PT145, is there a real story?


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Ed Ames
October 21, 2007, 08:57 PM
I've been considering getting a concealed permit. One factor is that I don't really have any good concealment guns. Closest I have is a CZ-82. It'll work but it's large and heavy for its power.

After a bit of research it seems like a PT145 would be a good choice. It reviews well, only complaints I've seen here are plastic cracking on older models which supposedly Taurus has fixed. I went into a gun store hoping to see one... the guy behind the counter went into this speech: "I don't recommend the Millennium series because we've seen a 40% failure rate on them... the PT1911 seems fine. The Millenniums are like Mossberg shotguns; no good for defense though they're fine for uses where a failure just means you lose a day hunting or at the range."

I asked him what else he would recommend... he basically said "there's a glock 30... we don't have any." He pointed out his selection of .45 pistols they were basically all 1911 variants.

So... was it truth as seen by someone in a position to know, a salesperson trying to upsell to a more expensive gun, or something else altogether?

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Calhoun
October 21, 2007, 09:45 PM
Um... I'd find a new store to frequent.

1. If the PT145 had a 40% failure rate you would hear about it all over the place and that model would more than likely be recalled.

2. I didn't realize that Mossbergs weren't any good for defense. Apparently neither does the US military.

That guy was just trying to push you towards what he had in stock. Find somewhere else to look.

rcellis
October 21, 2007, 09:46 PM
I doubt *very* seriously that they are getting 40% failure rates - if I was a retailer I wouldn't stock such junk - perhaps you should have asked him why *they* did....


My experience with Taurus is very good - I've had 3 24/7s, and a PT140 Mil Pro in auto and a 85 .38 in revolver. All of them work fine.

ReadyontheRight
October 21, 2007, 09:50 PM
Wow. A 1911 as his only option for a starting carry pistol.

RUN to a new shop. There's nothing wrong with 1911s and nothing necessarily good or bad about a PT145. It's a nice little .45 pistol, but a GUN SHOP should have a PT145 and a few other nice carry pistols for you to handle...along with some realistic advice.

This guy is a know-nothing blowhard.

Ed Ames
October 21, 2007, 09:54 PM
It was pretty classic... he went into how different the military Mossbergs are from civilian models. Usually when I hear this stuff I write it off as upselling but I was curious.

As for stocking or not... he said they stopped stocking Taurus Millenniums (in any caliber) "a long time ago" due to the failure rate. Does that mean that maybe he was right but they haven't kept up with the improvements?


On paper I think the PT145 is my best choice as a carry gun. I've yet to see one in person though.

shooter429
October 21, 2007, 10:15 PM
There are certainly better built guns. There are certainly guns of much poorer quality too, and both will cost more. I can think of the Sigma series as an example of the latter. I just looked at half a dozen or so Tauri, and I concluded that the QC seemed much better than it used to be. In fact, I would consider owning one myself. I mean seriously, for less than 300 bucks new, and lifetime service, even if it's not top notch, it is hard to go wrong.

Shooter429

Clipper
October 21, 2007, 10:28 PM
My PT 145 MilPro was a superior pistol, and incredibly accurate. It shot 6" groups on my buddie's 60-yard range, which is astounding for an unsupported DAO. However, I prefer pocket carry, and it was just a bit much for that, so I sold it and bought a KelTec PF-9, which I am eminently happy with, until they finally decide that we're not all girly-men, and make a 15oz. 5 or 6 +1 .45ACP that doesn't cost an arm & a leg.

sel366
October 22, 2007, 01:14 AM
Best bang for the buck in a .45acp CCW out there IMO. I have the stainless model myself and like it prettty well. It conceals very good IWB and is extremely light. I also bought a PT140 to go with it. It has the blue slide with an olive drab frame. Either one will serve you well for a CCW piece.

Ed Ames
October 22, 2007, 02:03 AM
Those comments are more what used to seeing. That's why I was so surprised by the guy in the shop.

It really does seem as though it's the perfect first CCW gun for me. Especially if it is accurate enough to have fun with. The whole CHL idea has been an interesting thought experiment if nothing else. When I went through the guns that I brought with me to Texas I realized that I really don't have anything would be a good concealed handgun in Dallas where the weather tends to be hot and the dress code tends towards shorts and knit shirts. I have a full size 9mm I would trust but (and this shows the oddity of most of my "collection") it is one of a consecutively numbered pair and I'd feel bad if it wound up rusting in an evidence locker somewhere. My other "Texas" guns are either plinkers or not appropriate for other reasons. Well, I did buy a CZ-82 with my C&R recently but it's bigger and heavier than the PT145 and lacks the power of even a standard 9x19.

Thanks everyone for the feedback! :) This'll give me an excuse to visit even more gun stores and that's always good (though often expensive).

tinygnat219
October 22, 2007, 12:24 PM
I had one of these, nice idea. Poor execution. I went through 2 guide rod mainspring housings and the pistol was unable to return to battery. Lost completel confidence in it as a CHP. Sold it. Much happier now.

VegasGuy
October 22, 2007, 02:34 PM
tinygnat219 wrote: "I had one of these, nice idea. Poor execution. I went through 2 guide rod mainspring housings and the pistol was unable to return to battery. Lost completel confidence in it as a CHP. Sold it. Much happier now."

I was looking at the PT145 this weekend which is why this thread caught my eye. I have read most of the reports about the PT145 and the above quote seems to be a very common thread in posts from about 5 years ago. However, the above quote would also seem to be the exception for any PT145 made within the past 2-3 years. Tinygnat, about when was your PT145 made and was it the Millenium Pro model?
-Ike

TexasRifleman
October 22, 2007, 02:38 PM
I went into a gun store....

Well that was your first mistake :)

county906
October 22, 2007, 02:46 PM
I own a pt145 millenium Pro. I purchased it in 2005. I also read many of the reviews on forums like this one of the older models having problems. After being told the problem was fixed, I decided to purchase one. It was recommended to me to buy the pro model over the regular millenium. Since the purchase I have ran approximately 2000 rounds of practice .45 with out ANY malfunctions, I have also run 300 rounds of my agencies duty round, Winchester Rangers HP without having any failures of any kind. :)

I now carry this pistol for cpl and also a back up when on duty. I would recommend it to anyone. I purchased mine in brushed nickel. Again I have had no problems. If you buy a newer one you should not have any either.

Hope this helps

mljdeckard
October 22, 2007, 02:53 PM
I wouldn't get one, but you can question my logic if you want to.

I have owned a couple of handguns that turned out to be truly terrible. One was a 1st Gen S&W Sigma, the other was a Taurus T-92. On the T-92, it was picky about ammo, had FTEs, light pin strikes, and the double action started to slip.

Different gun, made probably close to 20 years ago, but you know what? This business is too competitive, there are too many good pistols out there to give second chances. This is why Glock, XD, H&K, and even this new Ruger that was just announced are higher up on my list than a PT-145 or an M&P.

Jackal
October 22, 2007, 02:53 PM
Well, here's a pic of my PT111 alongside my Para P12 for size comparison. The P12 is only about 1/2" longer and a little thicker. The Taurus has been 100% reliable, over the course of 600rds of firing, with only 1 cleaning at the 400rd mark. The only downside for me is that, because the gun doesnt fit my hand all that well, (I prefer the fat P12 grip), I cannot shoot the fine little gun worth a darn. Heck, my ex-girlfriend shoots it better than I do. (Yes, I know, handing an ex a loaded handgun....scary...:eek:) . Bottom line, great little gun, but I am selling mine. It rode great in my Levi denim jacket pocket. I just cannot see the place for this though. Myself, I will carry my P12 when concealment is easy, with a jacket or coat and I will carry my S&W 36 flat latch in the pants pocket when the heat gets turned up.

VegasGuy
October 22, 2007, 03:40 PM
"Different gun, made probably close to 20 years ago, but you know what?"

I guess I am trying to keep my perspective on the quality Taurus produces today. I am looking to buy a new Taurus PT145, not a used one. I can remember a time when a product stamped with "Made in Japan" meant it was cheap junk.
-Ike

Whirlwind06
October 22, 2007, 04:30 PM
I have the 24/7 Pro .45 after getting some mag problems resolved it has ran great. I only have ~500 rounds through it so another 200 or so I'll have confidence in it. I think the biggest problem people are still having with the Mill Pros, are the recoils springs. Taurus has a new design for the springs that should fix it.
The new design has a washer on the front where the spring fits into the slide.

Old Dog
October 22, 2007, 04:34 PM
The OP asked if there is a "real story" with the PT-145. There was a real story on this pistol: the first generation PT-145 Milleniums were plagued with some common breakage problems, which Taurus attended to, and with the later releases of the Milleniums, and then the release of the Millenium Pro model, the problem had been cured. This has all been well-documented on THR and other gun forums (a search might have been fruitful, I don't know).

I do know that my wife has a pre-Pro PT-145 that has been spectacular as far as accuracy and reliability (though the trigger pull is so loooonnng). We liked this pistol so much we picked up a Mil Pro 145, which is 100% reliable as well. Our pre-Pro Millenium was my wife's chosen carry pistol until she discovered my SIG P-228.

BTW, I've had a Taurus PT-92 AF since 1991 that has never malfunctioned over the course of probably about 20K rounds, and outshoots a couple of my Beretta 92s.

You can pay heed to the legions of Taurus-bashers on the net (many or most of whom have never actually owned a Taurus product but are possessed of a degree of gun-snobbery quite common hereabouts) but I know one gunshop that can't keep Taurus PT-145s on the shelf and hasn't gotten a significant number of documented complaints on the pistols they've sold (as an aside, this shop also can't keep SA XDs in stock, either, they're selling like hotcakes).

For anyone on a budget, or someone who just likes a very lightweight, but high-capacity small .45, the PT-145 could be your answer. I know quite a few very gun-savvy folks who include a Millenium of some caliber in their inventories.

mpmarty
October 22, 2007, 04:45 PM
The new PT145 Mil Pro with the single action / double action trigger has a completely redesigned recoil spring assembly. Much larger and more secure and I believe it is all steel now not plastic inside the spring. My dao PT145 shed the front end of the recoil spring assembly years ago and kept on shooting just fine. Problem was with putting the darn thing back together after cleaning, the spring wanted to go everywhere but where it belonged.

Bottom line, the new PT145 is a great little pistol and AFIK all the prior problems have been fixed and no new ones seem to be appearing. I've got close to a thousand rounds of 200gr cast reloads and at least 200 rounds of factory hollow points through it so far. No problems of any kind. Put on some Williams Fire sights and I'm a happy camper.:)

sparkyguy
October 22, 2007, 05:13 PM
600+rnds and not a single FTF or FTE in my PT145 Pro. I would take the advice of those who actually own a newer PT145 Pro over those who "once owned a T-92(*** is that) 20yrs ago". And btw, I owned an XD-40 that the trigger spring broke after 1k rnds or so, so name recognition doesn't mean s*&^, all gun mfgr's have probs..EVEN GLOCK, I'm sure.

sparkyguy
October 22, 2007, 05:15 PM
dbl post. sorrz.

todd128
October 22, 2007, 05:50 PM
I own a 3rd gen PT145 & I carry it everyday have shot a couple thousand rounds though it with no problems I love it

03Shadowbob
October 22, 2007, 06:25 PM
I personally won't trust a MilPro ever again with my life and I do own one, though it is being sold. They are fixing the recoil spring assembly problem so it may work perfect after that however once a gun has failed me not once but twice, I will not trust it again. I bought a Glock 36 to take over the duties.

Papaster
October 22, 2007, 06:49 PM
I carry a PT145 pro daily. Quite satisfied with it. Love the trigger. It's light, small, and packs a whallup. Mine is now (after the ~200 rnd break in period) 100% reliable. Be sure to put 300 rounds down range before putting it on your side for the day. But it's an awesome pistol. And I never think twice when I pull the trigger whether it will work or not. The gun works. I've got a shop near me that always tries to sell people other stuff besides Taurus. They have a bottom line to look after...

Papaster
October 22, 2007, 06:56 PM
oh, and since the best advice I can give a new ccw permit holder is to get the best and the right holster, I'll let you in on the secret that though holster manufacturers are slow to release specific holsters for the PT145, there are many holsters (not all) for the Glock 23 will fit a PT145. My fav. holster is a pancake for the G23 which fits my PT145 beautifully, made by a fellow out of Azel, TX. Since you might not be far away, look for D.M. Bullard at the gun shows, or right there in Azel. He makes custom stuff too. And it's all reasonably priced.

VegasGuy
October 22, 2007, 06:58 PM
"I own a 3rd gen PT145 . . . "

Good or bad, I find posts like Todd's above that provide useful information about which generation PT145 to be most helpful in making my decision. Thanks.
-Ike

shooter429
October 22, 2007, 07:01 PM
I personally won't trust a MilPro ever again with my life and I do own one, though it is being sold. They are fixing the recoil spring assembly problem so it may work perfect after that however once a gun has failed me not once but twice, I will not trust it again. I bought a Glock 36 to take over the duties.

I was in the same boat many times, years ago. In fact, I had 0 trust in any of their guns and told everybody I knew about the problems. I also had a first gen Hyundai and was disappointed. Both product lines have been greatly improved over the years. I can no longer bash either one with confidence. They make great economical sense for those with small budgets. Like someone else said about "Jap Junks" My '05 Toyota is certainly not junk, but they used to be.

I think if you lack confidence in your gun though, the G36 is a great choice. I enjoyed mine quite a bit.

Still I think the new line is worth every penny.

I plan on doing a range review of the new guns in the near future, time permitting.

Hint: If you go into the store, pick one up and check it out, you might get the desire to feed it... Cor Bon, and it might just follow you home. :)

honkeoki
October 22, 2007, 10:13 PM
I only have this to add:

At a shop and range I frequent that rents a wide variety of handguns, I asked an employee if they would rent me a Millennium Pro. He shook his head and told me the Millennium Pros, "Don't hold up good to range use." (Let's overlook the grammar.)

The same range had Glocks, Sigs, S&Ws and Rugers for rent. They had a few Taurus revolvers but no semi-autos.

We can all talk about our experiences with a manufacturer, but it pretty much all comes down to your experience with your particular firearm. I hope that, whatever you choose, it works out for you -- and that you never need it.

innerpiece
October 23, 2007, 12:04 AM
I know iots not a pt145...
but I have a PT111SSP (milpro).. Im at about 5,000 rds, with 2 failures... both operator error/ignorance
failure#1: I tried to use CCI 9mm shotshells... not enuff to push the slide back..
Failure#2: 1st time I shot the gun, last half of the mag I rapid fired, after about the 3rd shot, my thumb slipped down and toutched the mag release, so befor the dlide returnd the mag popped out enuff that the next bullet diddnt load...
both malfunctions were due to me.... the gun has been 100% flawless,, way better than the Kahr I paid $200 more for (Kahr is great tho).

my milpro is accurate, reliable, and everything I could ever want out of a compact.
All things considerd, it dont get much better for this class of pistol imo/ime.

sparkyguy
October 23, 2007, 06:26 AM
honkeoki wrote: I only have this to add:

At a shop and range I frequent that rents a wide variety of handguns, I asked an employee if they would rent me a Millennium Pro. He shook his head and told me the Millennium Pros, "Don't hold up good to range use."

Well we all know if someone works at a range/shop he must know what he's talking about.:rolleyes:
I sometimes ask a question I already know the answer to one of these guys just to see what they do/do not know. Most, if not all the time, they don't know, but try to baffle with bs.

03Shadowbob
October 23, 2007, 07:33 AM
Mine is now (after the ~200 rnd break in period) 100% reliable. Be sure to put 300 rounds down range before putting it on your side for the day.
Mine had around 1k down the pipe before malfunctioning.

Also, my MilPro is the latest version. It's not the old one.
I try not to bash the brand as I have had 4 other Taurus pistols that were excellent but I do try and inform people of my problem before they buy one for CCW use.

tinygnat219
October 23, 2007, 08:23 AM
Vegasguy,
To answer your question:
Tinygnat, about when was your PT145 made and was it the Millenium Pro model?
Mine was the 3rd Generation SA/DA pistol with the 10 round magazine. Mine was the Millenium Pro and I purchased it in March of this year. I had purchased this as a Concealed Carry pistol because like you, I liked the size, the trigger, AND the manual safety. The price of 320.00 was also right. I thought it was a good deal and a smart buy.

I had it a month before I started having problems with the gun going into battery after a shot. 2 weeks later, I found the recoil spring coming out of the hole where the guide rod was. The recoil spring had somehow been compressed and was starting to come OVER the plug. I had to take it to a smith to get the gun to become "unstuck". This is partly my fault since I fired 2 magazines of +P ammo in this gun. I admitted this when I called Taurus to get the new part. After a 4.5 month wait for a $4.85 part that was constantly backordered (due to demand Taurus CS said, I think I am not the only one with these problems), the gun had been out of commission longer than "in commission". To their credit, they didn't charge me for the part since I had been waiting so long for it (also calling weekly and leaving voice mail messages might have had something to do with it). However,I put the new part in the gun and while the recoil spring wasn't coming out of the hole anymore, the gun still wouldn't return to battery about 10% of the time. An improvement, but not one that I felt was satisfactory. So, instead of waiting another 4 months for something, or sending it in (where it would be 6 months). I cut my losses and sold it. The guy I sold it to didn't care about the battery issue when I disclosed it (I will take a hit on a sale as I HATE buying a used gun with issues), he was happy to have found the PT 145 in Stainless. I was happy to have sold the gun, I even included the custom Kydex holster I had made for it. So we parted ways with smiles.

There are some things I have learned with this experience with Taurus:
Their parts department sucks. Their CS could use an overhaul, but it's better than others I have dealt with. I think they are just overwhelmed at the moment. Taurus makes cheap handguns, not just inexpensive, but cheap. I have had 5 Tauri apart and the parts look like garbage and I have had to clean metal shavings out of 4 of them. As a result, I am divesting myself of anything Taurus in my collection. That's 4 guns right now and all have "quirks". I used to own 6. I guess you can say that I am simply tired of dealing with a subpar company that produces a subpar product.:barf:

For those of you that like Taurus, great. I am GLAD that they work for you. However, for me, I can't seem to find one that I actually like.

Ghost Tracker
October 23, 2007, 11:21 AM
I've bought Taurus centerfire autoloaders TWICE. The first was a 1st Gen PT145, it broke 3 times (requiring lengthy Warranty returns) in the first 19 shots. Have NEVER been more disappointed in a gun purchase. Next I bought a Taurus 945. Great pistol! Never a single issue or hiccup. Would recommend without reservation.
You pays 'ya money...you takes ya' chances. Good Luck!

SouthpawShootr
October 23, 2007, 09:28 PM
I have a later model Millenium, made just as the Pros were coming out. I find it to be a completely satisfactory carry gun. 40% failure rate.........what a crock. I also find the comment about Mossberg shotguns to be demonstrative of the fact that this salesman didn't know what the heck he was talking about. My PT145 is the gun I carry most often. I thought about updating it with a newer model, but then thought that I'm getting good service out of this one, why bother.

Ed Ames
October 24, 2007, 12:37 AM
A lot of great info there. It sounds like the story, to the extent you can call it a story, is that there have been teething issues which is why Taurus is on its 3rd generation of these guns.

A question for those of you who have had good (and bad) luck with these guns: Do you consider yourself to be generally mechanically inclined? Do you think there is anything you did that contributed to how the gun worked for you?

I ask because I've often found that people who are habitual tinkerers or fiddlers often have different sorts of problems compared to the "they make it, I buy it" crowd. I don't mean either of those in a negative or positive way... it's just that some people instinctively baby (or push) things almost without realizing they are doing so. I've seen that in a few areas... one person looks at something and almost without realizing it says "that part looks weak I'll go easy on it" where another user says "that's the control you are supposed to push, I'm going to push it."

I'm trying to figure out if the reason for the seemingly very different experiences is bad quality control on Taurus's part or that the guns are great if used one way and break if used another.

To address a few things...

holsters.. that's the black magic of all of this for me. I've owned a few pistols but apart from a few military issue flap holsters I have never owned a holster. That's going to be a real learning curve for me.

Searches... I did search -- believe me I did search -- but so much of what I found was either old info or glowing reports from reviewers or new owners. My impression after reading everything I found through searching was "this could work", then I got to a shop (where people often have a chance to see a lot more than anyone else) and they were very negative. It raised some new questions for me.

Again, thanks to everyone for the feedback!

VegasGuy
October 24, 2007, 01:09 AM
then I got to a shop (where people often have a chance to see a lot more than anyone else) and they were very negative

I went to a gun store this last weekend which was very highly recommended by my gun nut neighbor who is a die hard H&K guy. The guy at the store gave me a totally different take on the PT145. The guy there really liked the PT145: "Fun to shoot, very accurate for such a short barrel and a great price." They sell it for $329. It still remains high on my list and will likely be my first purchase after I get my CCW. When it comes to subcompact 45 ACP's, everytime I read a post about someone saying how much they love their (fill in the blank), I usually find someone else who has had problems with it.

IMO, this has been the the most informative thread I have read about the PT145.

sparkyguy
October 24, 2007, 05:28 AM
Ed Ames wrote:

A question for those of you who have had good (and bad) luck with these guns: Do you consider yourself to be generally mechanically inclined? Do you think there is anything you did that contributed to how the gun worked for you?

To start off with, I am meticulous about keeping my guns cleaned/lightly oiled. As soon as I bought the PT145, I stripped it down and removed the tons, I mean TONS of grease that seemed to be packed in it. I used q-tips to get in all the hard to reach areas, making sure I don't snag and pull cotton off. When I reassemble, I also use the swabs to apply the oil to all parts that touch and at same time confirm all parts are lined up properly. After its' assembled, I rack the slide a half dozen times w/o mag installed to work any extra oil out and wipe clean. I also do an ancient indian chant and dance to ward off evil gun-failure spirits.:scrutiny:

tinygnat219
October 24, 2007, 10:17 AM
Ed Ames,

A question for those of you who have had good (and bad) luck with these guns: Do you consider yourself to be generally mechanically inclined? Do you think there is anything you did that contributed to how the gun worked for you?

You might say that. I shot 2 magazines of 185 Grain +P .45 ACP ammo out of my PT 145, that's what caused the recoil spring to start coming out of the front of the gun. However, it had the "not going into battery" issue before I used the +P ammo. Taurus Customer Service stated that their guns were not rated for +P Ammunition, which is fine. So, after the 4 month saga mentioned in my previous post in this thread, I got my new part. Put it in, and still had the same "not going into battery" issue I had when I had the gun originally. Since this was my main carry gun, I decided that I simply didn't want to futz with it anymore since I felt I could no longer count on gun as a primary SD weapon if it had issues. So, I sold it. Guy didn't even want to hear about my issues I had. He was glad to have found one.

stephpd
October 24, 2007, 02:18 PM
When I went to the gun shop to buy the Pt-145 they only had a Pt-111 and Pt-140 in stock. I knew I wanted two guns of similar build since I would Be using the 9mm more at the range, cheaper ammo, and carrying a 45 most of the time. Hard to find many companies that make both a 9 and 45 in a compact frame.
I had to order the Pt-145 and two weeks later it came in . Thats when I noticed that this gun shop was ordering twice as many Taurus guns as all other guns combined. I mean there were over 50 taurus guns in cases that he had to look through to find MY PT-145. Maybe 3 or 4 glocks and a few other company logos.
My guess is that the store you went to had some bad expierences a few years ago and stopped carrying them. That and they probably make more money off the glocks.
Haven't had a problem with either the Pt-111 or the Pt-145. Recoil on the Pt-145 is minimal. Takes some time to get use to the trigger and heinie sights but I've been able to put all shots on the target. Getting better each time I go to the range.
For the price it's hard to beat. More rounds than a 1911, compact frame, lighter then every other gun in it's class. The ability to carry in condition one and every pull of the trigger being single action seems to me that I stand a better chance of a hit with the first shot. Carrying a DOA or DA/SA loaded with one in the chamber and no safety seem a little more scary. I've seen a few ND's reholstering the glock clones to make me go for the 1911 type safety that comes with the Taurus guns.
I also liked the look of the MilPro. No weird safety on the trigger, feels weird to me. And a grip safety seems redundent, how can you get a gun in or out of a holster without putting your hand on the grip. No exposed hammer or striker pin to snag on clothing either.
Now if I could find all those features on a glock, xd or M&P I might have bought one of those. Oh! the price would have to be as low as the Taurus too.

VegasGuy
October 24, 2007, 02:43 PM
I read this from Tinygnat:
I shot 2 magazines of 185 Grain +P .45 ACP ammo out of my PT 145, that's what caused the recoil spring to start coming out of the front of the gun. However, it had the "not going into battery" issue before I used the +P ammo. Taurus Customer Service stated that their guns were not rated for +P Ammunition, which is fine.

And then I read this in the Taurus Tactical Catalog, page 3:
"+P RATED FOR DUTY USE(R). All Taurus handguns are engineered to accept a steady diet of factory new PlusP (+P) ammunition built to SAAMI specifications. This includes the UltraLite hammer forged aluminum alloys, Titanium, blue steel and stainless steel models. Rest assured, your Taurus will be ready, especially when you're counting on it."

Maybe the CSR gave you the wrong information, or told you what you wanted to hear. But, the above statements contradict each other. I would say the later statement from the Taurus Tactical Catalog is the accurate one.

IMO, I would be very surprised if all new Taurus pistols were NOT rated for +P ammo. If they were not rated for +P, it would be too easy for some idiot to buy some +P ammo, assume that since his gun is new he can use +P ammo, injure himself and then want to sue Taurus. It would make for bad press, bad business, and a huge potential liability claim. It's less costly to make a pistol handle +P loads to start with than go the cheap route.


I say this because years ago when i bought my first shotgun at 16 years old, a person could buy the 2-3/4" chambered model, or pay about $10 more for the new 3" chamber. I bought the 2-3/4". A few years later I had a gun smith put a shoulder pad on it and he volunteered to check what chamber I really had. Though the barrel was clearly stamped 2-3/4", Stevens had chambered it for 3" shells. The gun smith said most of the manufacturers did that so someone would not accidentally put a 3" shell in their new shotgun and have it split open on them.

DawgFvr
October 24, 2007, 05:00 PM
I have a second generation DAO PT145 Millennium Pro that I simply love. This is one quality auto...and I've had a few. First and foremost, find the ammo that your pistol likes. What we have here is a very short barreled 10 + 1 pocket cannon...so I go with the 160 grain Corbon DPX.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Corbon%20160%20gr%20DPX.htm

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DawgFvr/PT145/P1010434.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DawgFvr/PT145/45Target.jpg

I carry it in a High Noon Holster:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DawgFvr/PT145/HighNoon2.jpg

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