Size Comparison, Bersa T380CC vs Kel-Tec P-3AT (warning pic heavy)


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ZeSpectre
October 24, 2007, 12:35 AM
Bought myself a brand new Bersa Thunder 380 "Concealed Carry" model.

Thought I'd post a few pics to show you the size in relation to the Kel-Tec P-3AT (with the +1 round mag extension).

"Slide by Slide"
Ruler used to make sure the longest part of each firearm lined up.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0858.jpg


"Does my butt look fat?"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0857.jpg

Grip length comparison
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0860.jpg

Kel-Tec on it's rug (note it just fits with the +1 Mag extension)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0863.jpg

Bersa on the Kel-Tec Rug
I think this gives the most accurate impression of the true size difference, about 1/2 inch in either direction.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0866.jpg

Kel-Tec sitting on the Bersa
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0854.jpg

And just for kicks, the Bersa sitting on a CZ-82
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0870.jpg


What I've noticed is that these photos make the Bersa look positively HUGE (especially in comparison to the Kel-Tec). Seriously it's not THAT much bigger though it is about twice as heavy.

Initial impression of the Bersa is that it feels extremely solid and well manufactured. With the fixed barrel I expect accuracy to be good.

PRO-
It also fits my hand very well.
Disassembly is extremely simple (parallel to the CZ-82)

CON-
The safety lever just about requires a pair of pliers to move, it is STIFF! Hopefully that will break in with time/use.
(EDIT: I really only expect to use the "safety" as a decocker, I'm a lefty)
It has a Magazine disconnect (I hate those things)

I'm looking forward to the first range session with this pistol and then I'll post back with more info on trigger, accuracy, reliability and so forth.

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Hoffy
October 24, 2007, 08:23 AM
Bravo!

Great comparison.

DAdams
October 24, 2007, 08:46 AM
Nice choice and hope you like it. I sat around with my BERSA for a couple of days working the safety/decocker. Between it loosening up and my thumb toughening up, the twains met. I seldom to never use it as a safety and use the decock when loading up.

Nice pics and thanks for sharing.

Dallas Jack
October 24, 2007, 12:45 PM
The decocker should loosen up with use, mine did.
Dallas Jack

rantingredneck
October 24, 2007, 12:54 PM
Nice comparison photos :).

Bobo
October 24, 2007, 03:04 PM
Very nice comparison - thanks!

Jackal
October 24, 2007, 09:30 PM
Pop that flimsy +1 off the Keltec and it becomes much more pocketable.

NewShooter
October 26, 2007, 08:40 AM
Nice comparison. Looking forward to your review. I really like the Bersa.

BridgeWalker
October 26, 2007, 08:57 AM
Nice comparison, I really like the kel-tec :D

Almost got the Bersa last week. Glad I didn't.

ZeSpectre
October 26, 2007, 09:56 AM
Delta9,
Hope you get lots of reliable use out of your Kel-Tec. Unfortunately mine has been an absolute nightmare but I don't want this to become a "praise or bash" thread, I'm trying to stick to just reviewing new equipment.

ZeSpectre
October 26, 2007, 09:59 AM
Took the Bersa to the range last night and ran 150 rounds of Winchester White box and 20 rounds of Cor-Bon 90gr JHP.

(whoops, have to run to a meeting, I'll finish this post later) :banghead:
I'm back, sorry about that.

So I fired 170 rounds of .380 both FMJ and JHP and the gun performed with zero issues. Groups at 20 feet were acceptable and about what I expected from a gun with, essentially, no sights. Ergonomics were good for me and although a fatter grip would provide a better hold I like the thiner grips for the concealability.

One side note, if you lock the safety on and then rack the slide you can hook the webbing on your hand and it HURTS!

NewShooter
October 26, 2007, 10:32 AM
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tinygnat219
October 26, 2007, 01:32 PM
Bersa Bite?

ZeSpectre
November 3, 2007, 05:35 PM
A question keeps coming up about the weight of the Bersa T380CC. The web page lists it as 23oz (unloaded). This is incorrect. The regular Thunder 380 is that heavy but the Concealed Carry model is actually quite a bit lighter.

On my "precision" scale the weights are...
(part in red is the corrected numbers see post # 16)

Kel-Tec P-3AT
Magazine w/+1 extension
7 rds ammo in mag, 1 round in chamber (8rds total) = 12oz even
(Unloaded w/out mag the P-3AT weighs in at 7 & 3/4 oz)

Bersa T380CC
Magazine
8 rds ammo in mag, 1 round in chamber (9rds total) = 21oz (corrected number)
(Unloaded w/out mag the T380CC weighs in at 16 & 1/4oz)

Wilson 17&26
November 3, 2007, 06:45 PM
Kel-Tec P-3AT
Magazine w/+1 extension
7 rds ammo in mag, 1 round in chamber (8rds total) = 12oz even
(Unloaded w/out mag the P-3AT weighs in at 7 & 3/4 oz)

Bersa T380CC
Magazine
8 rds ammo in mag, 1 round in chamber (9rds total) = 18.5oz
(Unloaded w/out mag the T380CC weighs in at 16 & 1/4oz)

Are you sure those scales are precision? Unless I misread your posting, 9 rounds of .380 ammo in your Bersa weighs 2.25oz but one less round in your P-3AT weighs 4.25oz. Either your scales are off or that plus one extension is made of lead and should be tossed in the trash :)

ZeSpectre
November 3, 2007, 07:18 PM
Hrmmm, precision should have been in quotes (I was being sarcastic, sorry)...have edited it now.
Also, you made me wonder so I went back and looked and DUH, One example had heavier FMJ and the other had lighter JHP in the mag. Also I'm not entirely sure I had a 9'th "chamber" round for the T380CC sitting on the scale.

I'm apparently having a sloppy day.

I went back and re-measured twice more and the results tally up both times so I have revised above post with correct info (both guns holding the same "heavier" FMJ rounds) and my thanks for pointing that out. So in the end the loaded T380CC is almost two loaded P-3ATs

Josh Aston
November 4, 2007, 12:17 AM
The magazine safety is ridiculously easy to remove on the Bersa. Take off the right grip panel and remove the bar that runs from the bottom of the grip up.

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