can carry concealed). I could, but I don't want to make waves for the management.

blades67
July 13, 2003, 10:39 PM
I have carried openly, and concealed, in Arizona since 1989 and that was the first time some fool has tried to pick a fight with me while I was carrying unconcealed. Open carry isn't uncommon around here, but neither is an out-of-state visitor getting the vapors because they see a gun.:rolleyes: Gun shops, Pawn shops, Armored Car and security firms are about the only places employees get to carry guns on the job.

.45Ruger
July 13, 2003, 10:43 PM
I live in the Phoenix metro area and I open carry sometimes. I've gone into grocery stores, banks, range, Walmart among others. So far I've never been bothered. For the most part I have never seen open carry on employees besides, LEO, Security Guards, and at gun stores. Most people are so oblivious to whats going on around them they never even notice the guy with a gun on his hip. I did have a LEO at the local Safeway (we were both shopping) ask me what I was carrying. I thought at first he was going to hastle me, so I said barely audibly, a pistol. He says, yeah but what kind of pistol, I told him an XD 40, he sais cool looks alot like my GLOCK 22. That's the limit of ANYONE commenting on my open carry. I do reccomend having a CCW because it is nice for some places like the mall that have a generic no weapons sighn that I never see.

VictorLouis
July 13, 2003, 11:58 PM
would you carry openly? Other than while at a range, or in the wide-open while shooting, I haven't once carried openly since getting a permit.

There's just about no need for it, IMHO. I could care less about offending the sheeple, I'm talking about more pressing concerns. I read Blade's earlier thread, and that's certainly one of them. Another is the fact that you may be the first one attacked if an armed goblin enters the establishment you're patronizing. A third is the possiblity of assault in order to get your gun. I was informed of just such a documented instance during my CCW course.

Other than while hiking around the desert, where you might want something of quick access for snakes, I just don't see the need, nor have the desire.:)

Ian
July 14, 2003, 12:15 AM
I find it a bit hard to swallow the idea that an aspiring criminal would deliberately attack a person carrying openly, rather than wait for a less hazardous time/place to make their robbery. Has someone done a study and found open carry to be a risk in this way? I'd be very interested in seeing it if that's the case. I like the idea of open carry because carrying a pistol isn't something to be ashamed of. If people were used to seeing guns in public, I think a lot of the irrational fear of them would dissipate and more legal reform would become possible. I also like the idea because I can't get a permit here yet, but I can open carry. :)

Back to the questions posed, I have open carried a bit, but mostly on private property. It's legal here in CO, but I've never seen anyone do it (I'm in the Denver area though, and it might be more common in more rural areas). They gun shop employees all carry, of course.

VictorLouis
July 14, 2003, 12:44 AM
He entered a gas-station to make a purchase and two bangers(or wannabees) inside thought he'd be an easy-mark. Something along the lines of, "He ain't no cop. He ain't got no radio to call for back-up." The point was NOT in getting the gun in order to rob the place, simply to get themselves a gun.

I saw a 1911-armed elderly man once who was so feeble as to make a predatory type salivate at the appearance of 'prey'. That's not to say he may have been easy to take-on. Had he been concealed; however, the thought wouldn't have crossed my condition-yellow, law-abiding mind.:)

dav
July 14, 2003, 12:58 AM
I'm on Ian's side here, very strongly.

People are afraid of guns. Many, many gun "nuts", including many on this board, are "afraid" to carry open, thinking it will make them a target.

This is ridiculous. If a badguy has enough brains to even notice you carrying, he will have enough brains to wait until you are out of the area.

Police carry open. Do they make prime targets? Get real. It isn't the radio scaring badguys off. It is the weapon!

Carry open if you can. If you don't, you will rapidly lose the "right" to do so. It happened here, it will happen where you live, too.

David Row
San Diego

Matt1911
July 14, 2003, 01:25 AM
Open carry is not to unusal around here.I cover up,but a friend carrys open,is in a service business,in peoples homes,and has had no complaits.I've seen a few nervous looks,but no outright freaking out,at gas stations ect.We have discussed it several times,and agree to disagree.
I have only recently started carrying,and maybe its just new awareness,but it seems open and barely concealed(t-shirt,ect) is becoming more common.Just geography?

timbo
July 14, 2003, 07:55 AM
Well, I don't have the concealed or open option around here. I would like the option though to carry if I was taking a walk at night or going on a hike, or perhaps even if I was going into an area of town I wouldn't normally want to be in. I wouldn't likely carry everywhere I could though, only where I think it would be needed. So, instead, I have to carry a Mag-lite.

Oracle
July 14, 2003, 08:44 AM
Open carry is legal here in Georgia if you have a permit. Basically, once you have a permit, you can choose to carry openly or concealed. You do see people carrying openly here on occasion, I've never seen anyone make a big deal out of it, it's basically ignored. As for people carrying openly while working, I've seen several gas station clerks/owners carrying openly, and there is one jewelry store in town where they all carry openly.

I personally don't carry openly often. I do think that if more people carried openly, people would get used to it, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Sisco
July 14, 2003, 09:44 AM
Open carry is allowed in KS, subject to local ordanance.
I asked a LEO about it, he told me there was no local law against it BUT
don't expect to do it hassle free. Some concerned sheeple will panic and call 911 and an officer will arrive to ask what your intentions are.

veloce851
July 14, 2003, 01:15 PM
Sisco : if you dont' mind me asking what part of KS are you in? I'm in the KC, KS area and it is really hard to research the open carry situation.
Since it is an area made up of dozens of individual cities, several counties and 2 states.
I started doing some research to ensure all the cities and counties I expected to travel in during my daily life, don't have laws countering the state law that allows me to open carry.

I would like to start open carrying, however I know its going to be a major hassle. And my concern is having an over zealous cop threaten my life just for exercising my God given, constitutionally secured right.

Sisco
July 14, 2003, 01:29 PM
Live way out West. Garden City.

Partisan Ranger
July 14, 2003, 01:43 PM
Anyone can open carry in Virginia, but I haven't yet. I have a CCW so I do carry concealed frequently.

I have never seen anyone carrying a gun openly in my area and I think people would freak if I did. We were at a buffet restaurant Sat. night and there were a zillion kids there. If I open carried my K-9, I really think I wouldn't have had to wait ten minutes in line for a table. Everyone would've cleared out quick! Hey, maybe that's another good reason to carry openly!

OF
July 14, 2003, 01:51 PM
If people were used to seeing guns in public, I think a lot of the irrational fear of them would dissipate and more legal reform would become possible. I'm with Ian as well. I don't open carry myself because 1) I'm a pansy, and 2) I'd pretty much be the only one carrying openly in Southern Maine... And there are some sheep mixed in around here.

But I completely support and respect those who do! Carry on!

- Gabe

wingnutx
July 14, 2003, 01:55 PM
I open carry only when going to and from the range.

I see people carrying periodically, but it's not common at all.

When someone is in a line in front of me openly carrying, I always think about how easy it would be to clock them over the head and take their weapon.

bogie
July 14, 2003, 02:10 PM
I saw a 1911-armed elderly man once who was so feeble as to make a predatory type salivate at the appearance of 'prey'.

Hmmm... How old is the colonel?

And what was the name of that brit who popularized the double-edged dagger during WWII? I understand that he had a hobby of being muggerbait, and could be rather rough on 'em...

Partisan Ranger
July 14, 2003, 02:13 PM
I've also been concerned that if I open carry, some whack-job will grab or touch my piece. As we all know, there are oodles of gun-ignoramuses out there wandering the land, and somebody at some point would no doubt touch it without my permission.

WhoKnowsWho
July 14, 2003, 03:50 PM
I much prefer concealed.

A friend, before he got his CCW open carried often, but also left his gun openly visible in his truck too. :scrutiny:

At least he has learned a bit.

mrstang01
July 14, 2003, 05:51 PM
I'm with the carry open all you can folks, and to you guys talking about someone touching or grabbing your gun... we're not talking about a Hollywood gunslinger's rig, where the gun rides half way down your leg are we?

My weapon is carried in an open top holster, and most of the time, people won't even notice it. It's right at the level that my elbow covers it, and I'm pretty sure my elbow would be in their teeth before they could grab my gun.

YMMV, etc.

TheFrontRange
July 14, 2003, 09:42 PM
Thanks for all the replies! I wish we had the option the option here for open carry, just to have in the "toolbox" so to speak.

My only real experience with open carry came during a stint with the local Sheriff's Reserve. When we weren't in uniform on-duty, we were allowed to carry openly in our civvies as long as we had our badge on the belt, too. I carried this way in public only a small handful of times and, as mentioned by some of the posters above, went mostly un-noticed even with that shiny silver star on. I did feel very conspicuous just the same. Now, yeah...those that DID notice sometimes did an initial double-take. :)

These days, my only vent for those open-carry want-tos is while attending the gun show downtown!

NRA Instructor
July 15, 2003, 09:34 AM
In Wisconsin open carry is legal but frowned upon. We do not have CC (yet).

Permits are not required to purchase a handgun. Just the normal background checks for anyone over the age of 21.

BUT no one I know would recommend a citizen carry openly in any city in this state as a police office can arrest you for something else. In Basic Pistol classes we tell our students to use common sense about this, to put themselves in an officers boots for a minute. Since it isn't commonly done you'll be suspect. And any bad publicity could hurt our efforts to get the Right to Carry passed as many newspapers are not overly supportive and the anti-gun people would just love to have something to shout about.

I have only heard of one local person who openly carried in Sheboygan, WI. A few years ago I was told he went into a K-mart back when they sold ammo to buy same. He was a well known local mud raker and no one made any complaints, which we assume was what he had in mind in the first place. His lawyer was probably standing by with a camera.

It would not be legal to openly carry in an auto as all firearms must be unloaded, cased and carried in the trunk of a car. In a truck they should be either in the glove compartment or under the passenger seat and away from the driver.

Open carry is more acceptable in rural areas, in the field for example, but then you'd better have a hunting lic. Hunting with a handgun is legal in WI.

We continue to work on the Right to Carry and a bill will be again be introduced in Sept and it has a lot of support from both houses. Our governor may be the problem in getting it into law.

Erich
July 15, 2003, 10:15 AM
1. No one does it nowadays.

2. The public is not used to open carry.

3. I don't know of any businesses where open carry is practiced. In the olden days (15 yrs ago), one of the local liquor stores had all their employees carrying .45s openly.

444
July 16, 2003, 01:27 AM
Arizona: When I have taken classes at Gunsite, a number of students openly carried around town such as at the grocery store and restraunts. Nobody said a thing, and I saw other people openly carrying. I personally didn't.
Nevada: I have openly carried, but basically just driving to and from where I was going to shoot although I stopped along the way at a convienice store or gas station. I once openly carried into a bar and no one said a thing. I was out rock climbing and carried a Smith J-Frame in an open holster. We stopped on the way home for lunch and a beer. I totally forgot I had it on until I went to get back in the car. No one said a thing about it. I occasionally see people openly carrying around town. I know my gun dealer carries openly everywhere he goes. As a side note: we have a guy that stands along side the main drag of town every morning, or at least most every morning holding a cardboard sign with the bill of rights on it and a pistol on his belt. I honk at him every morning on my way home from work. He is sort of a local celebrity.

Jeff OTMG
July 17, 2003, 02:23 AM
If I wanted to carry a full size pistol in Az. I would open carry. I don't want to worry about a cover garment when it is 110 outside. Unfortunately in Texas open carry of a handgun is not an option, so I am left with pocket carry of a smaller pistol most of the 140 days over 90 degrees. When I did carry open in Va. and W.V. I noticed two things. Either the people did not even notice that I was armed, though it was a Glock 30 in a black holster wearing a black polo shirt, or they assumed that I was some sort of LEO since I was in an area with a bunch of feds around.

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