(AR) Resolution would ban concealed handguns in NLR parks


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July 14, 2003, 10:09 AM
http://epaper.ardemgaz.com/Daily/Skins/Arkansas/

Resolution would ban concealed handguns in NLR parks

BY JAKE SANDLIN
ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE
Even a concealed weapons permit won’t let picnickers pack a handgun in any North Little Rock park under a proposed city ordinance.
Jumping ahead of a state law that takes effect Wednesday, the North Little Rock City Council will consider a resolution today requesting that signs be posted prohibiting concealed handguns in all city parks. The council meets at 7 p.m. at City Hall.
The city law would go against state Act 1110 of 2003 that specifically removed parks and restaurants from a list of specific places where the carrying of a permitted concealed handgun is forbidden. The state law is one of 657 that take effect Wednesday.
That same act also says the carrying of concealed handguns may be banned to everyone except law enforcement officers, including off-duty officers, at other locations, "at the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over" the location. All that is required is a posted notice of the ban.
"Clearly it allows the entity that controls the location to prohibit it," North Little Rock City Attorney Paul Suskie said. "We’re going to exercise our rights under that same statute to say you can’t have [a concealed handgun ] in our parks."
North Little Rock’s action, if approved, could start a ripple effect through other city parks systems to ensure the safety of park patrons, one parks director said.
"If North Little Rock can pull it off, you can bet I’ll be getting a copy and asking our city board to do the same," said Bryan Day, director of Little Rock’s Parks and Recreation Department. "Guns and parks don’t mix."
While the state parks system isn’t considering a similar ban, the state law needs clarification, said Richard Davies, director of the state Department of Parks and Tourism.
While the law specifically excludes parks from the concealed handgun prohibition, another section forbids weapons in any building that houses a state government office.
"There goes all the visitors centers, the lodges, the interpretative centers," said Davies, a North Little Rock resident. "That basically cuts out most of the major buildings in our parks system."
Davies said his department may ask the state parks commission next month to amend regulations to allow people with a valid concealed handgun permits to have their handguns in areas such as individual rental cabins and free-standing restrooms.
No problems in the parks prompted the proposed gun ban, sponsored by city Alderman Murry Witcher, Suskie and parks officials said.
Parks commissioners didn’t initiate the action, North Little Rock Parks Commission Chairman Vicki Stephens said, though she would support the ban in parks, she added.
"It’s caught me off guard," she said.
"There’s not an incident I’m aware of that has happened that’s caused some concern."
For Little Rock’s Day the reasoning is simple.
"Parks are about family values and safe places," Day said. "To allow a concealed weapon in a park just doesn’t follow that thought."
Two other issues involving city parks or public safety are also on the Council’s agenda.
Six of the city’s eight aldermen are sponsoring an ordinance to clarify that alcohol is forbidden in city parks "unless authorized by the parks and recreation commission."
The ordinance also clarifies to whom the commission may grant a temporary beer permit. That question was the basis of a recent lawsuit by two residents who tried to prevent beer sales at the July 4-5 Busch/Pepsi Men’s Softball Classic at Burns Park and Vestal Park.
Pulaski County Circuit Court dismissed the lawsuit.
The Council expects to also vote on banning wolves, wolf hybrids and other innately wild animals from being kept inside the city, a response to a lawsuit by a North Little Rock couple accused by animal control officers of owning two wolf hybrids.
This story was published Monday, July 14, 2003

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Preacherman
July 14, 2003, 10:15 AM
"Parks are about family values and safe places," Day said. "To allow a concealed weapon in a park just doesn’t follow that thought."
Uh-huh... and the lessons learned by unarmed victims in New York's Central Park (the "wilding" victim, the Puerto Rico parade a couple of years back, and who knows how many dead bodies found there over the years) don't count for much, obviously... :fire:

Makes a shabby contrast to our local park. A few months ago, early one spring evening, a group of gangbangers decided to go "wilding" themselves (obviously inspired by the New York experience). They started... and thirty seconds later stopped, having had three armed members of the public draw down on them and hold them for police, who arrived speedily! No-one hurt (except the gangbangers' pride), no-one victimized, and everyone was safe. Maybe NLR should think about that?

sm
July 14, 2003, 10:39 AM
I'd would appreciate a little help. I just heard this on the morning news (KARN) with host Sharon Lee. Bryan Day with NLR Parks was her guest via telephone. Sharon Lee expressed concern with CCW in Parks. Mr. Day confirmed this position. The both of them though it irresponsible that an licensed Concealed Weapon carrier should want to even carry a gun in a public park. "The parks are closed at night".

Across the river is Little Rock, whom is said to be considering the same resolutions-depending upon the actions of North Little Rock.

The two of them spoke negative of concealed handguns, "why would you need one in a park?

Because the criminals don't pay attention to laws in thefirst place, and second in knowing one cannot carry concealed, the criminal has an easy victim. This goes for the resturant clause where alcohol is served



Years ago we had a little girl abducted from a baseball park in Alma, AR. She has never been found. Her name, Morgan Nick, is where our Morgan Nick Alert sprung from. Mush like many of you have Amber Alert.
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Right now Dave Elswick in on air. He HAS pro 2nd Amendment attitudes. This is CST time and his show runs till 11:00 am. Many listeners are Pro 2A .

To reach Dave Elswick, write to him at dave@karnnewsradio.com
During the show, you can use ICQ online chat to get a comment or question to him with ICQ# 287708445!
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I'm posting the following:
KARN radio: http://www.920karn.com/

Sharon Lee:
Sharon@karnnewsradio.com
(I'm sending the article Suzanna Hupp to her --lets send a bunch more of this and similar to her and station)

KARN
Address:
700 Wellington Hills Rd.
Little Rock,AR
72211

Phone:
501-401-0200

Fax:
501-401-0387

URL:
http://www.karnnewsradio.com

Simulcast:
KARN - FM 102.5


I appreciate the help. I have exams in my On-line classes, here in a minute.
So forgive any typos...just in a hurry...'73

TheEgg
July 14, 2003, 10:42 AM
They have no facts to support their proposed rule, so they are just going to rely on their prejudices. Makes me proud not to live in North Little Rock!

sm
July 14, 2003, 11:03 AM
This

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A59368-2000May12&notFound=true

A Daughter's Regret
After Massacre, A Vow to Shoot Back

to:dave@karnnewsradio.com

and anyone else that has similar articles, I'm in the midst of an on-line exam (shush don't tell) :D

Send one to sharon lee above

oh btw haven't missed an question yet, wish me luck...:p

gee last 3 ? the answer was "a"

Preacherman
July 14, 2003, 11:09 AM
Done, to both.

sm
July 14, 2003, 12:24 PM
Ok, my exam is over, I passed (110/100) nailed the bonus question. :D

The radio show is still on. Asking for out of town calls

1-800-264-0092

These people opposed are sheeple, they do not understand (what's new).

The Host , Dave Eslick, is supporting the right to carry concealed in parks and resturants. I've invited him to join us here at THR.:D

so anybody want to call and support why we do what we do?
I have called. The sheeple do not understand BG's do not obey laws anyway. We that can CCWand not allowed to CCW are easy prey--just like sheeple.

:( I did receive some e-mail and phone calls from those that recognized my voice and stance--they opposed the CCW in parks and resturants. One person was a 'family' member.

Oh well-I've made my choice and stance, I've lost out on friends and family before-so be it.

Don't call me when you're dead, assaulted, raped and dying is all I ask.

BowStreetRunner
July 14, 2003, 10:21 PM
great plan N Little Rock, lets creat more victim disarmament zones!
wohoo!
come on in bad guys because no one else has a gun!
BSR

critter
July 14, 2003, 10:30 PM
I weighed in. We'll see how much good it does. Sounds like their mind is made up and facts matter little. Logic sure doesn't!

sm
July 14, 2003, 11:08 PM
News Just Reported North Little Rock , AR

Concealed Carry will NOT BE ALLOWED in Parks. Signage will be put up shortly. Little Rock has stated that will do the same in Their parks.


Earlier State Legislature passed and This Wed we were to be allowed to carry in Parks.

:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

0007
July 15, 2003, 01:59 AM
1973 - You and your friends should get a bunch of signs printed up that say "GUN FREE ZONE / GOBLINS WELCOME" and post them around these parks. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Hang out and wait for some sheeple to ask "What's a goblin??"

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