Owners' Poll - 3G Millennium Pro


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brashboy
October 23, 2007, 11:36 PM
Really, THR members should be able to report a problem with their Millennium Pros without being labeled as bashers. Folks, too many buyers of these guns are having problems. Yes, they are marvelous when they work. When they work.

So let's cut through the smoke, shall we? Let's see how many MillPro owners have had problems, which ones, and whether they have been satisfactorily resolved.

This poll ONLY relates to the new 3rd Generation MillPros, please. The earlier guns are not indicative of the 3G guns.

I forgot to add that the Poll is is multiple choice.

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Dallas Jack
October 24, 2007, 02:41 AM
I have two 3rd gen Mil-Pros. A PT-140 and a PT-145. No issues with either.
Dallas Jack

tinygnat219
October 24, 2007, 10:25 AM
Yup,

Had problems going into battery. Customer Service issues too. I had the PT 145, 3rd Gen pistol in Stainless Steel.

sel366
October 24, 2007, 12:22 PM
I have the PT145 and the PT140. I have had no issues with either one. I routinely carry these as my primary ccw. I have to have full confidence with my carry weapon before I would trust my loved ones or my life with it, these fit the bill perfectly. They are perfect for ccw with their lightweight and size and caliber options. They get my vote for reliable and trustworthy.

stephpd
October 24, 2007, 01:28 PM
I've got a Pt-111 and a Pt-145. Over 1000 rounds through each. Never a problem with either one. Carry the Pt-145 everyday as ccw.:)

gbelleh
October 24, 2007, 01:35 PM
I just recently got a new PT140 and it has been 100% with any ammo fired. About 400 rounds through it so far.

Taurus92 in KyleTX
October 24, 2007, 02:23 PM
I've owned my 3G PT-111 for almost a year, and haven't gotten to the range with it nearly enough. (I wouldn't even consider it truly "broken in".)

I voted on battery and FTF - fixed.

The FTFs, I could almost credit to the ammo, as I typically use WWB or Monarch brass (from Academy). But, again, I don't think I have sufficient count for true statistical data.

The [unloaded] battery issue I had wasn't had during firing, but after reassembly, following a cleaning session. To this day, I'm not entirely sure what the root cause was, but it locked up on me pretty good about .25-.5in out of battery. With a little tough love, I finally got it unstuck, and disassembled it, and reassembled it, taking care when inserting the takedown pin (my suspect for the issue). Seems to work okay now.

I just need to get it out to the range more, but since purchasing a new Sig 229, that's diverted my focus. :D

03Shadowbob
October 24, 2007, 06:33 PM
recoil spring problem
Customer Service problem
Sold off gun.
No more problem.

sparkyguy
October 24, 2007, 06:50 PM
PT145 SS..zero problems of any kind after 600+ rnds fired in 2 months time.

Smokewagon45
October 25, 2007, 11:01 AM
Zero problems with stainless PT145, 1200 rounds plus.

Adam5
October 25, 2007, 02:28 PM
My Stainless slide PT111 is only a few months old and only sits at about 500 rounds, but has been 100% flawless.

rcellis
October 25, 2007, 02:56 PM
No problems with any of them.

VegasGuy
October 25, 2007, 04:49 PM
brashboy said about this poll:
I forgot to add that the Poll is is multiple choice.

My question is this: How should owners of multiple Mil Pros report their experiences? As an individual with one vote, or on a per pistol basis?

XDKingslayer
October 25, 2007, 04:54 PM
I've voted for "Sold in Frustration". I haven't sold it yet, but that is the plan.

I haven't had any of the problems listed except for FTF on the last range outing but that is due to a bad magazine.

My issues with extreme inaccuracy (can't get minute of pie plate at 15 yards) with my PT-138 is well documented here and it is a problem with this particular pistol not the entire MillPro family. I wouldn't even say it's a problem with the PT-138 family. Again it's just this particular gun.

The only other problems I've had with it is the front site coming loose on the first outing. That was fixed with some LocTite. And the rear site was installed backwards from the factory. How you do that with the two dots on the site I don't know...but it shows Taurus lack of attention to detail.

My inaccuracy problems have not been resolved because I haven't sent it in to Taurus. I also have no plans on doing so. I'll sell it with full disclosure of how inaccurate it is (like they'll believe me anyways because everyone is a great shot so it must just be me right?), and buy something else like a nice Bersa .380. It will take a fraction of the time and less of the headache than most people have documented having with Taurus' support.

Would I buy another Taurus?

Sure I plan on a PT-1911 once the rail models are in stock locally.

Would I buy another MillPro?

I might buy a 9mm for plinking, but it would never be something I'd rely on or put my life on.

XDKingslayer
October 25, 2007, 04:58 PM
To this day, I'm not entirely sure what the root cause was

There is a groove under the barrel that the takedown pin goes through. You had it on the other side of the groove towards the breechface.

Papaster
October 25, 2007, 10:17 PM
I voted FTF/FTE/Battery. I believe some of the problems were from limp-wristing, as I clearly saw in the hands of my brother-in-law. All FTE/FTF's were in the first 200 rounds (the pistol's listed break-in period as stated in the owner's manual), and the pistol functions flawlessly now, without any service, and only routine cleanings. Mine's the 3G PT145SS.

ecureed
October 25, 2007, 10:26 PM
Although I did sell mine to my Dad, I never had one issue with my PT111 Pro. No malf's in 800 rounds that I personally put through it. My dad has put another 200 through it and no issues yet.

The only reason I sold it was that I did not shoot accurately with it and I had to have a CZ P-01. Had been lusting for a P-01 for quite some time.

FWIW, my Dad is very accurate with the gun so obviously that was my problem not the Taurus.

varoadking
October 26, 2007, 07:14 AM
I forgot to add that the Poll is is multiple choice.

Good thing...might have been pretty boring otherwise... :D

Storm
October 26, 2007, 10:43 AM
Quote:
To this day, I'm not entirely sure what the root cause was

There is a groove under the barrel that the takedown pin goes through. You had it on the other side of the groove towards the breechface.

Exactly. The barrel must be pulled all the way to the front for the pin to be inserted properly. For the longest time I had a terrible time with my PT111 getting that pin back in. Then one day I got really desparate and actually looked in the owners manual, and my problem was solved.

My PT111 has never missed a beat and is very accurate for that type of gun.

I'm not quite sure why you lumped second generation guns in with first generation guns limiting the poll to third generation guns. Once the second generation Pro guns came out the problems of the first generation guns were solved. Other than the trigger I see little difference between second and third generation.

mpmarty
October 26, 2007, 03:48 PM
Between 2nd and 3rd gen MilPros, at least in the PT145 there is. The entire recoil spring assembly and the barrel lug system it impinges on are redesigned and much better. The trigger system is totally different and better, the sights are no longer three dot but are Heini figure eights, much worse and a definite step backwards in evolution. Replaced the stupid Heini sights with some Fire Sights and now all is great.

Storm
October 26, 2007, 06:10 PM
That's good news as I have a 3rd Gen PT145. My 111 is 2nd generation. Was that changed between 2nd and 3rd? Was the 2nd gen 145 DAO or the current SA/DA?

I agree about the Heinie's. I have HiViz on my 111 and prefer those.

ElPasoWrangler
April 20, 2008, 11:16 PM
I own two Pros a PT111 and a PT140. I just replaced the sights on my PT111 Pro with Fire Sights. I wanted 3dot tritium but not at $150. I was unhappy to see that the Fire Sights came with no instructions or tools to install them. You need a .5 mm and a 1.5mm. All that a side, I got them instslled the other day and this morning I went to the desert to beat the dust storm predicted for later in the day. WOW!! They are right on and as long as I did my part the trash I used as targets kept skipping over the sand. I still wish they glowed in the dark like the sights I put on my XD45. I will be replacing my other straight 8 sights soon. I just can't get the hang of them.

pbhome71
April 20, 2008, 11:34 PM
Thanks for the poll. I am actually looking into getting the Mill-pro 145. :)

AndrewGWU
April 20, 2008, 11:53 PM
I have had mine for about 2 months now and have put a few hundred rounds through it with not a problem at all. I hear people talking bad about these guns on here all the time and wonder why.

ARTiger
April 21, 2008, 12:39 AM
First I'll say I had two 1st generation and 3 second generation MilPro's and only one had problems. My experience with Gen 3 MilPro's wasn't so good. (Although I like the look and feel of the gun and how it shoots - when it shoots).

First I bought a 140 that had the mag catch break right off the bat. They don't work well that way :-( Taurus would not send me just the part - had to send the whole gun back which took 4 months to come back to me. Promptly sold it then and immediately bought a 111 hoping I just got a rare lemon beforehand.

Less than 300 rounds through and the 111 starts having the recoil spring come through the slide front. Fixed and sold.

No more polymer Tauri for me.

The frustrating thing is Taurus designs some really innovative guns and a has lot many models and caliber choices. You want them to work and are a bit let down when they don't.

I'd love to have their new slim 9, 1911 and maybe a longslide 24/7. Just torn by my experience with the quality of the last MilPro's I had and determined not to let "gun lust" overrule sense about how guns - especially those with self-defense applications should be nearly 100% dependable.

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