AR pistol or Kel-Tec .223


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Blarelli
October 24, 2007, 02:11 AM
Don't ask me why, but I'm interested in a .223 pistol, and am wondering what is the pros and cons of the AR type pistols and the Kel-Tec .223 pistol.

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polik6887
October 24, 2007, 02:57 AM
I would go AR no question.

with an AR pistol , you can easily convert calibers (.22/9mm for cheap ammo, or 7.62x39/.50 beowulf for some extra punch)

with an AR pistol, you can easily convert it into a rifle, simply by swaping out upper receivers, and the buffer tube. If you go to ar15.com then click ar15 then click pistol, you can read a letter from the ATF saying that you can even use a collapsible stock buffer tube on a AR pistol (just make sure you dont have the actual stock nearby, without a rifle upper)

the kel tec is cool. I guess. but it isnt nearly as modular as the AR, parts are harder to find, and theoretically it wont be as accurate (kel tec uses a piston, while the AR is direct gas impingement).

M2 Carbine
October 24, 2007, 07:12 PM
I've got both. Two PLR's and a Bushmaster Carbon 15.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/3223pistols.jpg

Between an off the shelf AR pistol like the Bushmaster and the PLR, no contest, the PLR.

The PLR costs half what the AR pistol costs.
My PLR's are more accurate than most of my .223 rifles.
The action using a AK type piston and AR type bolt, IMO, is far better than the AR gas impingement system.
The PLR nine inch barrel gives 2,550+fps, the seven inch Bushmaster muzzle velocity is 2,300 fps.
The Bushmaster is not as accurate and hasn't been as reliable as the PLR's.
If the PLR breaks or wears out it will be repaired or rebuilt at no cost.
I don't know about the Bushmaster.
And I think the PLR is a good looking gun. I call my AR "The Paint-ball Gun".:D

I'm thinking about buying two more PLR's but not considering buying another AR.


But if you are thinking about swapping out uppers, like polik6887 said, a AR would be the way to go. With the PLR .223 is it and I haven't heard of anything else in the future.

lamazza
October 24, 2007, 09:27 PM
I tried shooting my friends AR pistol and have to say that it WAS NOT a pleasurable hand gunning experience.

1lostinspace
October 25, 2007, 12:40 AM
I had a Kel tec CA su16 same action sent it in for repairs 4 times the last time asked for my money back went out and got a 16" AR the rest is history.
From my experience it was just don't do it.:barf:

jpwilly
October 25, 2007, 02:45 AM
I recently shot a PLR at the range. Neat but I like my 45's for pistols - much more economical!

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