Seecamp 32 vs Kel-Tec 32 vs Beretta Tomcat


October 21, 2007, 09:09 AM
I was wondering of the Seecamp 32, Beretta Tomcat 32 and the Kel-Tec 32, which is the better mouse gun??? Which one carries better, shoots more accurate and has better reliability?????

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October 21, 2007, 09:15 AM
I think the Seecamp is smaller and better made and reliable than the others you mentioned...I have had my Seecamp for almost 18 years now trouble free but it is not shot a whole lot...

October 21, 2007, 09:17 AM
Kel-Tec because that is what I actually own!!

1 old 0311
October 21, 2007, 09:27 AM
The N.A.A. Guardian has a better reliability reputation than the Kel Tec. The Guardian also shoots ANY ammo, unlike the Seecamp that is limited to 1-2 kinds. The Guardian is smaller than the Beretta. Choice is easy.:)

October 21, 2007, 09:28 AM
A few years ago Gun Test magazine compared the Kel-Tec against the Beretta and the Walther. They rated the Kel-Tec as the best buy. I own a Kel-Tec P3 and like it a lot.

Ol` Joe
October 21, 2007, 10:13 AM
But then I own a LS380. The Seecamps are head and shoulders above the Kel-Tec/berreta in quality IMO, althought the price also reflects that. Accuracy in a mouse gun isn`t very important. They are meant to last ditch belly to belly defence weapons, not as afternoon at the range shooters. The Seecamps actually don`t have sights at all. They all are more then accurate enough for this purpose though. If you want a shooter, get a pistol designed for it. If you want a "pocket" pistol for emergency defence, look for reliability, ease of concealment, non-snagging design. All of the named pistols represent this, and if they prove to be 100% reliable in your hands, IMO they all will work.

October 21, 2007, 11:09 AM
I voted for the Keltec for the only reason that is what I own. I have carried this gun daily and it has been shot a good bit. It literally dissapears when carried so you never have to leave it behind. It shoots quiet accurately suprising actually. It has never malfunctioned short of I tried to shoot a box of "american ammo" through it. It is a great good and a better value. I am not knocking the others I am sure they are both great guns. I just have to vote for the one I know about and trust.

October 21, 2007, 12:23 PM
I voted Kel Tec because I have. I want a Seecamp . Over all a better made pistol. But you can buy 2 KT for about price of a Seecamp.
Beretta please to thick heavy and terrible trigger.

Joe Demko
October 21, 2007, 12:28 PM
The Keltec is superior to all others in weight.
The Guardian, which you neglected to include, is superior to the Keltec in accuracy and will almost certainly work correctly straight from the box with no fluffing, buffing or other home gunsmithing needed. The Guardian is cheaper than the Seecamp and works with a greater variety of ammo. The Guardian is substantially less bulky than the Beretta.

October 21, 2007, 12:28 PM
Apples and oranges. The Seecamp is all stainless, the Beretta has a crudmetal frame, and the Kel-Tec is made of an even more inferior material. If you consider them only as efficient short lifespan carry guns either one will do fine. If you want a treasure to own for a lifetime go Seecamp. The top section of the Kel-Tec is 4140 steel, there is nothing better than that, the reciever is crudmetal, and the frame is plsticrud.:barf:

Ala Dan
October 21, 2007, 01:03 PM
I voted for the Seecamp LWS-32, as its the only one I actually own~! :cool:

Never had much liking for the KEL-TEC P32, or the Beretta Tom-Cat 32. The
reason? Every new P-32 I have sold, has been returned for continous FTF
the last round from the magazine; and the Beretta is just too damn large~! ;)

October 21, 2007, 01:16 PM
If you want a pistol that will last a very long time buy the Seecamp LWS-32. If you want something that's VERY light to slip into your back pocket buy the Kel-Tec P-32. (like I did) Accuracy with a short barrel pistol is all about practice, both will shoot as well as you do. Sorry I can't vote for either because I don't know what your weight requirement is but I wouldn't vote for the Beretta.

IMO both have their place and IMO neither are considered a "mouse gun."

October 21, 2007, 04:46 PM
In most cases the Kel-Tec will last as long as you have it (lifetime warranty). That should be long enough for most people.

Unless you want to take it with you.;)

October 21, 2007, 05:42 PM

Had, or have 'em all..

1. Beretta Tomcat (1st series) was a pos, with Beretta CS/Warranty worse.
(I've heard the later series Tomcats were beefed up, and are better)

2. Keltec P32. My P32 has been excellent. It looks like a toy, but does an excellent job, especially for it's cost. KT Service I hear is excellent.

3. NAA Guardian. My Guardian has been excellent, CS is excellent.

4. Seecamp.. I have two* LWS32's, with another LWS32 and LWS380 in the pipeline. Absolute top quality, two decades of proven reliability (once you find out which of the hp rounds it likes) and is s m a l l and conceals better than the rest.

If you just want a short term carry mousegun I would suggest the KelTec and NAA will do the job quite well.

If you want a pistol for life, to hand down to your heirs, get a Seecamp.

Just my opinion, YMMV

Best Wishes,


* Ok, one is my wifes...:barf:

October 21, 2007, 06:00 PM
I own a Keltec 32, I owned a Beretta 32, I own a seecamp 32 and have owned three others before this one.

The Keltec is a good reliable 32.
The seecamp is the quintessential 32.

Which of the two [ Keltec or Seecamp ] do I carry every day?

The seecamp. In the final analysis, it is more reliable than the Keltec, and will last longer than the rest.

You buy quality and reliability when you buy seecamp. It only hurts once to spend the money for one, but you then have the 32 that all others are judged by.


October 21, 2007, 06:04 PM
Out of those 3, I picked Seecamp. But if I were in the market for a pocket .32, I'd go for an NAA. Only a tiny bit bigger than the Seecamp, but it'll work with FMJs.

October 21, 2007, 06:39 PM
Seecamp for all the reasons the above posters mentioned. The quality is superlative; handle one once, and the gun speaks for itself.

The ammunition limitation-only one or two brands-is somewhat dated. While the older 32's were designed for Winchester Silvertips only, the list of recommended ammo has increased considerably. Check for the current recommended list; most of the popular brands work. I use Speer GDHP's in mine.

October 21, 2007, 07:02 PM
I've only fired someone else's Keltec once before, so that's not real experience. The amount of negative comment makes me think it is of dubious reliability. As the price goes up it looks less and less attractive.

No experience with the Beretta other than fondling. It's heavy.

The Seecamp I've had for years. It has been utterly reliable. While it mostly digests Silver Tips and Gold Dots, it has also been perfect with Hornady, Cor Bon, Fiocchi, and some custom loads. Seecamp is not as picky as it's rep. Mine is twenty years old and I think I'll easily get another twenty out of her. As Seecamp prices have fallen to Guardian levels the choice is clear...for the money the best gun and the best buy, IMHO, is the Seecamp.

October 21, 2007, 07:12 PM
I have a Seecamp 380, hence Seecamp is my vote. But I would try a NA .32, I like the add-ons available for the NAs.

Two KTs for the price of a Seecamp and what do you have? Two KTs.

October 21, 2007, 08:34 PM
The Seecamp weighs twice what the Kel-Tec does and the NAA weighs even more than the Seecamp.. If you are going to pocket carry the Kel-Tec is best. The NAA is 13.6 oz, I would carry a J frame before a 14 oz .32 Auto.

All weighs are for empty pistols:
The P-32 weighs 6.6 oz.
NAA Guardian .32 Auto is 13.6 oz.
NAA Guardian .32 Auto is 18.7 oz.
The Seecamp .32 Auto and .380 Auto weigh 11.5 oz.
The Beretta .32 is 14.5 oz.

In most cases the Kel-Tec will last as long as you have it (lifetime warranty). That should be long enough for most people.

Unless you want to take it with you.
Ummm, bobo,
I'm talking about having a handgun for 30+ trouble free years like an old S&W revolver without having to send it back to the manufacturer. Kel-Tec tells you right on their site the P-32 and P-3AT will need parts changed at around 5000 rounds fired.

October 21, 2007, 08:48 PM
Beretta, simply because I got one for $150 NIB. :D

October 22, 2007, 12:05 AM
The Seecamp weighs twice what the Kel-Tec does and the NAA weighs even more than the Seecamp.. If you are going to pocket carry the Kel-Tec is best.

And the seecamp is considerably smaller than the keltec. Regardless of opinions, its safe to say that the keltec isn't "best" at anything.

October 22, 2007, 04:42 AM
And the seecamp is considerably smaller than the keltec. Regardless of opinions, its safe to say that the keltec isn't "best" at anything.

Seecamp LWS32
Empty Weigh: 11.5 oz.
Loaded Weight: 13.25 oz.
Capacity: 6+1
Height: 3.25"
Slide Width: .725"
Grip Width: .86"
Length: 4.25"

Kel-Tec P-32
Empty Weigh: 6.65 oz.
Loaded Weight: 8.80 oz.
Capacity: 7+1
Height: 3.5"
Slide Width: .745"
Grip Width: .70"
Length: 5.08"

"The Seecamp is considerably smaller?"
Sorry, slightly smaller I agree but it's anything but considerably smaller!! :rolleyes:

All that said, I own a P-32 but the Seecamp is an outstanding pistol. I only wish I could afford one.

October 22, 2007, 06:44 AM
Seecamp. The quintessential "always" gun that always works.

October 22, 2007, 07:39 AM
Well, I never gave it much thought, but I have all three and their purchase order was: Beretta, Kel-Tec, Seecamp. I found the Tomcat to be susceptable to jamming, and I've never carried it.

The Kel-Tec never jammed, but I was really never comfortable shooting it. Consequently, I never carried it either.

I did carry the Seecamp for awhile in a pocket holster. An interesting thing happened with it one day at a local chain store. I was looking at the NAA Guardian and mentioned that I was carrying the Seecamp. The store wasn't busy so I asked the two guys behind the counter if they wanted to see it. They did.

Since I had it in a pocket holster, I removed it from my pocket and handed it to them. Behind the counter they removed it from the holster and unloaded it. They then compared it to the NAA and were very impressed with the quality of the Seecamp. Personally I never thought that there was that much difference, but when they pointed out the fit and finish it was obvious.

Question: do you expect to trust your life to the pistol? As much as I trust the Seecamp, I no longer carry it. I now carry a S&W Airlite revolver in a pocket holster. However, I wouldn't hesitate to carry the Seecamp again. I'd probably also consider carrying the Kel-Tec, but I wouldn't the Tomcat because I didn't find it reliable and it is heavy and bulky.

October 22, 2007, 05:27 PM
The N.A.A. Guardian has a better reliability reputation than the Kel Tec. The Guardian also shoots ANY ammo, unlike the Seecamp that is limited to 1-2 kinds. The Guardian is smaller than the Beretta. Choice is easy.

+1 !!! I have the G32 and G380, I feel they are the best pocket gun made. The Seecamp is a nice show off piece but when it comes to being a variable, practical work horse I believe the Guardian wins hands down. Flame suit on!!

October 22, 2007, 07:30 PM

I don't see why anyone should take offense at your post.

You prefer the NAA Guardian over the Seecamp, that's all.. Not a problem for me.

I don't think of my cc mousegun as being a "practical work horse". I simply put it (in it's wallet holster) in my back pocket when I pick up my wallet and car keys.. Always available, no work involved. No wear involved, just what works for me.

For my needs the LWS32 is "just" enough smaller and more concealable than the Guardian to be my choice for daily cc.. The NAA, as I mentioned earlier is a fine mousegun, I just prefer the Seecamp.

Both of us are right in that our preferences are just that, "preferences", and what works best for you just doesn't for me, and vice-versa.. I think both of us are well armed.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

Ala Dan
October 22, 2007, 09:16 PM
No problems here with anyone's post~! ;)

October 22, 2007, 09:22 PM
If you can find a kel tec .32 that works I think you will be happy. I have 2 that work just fine. The secamps are expensive and are ammo restricted. They were designed to shoot the w/w silvertip, but I suppose they will digest anything that will fit in the mag. They are heavy as are the naa. Try and find a first generation kel tec with serial no above 80,000 or so. Some of the earlier ones had weak extractor springs. I'm not a fan of the 2nd generation k/t's as I don't trust the extractor and the frankenbolt that holds it and the firing pin stop. If you find a good k/t you won't even notice it in your pocket due to it's size and very low weight.

October 22, 2007, 09:55 PM
I have a KT P3AT b/c it's basically the same size & weight as the P32, and it disappears in my pocket. I never did a fluff & buff, and mine has been literally 100%. I guess I got a good one.

I didn't buy it to hand down to my grandkids. I bought it as a 24/7 go everywhere gun that would last me a while. I shoot it enough to stay proficient with it, but not so much that I'm worried about its longevity.

The Seecamp looks nice, but for the weight (and cost), you could likely carry a more potent gun in a more powerful caliber. Just my $.02

October 23, 2007, 10:03 AM
All three choices are better at the things you listed. It depends what your criteria or priority is. Here is a ranking by question:

Shoots better
1. Beretta
2. NAA
3. Kel tec

Carries better
1. Kel tec
2. NAA
3. Beretta

1. NAA
2. Beretta
3. Kel-tec

My choice is for a gun that shoots well in a .32 your ganna need to place the bullets where they need to go.....Beretta. But, if you need a 7 oz gun that does not feel like it is there.....than Kel-tec.

When teaching the elderly the tip up barrel design was very useful because you did not have to rack a slide. Hey those slides can be hard to grasp with the proper hand strength for some people.....even petitte women can struggle with some slides.

Ghost Walker
October 23, 2007, 11:13 AM
:) Interesting thread! I’ve owned a 2nd generation Beretta, ‘Alley Cat’ for the past 8 years. It took me all of 2 or 3 years to finally make up my mind as to which mouse gun I wanted to carry in my front left pocket.

I’ll agree that a Kel-Tec is a, ‘best buy’. Many of my associates carry one, and recommended that I should do the same. Seecamp has its fans; I don’t happen to be one of them. Who cares, ‘Why’! The Guardian was my second choice; but, it does have that last round, ‘stovepipe problem’. (Which some people tell me is, actually, an advantage!)

I finally settled on the Beretta 32 acp because (1) it fit inside my pocket, and (2) I wanted a pistol that transitions well from recent – if not immediate – use of a full-size semi-auto. Contrary to what many believe, that wide backstrap is actually an advantage! I’m able to draw my BUG from a pocket, grab a sight picture, and empty the magazine into an 8” circle all the way out to 16 yards.

I doubt I’d be as accurate with any other BUG. (As a matter of fact, I KNOW I wouldn’t!) While I never appreciated these features until I finally owned the pistol, that wide backstrap and pop-up barrel actually do come in handy for: transitioning, shooting straight, loading, and unloading. It ain’t about weight; it ain’t about price; and, within reason, it ain’t about size.

It, also, ain't about frame composition or material either. It really doesn’t matter what any of these little BUGS is made out of because ALL of them have an effective operating life of something less than 5,000 rounds.

When you need a BUG, it’s got to fit your hand and, possibly, go up against a much larger gun! So far, my Beretta, ‘Alley Cat’ has served me well. In 800 to 1,000 rounds I've had: no misfires; no jams; goes, ‘bang’ every time; and, inside 16 yards, it’ll hit whatever I point at.

If I went out tomorrow morning to buy another BUG, I’d get another Beretta 32 acp - Only this time it would be one of the new stainless or titanium models. :cool:

Not pretty, just plain functional!

October 23, 2007, 06:33 PM
KT due to light weight, the old reliability stuff has been overcome long ago for the 32 and the 38, but not their new 9.

Some in the Seecamp community remind me of the old Grey Poupon commercials, while the KT folks are that "please pass the jelly" crowd:neener:

October 23, 2007, 06:41 PM
I just wish somebody was still making serious quality pocket guns with single action triggers and a manual safety. I'd really like a pocket backup, but the DAO guns are just not for me. Seems like the only ones available are junk guns like cobra and davis.

October 23, 2007, 10:35 PM

i choose the Seecamp, having had all the others mentioned in the past....

the beretta wins over the seecamp for "shootability" due to its larger grip, but then its not as small.

the kel-tek wins in the weight dept. but is far out classed by the Seecamp in workmanship, durability, and reliablity.

i chose the Seecamp because its the best balance of all three issues with true pocket mouse guns, and it will last longer than i will....

October 24, 2007, 02:58 AM
While your post was well done I don't think it's really useful to Ghostrider. You gave detailed lists ranking the Beretta, NAA, and Kel-Tec pistols but he asked about Beretta, Kel-Tec and Seecamp. I'm sure it's just a mis-type since the NAA pistol was written about in this thread a lot.

Ghost Walker
October 24, 2007, 11:36 AM
:confused: What was that?

October 24, 2007, 11:54 AM
I have seen and handle all of them and here's my thoughts.

The Beretta as nice as it is seems a bit wide and heavy, though it can be fitted with a laser handle.

The Seecamp is nice but for the price and seeing it's a 32, I'd rather spend the extra money and get something a bit more powerful chamber in a 9mm or 380.

I think the Kel-Tec is the way to go. It's very light, has a belt clip and can be fittied with a laser as well. Not expensive at all and has a life time warranty. The 32's seem to have had all the bugs worked out of them unlike the 380's and at the legal defense distance, 7 rounds center mass will do the job.

October 24, 2007, 11:56 AM
Of the three choices you list I voted Seecamp the Kel Tec is Bic-ish the Beretta pocket guns I have tried had reliability issues.
If N.A.A. Guardian were on the list then I may have voted that way allot of bang for the buck in a small package and not as finicky.

Dallas Jack
October 24, 2007, 12:03 PM
Question for you guys that have experience with all three guns. How do the triggers compare?
I voted for the Kel Tec because that is the only one I have handled.
Dallas Jack

Ol` Joe
October 24, 2007, 08:47 PM
I have only fired my LW380 Seecamp beside my brothers P380AT Kel-Tek, but I rate the Seecamps trigger far ahead of the Kel-Tek. As a dbl action trigger IMO it is hard to beat in a non target factory arm but I can`t honestly say how it compares with the Beretta or NAA.

October 25, 2007, 04:27 AM
I own a Beretta Tomcat and it's been a nice little pistol. I really like the tip up barrel to load that last round.
But it's a fat little beast!!!
Also, one wants to grip this piece fairly low to avoid getting bit by the slide.

So, I voted for the Seecamp. I've seen 'em...never fired one though.

October 25, 2007, 09:38 AM

I've already posted once on this issue, but after reading all the posts I'd like to comment again.

I think the original question was which of the three listed:

1. Carries Better
2. Is more accurate
3. Has better reliability

Just my opinion, but without a doubt (for me) the Seecamp carries better. The KT and NAA aren't bad, but the LWS32 is just enough smaller to conceal easier in my rear wallet holster.

Accuracy is sort of a trick question. I depend on my mousegun to be a last ditch up close and personal self defense weapon. I'm talking 3' or less, probably less.. Or, just pull it out, point it at the threat and pull the trigger.

But, there is no doubt that even the minimal sights on the KT & NAA offer better "target type" shooting than the Seecamp, (which has no sights). But I didn't buy my mousegun for target shooting, I use it for close up self defense and in that situation no sights are necessary.. I'm a "point and shoot" kinda guy, I would be watching the threat, not the sights regardless of which pistol I had.

I've had my P32 for a couple of years and it has always performed just fine. I 've had my Guardian for 8-10 years and it's been just fine too. I don't think a person would be poorly served with either. I'm not selling mine.

So, I'm convinced that if a person has a KelTec or NAA Guardian they are satisfied with then if they're happy, I'm happy for them.

I think over the long haul the LWS32 and the NAA would probably be more reliable, and I think for plinking duty the KT & NAA would do better than the LWS32, and I think everyone should just get what makes them feel "warm and fuzzy" and don't worry about what opinions of the other two might be from folks who probably haven't fired all three to compare anyway.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy...

October 25, 2007, 10:04 AM
I owned a Seecamp. It was a very nicely made and finished gun, but it should be for the money. It also was quite heavy and had a lousy trigger.

I carry a KelTec. It is much, much lighter, about the same size, and the trigger is very smooth. It is also more accurate by a large margin.

If both guns were the same price, I would still buy the KelTec.

October 25, 2007, 12:37 PM
Keltec all the way! Those other pistols appear to be fine machines, but when pocket carrying a gun day in and day out, I prefer the light beater of a gun...

I would be really upset if I ever got nick or a ding in either the Seecamp, or the NAA... They are pretty little pistols!

November 3, 2007, 08:01 PM
I have owned all three of these guns. The Beretta is way to big, too
thick, and too heavy for it's power. Despite its size and weight it also
has fairly heavy recoil, and mine jammed. Several other people I know had them and they jammed also.

The Seecamp is a far better gun, but it is also heavy, has pretty
heavy recoil, and is actually too small. It's a one finger on the grip

I have Kel-Tec in both .32 and .380. Both have been 100%
reliable with a wide variety of ammo. I personally prefer the .32.
It has very little recoil, is extremely accurate, and has a good
double action that is both smooth and light. I have found both
the accuracy and the trigger to be the best of the three. In addition
these are in wide use in my department in both .32 and .380 as BUG's.
I have seen many of these gun's pulled from pockets and fired and
literally watched lint from pocket carry flying away, with no function

As far as longevity, an earlier poster commented correctly. None
of these weapons are intended to fire endless thousands of rounds.
I do know of one P3AT with nearly 2000 without a problem, and at
least two more with over a thousand. Also a great many in the 500-
1000 rnd range. My friend has a P-32 with nearly a thousand rounds
through it. We can't find any sign of wear whatsoever.

I have all the usual brands: SIGS, Glock, Beretta, Walther and others.
I generally prefer guns with a high level of build quality and good fit
and finish. That preference doesn't blind me to reality. The Kel-Tec is
by far the best choice of the three. Easiest to carry, best trigger,
best accuracy, and lowest recoil.

November 3, 2007, 09:58 PM
I voted for the Kel-Tec P32 because of the one I own. It has been reliable, accurate, and easy to carry. No knock on the other guns listed, but this particular pistol just gets it done for me.

November 3, 2007, 11:15 PM

Personal choice in a firearm is just that, "personal choice".. I think most of us have the ability to "buy" the "other" choice, but if the one we already have is doing the job for us, why change?

I started with the Tomcat, went to the Guardian (good move), then on a whim bought a P32... Then later when I found out that the Seecamps were again available and reasonably priced I bought one of those. With the exception of the Tomcat, which honestly was a pos, the other three are basically "toss ups" as to which is better in one area or less favored in another.

So if your KelTec, or Guardian, or even a later series (improved) Tomcat does the job you want it to do, you can trust it with your life, and it brings a smile of satisfaction to you just knowing you feel adequately armed then you have the weapon you need.

I prefer my LWS32, lust after an LWS380 (on order actually), but would feel well armed with either my P32 or Guardian.


J. Pomeroy

November 7, 2007, 11:57 PM
I was wondering of the Seecamp 32, Beretta Tomcat 32 and the Kel-Tec 32 . . .

which is the better mouse gun???
Since "better" is the accumulation of different factors, let's see . . .

Which one carries better,

Hands down, the ultra-light little Kel-tec P32 does. It is super thin in width and thus conceals better. It is also very light . . . again, giving the nod to the Kel-Tec.

shoots more accurate and
The Beretta should . . .

has better reliability?????

Like someone said, a well-broken in Kel-Tec that shucks everything you through into it makes a very reliable gun.

I own the Kel-Tec for concealability, lightness of weight, etc. It can be thrown into a pocket and taken virtually everywhere without fear of being spotted. Thus, it is . . . or was . . . my ultimate BUG.

Today though, I've transitioned to a J-frame snubbie. Why? It is a great wheelgun and totally reliable. It also groups like this at ten yards! You can't get this kind of accuracy in a little .32 automatic.

For comparison, here's my best ever group at 10 yards with the Kel-Tec P32:


November 8, 2007, 08:06 AM

Congratulations on your shooting skills... I couldn't group like that at ten yards with a sniper rifle when I was young...

Best Wishes,

J Pomeroy

P.S. Here's a photo of my favorite S&W snubby. I have absolutely no difficulty with "one hole groups" @ ten yards.. I often have 5 of them in a row. :rolleyes:

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