Pocket size .45


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stephpd
October 24, 2007, 02:30 PM
I was wondering if anybody here has seen anthing like seacamp or keltec sized pocket gun in .45acp? I'e seem a couple of 9mm guns that come close but I would really like something in.45 caliper that will fit in my front jeans pocket. Hopefully with 5+ rounds.:D
I've got a Pt-145 but it is too tight a fit for pocket carry.

As anybody seen such a 'beast'? Just curious:evil:

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captainamerica
October 24, 2007, 02:43 PM
There are 2 shot .45 LC derringers and someone makes an AMT .45 acp. The Para Warthawg and Nitehawg .45's are pretty small too. And some snubs come in 45 acp or 45 LC. Kahr has very small .40's but I don't think any are in .45.

Bobo
October 24, 2007, 02:57 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org./showthread.php?t=171820

Gustav
October 24, 2007, 03:01 PM
Other than a single shot or a Derringer I would not think it possible or practical as the .45ACP round is allot larger than a .32ACP or .380ACP

It would be hard if not impossible to design an ultra compact semi auto .45ACP that is equal or smaller in size to a .380 if it were easy or feasible it would have been done by now I would think.;)

Maybe in .45GAP one could design something similar to a Kahr P-9 compact?

Compact .45s that come to mind are the Detonics the Springfield Micro .45 the Semmerling LM4 Colt Officers Glock 30 and 36 glock could make a ultra compact .45GAP along the lines of the model 26/27
One could also design and built something like the discontinued COP 4 shot .357 derringer hopefully getting it to work better than the original did.

sel366
October 24, 2007, 03:09 PM
AMT .45acp is a lot smaller than the PT145. Probably a lot heavier though. Check Gunbroker.

Ghost Tracker
October 24, 2007, 03:15 PM
Kahr makes a P45 compact polymer autoloader, but the reports have been mixed as to its performance. I would personally go with a steel framed compact like their MK40. It's got PLENTY of juice.

romma
October 24, 2007, 03:16 PM
http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_pm.html

Probably the smallest...

AK103K
October 24, 2007, 03:21 PM
I believe this is probably one of the smallest handguns in .45acp....

Downsizer WSP

http://members.aol.com/wsp45/WSP3.jpg

http://members.aol.com/wsp45/index.html

51Cards
October 24, 2007, 03:34 PM
Gee, AK ... that looks a LOT of fun to shoot! :D

AK103K
October 24, 2007, 03:35 PM
Dont it though? My knuckle hurts just looking at it. :D

51Cards
October 24, 2007, 03:55 PM
Just had an opportunity to fire a few .38s from a S&W Airweight (I forget the model, but it's micro). Definitely not too bad. In the KT .380 class of :eek:

The next two were .357s. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I will not try that again unless it is my only, only option.

(Quick story on that S&W: Woman came to the range, gun was NIB. First-timer. (With that, right?) Went on the lie with an instructor, fired two shots (.38), asked the instructor if he wanted to buy a gun. He did, for about $300.)

150 rounds from my Defender is absolutely nothing compared to that magnum hell in --- what? --- a 1-7/8" barrel?

But looking at that Downsizer, man. What's it do, downsize you to about three fingers?

Anyone here ever fire that thing?

MICHAEL T
October 24, 2007, 04:00 PM
Ive pocket carried my Colt Defender in my jeans. and I belive I read several have allready tried the new Colt agent for pocket carry.
Right now I have a CA Bulldog 44 in my pocket .

MICHAEL T
October 24, 2007, 04:01 PM
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51Cards
October 24, 2007, 04:14 PM
I think the Colt New Agent uses a bunch of the same parts as the Defender. Colt told me that springs are in short supply because they've been allocated to the new one. Rats.

I've tried the Defender in a pocket. Not on my frame!

old_ironsights
October 24, 2007, 05:27 PM
High Standard is presently producing the AMT .45 Backup - $489.00. I have an old one. Brick-heavy but dependable. Definitely not a pocket carry, but not all that bad in a IWB.

Cobra Patriot .45 is roughly the size of the Kel Tec P-11.

Mine has been flawless and it's handled a carload of mixed ammo.

http://www.cobrapistols.com/images/doubleaction_patriot45.gif

[Factory Propaganda]
.45 ACP
3.3" barrel length
6.0 " overall length
4.74" overall height
1.0" width
20 oz. empty weight
Magazine capacity:
6+1 Rounds
Locked Breech
Slide: Stainless Steel or optional Black Melonite® coating
Grip: Checkered Ergonomic design

BillinNH
October 24, 2007, 05:38 PM
<Cobra Patriot .45 is roughly the size of the Kel Tec P-11.

Mine has been flawless and it's handled a carload of mixed ammo.>


Same with mine. Had it for years. About the best CCW DAO 45 I can think of. Much under appreciated.

Aa to size, it is exactly six inches long. Holds 6+1 with flush fitting mag, more with 1911 mags.

Bill

CoRoMo
October 24, 2007, 05:40 PM
Keep in mind the recoil involved with large caliber bug guns. Those .357 mag and .44 mag Derringers are no fun to shoot extensively at the range when you're trying to get accurate with it. Look into a small J frame, Kel-Tec, or Kahr. They should suffice.

Gustav
October 24, 2007, 05:46 PM
That Cobra Patriot is a new one I never heard of it, from the description and pics I am intrigued by it and will check into one.
Thanks ;)

AK103K
October 24, 2007, 06:09 PM
Have you looked at a SIG P245? Although not really a pocket gun, its really not much bigger than a 2" J frame, and will fit into a large pocket. Mine is VERY accurate and has been 110% reliable. It will also work with P220 mags, which is what I carried for my reloads when I used it.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d700b3127ccebc121f76985f00000036100CYuWbdo5bsU

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d700b3127ccebc120137981100000036100CYuWbdo5bsU

I dont usually carry a .45 these days, as I've switched over to SIG's in 357SIG.

Anna's Dad
October 24, 2007, 06:28 PM
The Cobra Patriot is essentially (maybe exactly, but I don't know that) the no longer produced Republic Arms Patriot. I had one but just found it too big/heavy for pocket carry and sold it.

camsdaddy
October 24, 2007, 08:02 PM
I just cringe at the thought. I can only imagine how low I would should do to anticipation of the recoil. Talk about developing a flinch.

Car Knocker
October 24, 2007, 08:53 PM
I've pocket-carried my Kimber UC for quite some time without problem.

Jackal
October 24, 2007, 09:35 PM
Ok, why has no one mentioned the Glock 36? It meets his criteria almost perfectly. A .45 in the same package as a sub-compact 9mm? Sign me up.

Lou22
October 24, 2007, 09:59 PM
I second the Cobra Patriot. It is the most compact .45 in light-weight polymer (though the Kahr PM45 is close). Recoil and trigger pull are reasonable for a DAO. I bought mine new a couple years ago for about $212 plus shipping. Check out Gunbroker or Auction Arms on a regular basis as they can be hard to find. As far as I know Cobra still makes them.

Lou

CPshooter
October 24, 2007, 11:58 PM
Isn't the Kahr P45 about the same size as the Cobra Patriot? I remember seeing a Patriot review in a gun magazine of mine, and it was something around 6" long, 4.8" tall, 1" wide. Those dimensions are nearly identical to the Kahr P45's.

stephpd
October 25, 2007, 01:35 PM
Thanks guys. Lots of information to look into. I love my pt-145 and some of the guns recommended aren't but a little under the size it. Loved the little downsizer. How many rounds that thing hold? So cute! Is it brutal to shoot?

Heard amt backup is heavy and brutal
Will check on Karl arms and the cobra patriot. Either of them as gentle as the pt-145? It has very little recoil.

I like autos more then revolvers but they just don't seem to fit in pockets as well.
Might go with that snubbie .357. Just gotta convince the wife, it not the gun but all the ammo that I need for it:D

Conqueror
October 25, 2007, 02:38 PM
I second the Cobra Patriot. It is the most compact .45 in light-weight polymer (though the Kahr PM45 is close).

Nope. PM45 is smaller.

Cobra Patriot
.45 ACP
3.3" barrel length
6.0 " overall length
4.74" overall height
1.0" width
20 oz. empty weight
Magazine capacity:
6+1 Rounds

Kahr PM45
.45 ACP
3.14" barrel length
5.67" overall length
4.49" overall height
1.01" width
17.3oz empty weight
Magazine capacity:
5+1 rounds

Gunner4h1r3
October 25, 2007, 03:29 PM
I've packed a Colt 1991A1 Compact in the back pocket of my jeans and haven't had a problem. Good luck finding one these days though. My dad gave me his as a 16th birthday gift and I love it. 6+1 with a flush mag although I use Kimber Officer mags that offer 7+1 in the same package as the Colt mag. Normally I pack it in a Fobus paddle or a Uncle Mike's IWB.

Gunner

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