Shredder Ammunition


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ryans63
October 22, 2007, 05:34 AM
When I was younger I remember some type of ammunition that I believe was called a “Shredder round”. Don’t know why all of a sudden I remembered/thought about this, possibly because I never researched this back in the day and am curious about it. I remember that this type of bullet was outlawed or taxed so insanely high no one would buy it. They did this because of the what the bullet did which was when it entered your body it flattened out in a certain way that it wouldn’t shoot straight thru you but “bounce” around inside of you “shredding “ your guts so much it basically liquefied you and when the doctors opened you up there was no chance they could ever save you because of the beyond excessive damage too you so they were outlawed or taxed, I can’t remember which I heard or it might have been they were trying to get it outlawed/taxed at the time and that is what I heard about it. Anyway if anyone knows about it, are they called “shredder rounds”? How do they work? How is it designed so it does this and not just flatten out and go right thru? Or did this round even exist, I mean kind of like the myth about Kevlar tipped bullets “slip” right thru any body armor. Is the “shredder round” a myth like that?

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res45
October 22, 2007, 08:18 AM
My first thought are that if a round had enough energy to bounce around inside the body enough times to shred everything it would exit the body at the first opportunity,I don't see how skin would alter it path and the round still have enough energy to continue going back and forth. Now there are what they call frangible bullets the break apart.
http://accutecusa.com/rrlp.htm.
http://www.frangiblebullets.com/links/index.html

Fatelvis
October 22, 2007, 08:34 AM
I know shotgunners sometime use a "square" shaped shot, called "spreader shot", that quickens the shot pattern opening, but I've never heard of "shreader".

griz
October 22, 2007, 08:41 AM
I think any ammo that breaks the laws of physics should be illegal.;)

strat81
October 22, 2007, 10:21 AM
Maybe this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette

possom813
October 22, 2007, 10:28 AM
The "Shredder" was a bullet used in the movie "The Last Boy Scout". The only reason I remember this is because I just watched the movie the other day. I don't know if it was ever a manufactured round, or just Hollyweird imagination.

-John

snuffy
October 22, 2007, 11:24 AM
About the closest I can come to that description is the Glaser safety slug. It is simply a copper cup or, empty bullet jacket, filled with shot and oil, then capped with a plastic cap in the shape of a hollow point. It works by entering the body, then breaking completely apart spreading the shot in a cone shaped pattern inside the body. Doctors would have multiple wound paths to repair, most of the time that wasn't possible.

It's called the safety slug because it won't ricochet, it breaks apart after hitting anything, the ground or buildings. It's so lethal, most PD's won't allow it's use.

rcmodel
October 22, 2007, 01:51 PM
Sounds like some of the media hysteria over the Winchester Black Talon round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon,_ammunition

Of course, none of it was true, and the round was never outlawed, or taxed out of existence.

Winchester just stopped coating it with black stuff and changed the name.
The media thought they had won, and went away on another anti-gun crusade.

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trickyasafox
October 22, 2007, 03:18 PM
yea its one of those new plastic keys. . . called a SHREDDER!

BOOOOOM

bruce willis: one of them new plastic keys eh?

Dravur
October 22, 2007, 05:35 PM
Whatever you do... don't use these on Turtles!

Especially young, Martial Arts trained ones.......

and definitely not if they are mutated in some way...

fireflyfather
October 22, 2007, 06:06 PM
It's called the safety slug because it won't ricochet, it breaks apart after hitting anything, the ground or buildings. It's so lethal, most PD's won't allow it's use.

While the first part of that statement is pretty true, there is a LOT of debate over the effectiveness of glaser ammunition. A LOT of knowledgeable folks are pretty fairly convinced that it lacks the penetrating capability to STOP attackers. Sure, it may kill them, but will it stop them immediately, or will they bleed out hours later?

.45Guy
October 22, 2007, 06:20 PM
IIRC, "Shredder" shotgun shells were loaded by the same folks that made "dragon's breath." Again IIRC they were loaded with short pieces of chain or some such.

Heavy Metal Hero
October 22, 2007, 06:23 PM
Dum-dums?

RyanM
October 22, 2007, 08:47 PM
Sounds like something just made up. Though .38 SPL standard pressure 158 gr LRN have a reputation for bouncing around inside the ribcage, sometimes, since they just don't have enough power to punch through them. .22 LR, as well.

scout26
October 22, 2007, 09:07 PM
I think the marketing boys over at www.extremeshockusa.com want to hear from you......

(Just don't try on their pants.......) :rolleyes:

Other "Mall Ninja" ammo is available at http://www.firequest.com/catalog/showcase_item_4.html

Bezoar
October 22, 2007, 11:24 PM
Actually my grampa investigated a bar shooting back in the day involving this type of ammunition. What the shooter did was handload his own 357 ammo. If i can remember right it was either a low velocity type jhp being pushed to fast, or high velocity pushed just fast enough to
open up, and PINWHEEL around the abdominal cavity.

It worked in that shooting. Bystanders reported that the victim was literally upwards on his feet and just dropped right to the ground. Everyone was surprised as very little blood left the body at the scene. Turns out that the victims insides were just about liquified.

ryans63
October 23, 2007, 08:36 AM
I when i say liquify your insides didn't mean completely or shreds everything, just a small amount so you have internal bleeding or it does bad damage by doing it a little, which is more then enough. The skin wouldn't stop the bullet from going thru but since it "bounces" around it doesn't exit because it is not traveling a straight path and keeps bouncing around adn stays it because it never goes in one direction for very long. I don't believe its flechette's but a actual bullet.

wolfe28
October 23, 2007, 12:59 PM
If I remember correctly, that is the company that made the dragon's breath and other such foolishness.
D

rcmodel
October 23, 2007, 01:05 PM
No pistol bullet has enough velocity to do what you suggest. That is, liquefy the contents of the body cavity.

A .220 Swift rifle sort of does it to a coyote though.
But that is caused by massive hydrostatic shock & fragments from a 4,000 fps bullet blowing up and dumping all it's energy instantaneously just inside the rib cage.

No pistol bullet behaves that way due to the relatively low velocity of even the fastest loads.

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