Springfield XD .45 or Sig P220


October 25, 2007, 12:11 AM
I'm trying to decide between these two and seem to be leaning towards the XD. I like the capacity 13+1. I'm concerned that the quality may not be as good as the P220. I plan on using the gun as my HD and for plinking/target practice. I've never owned a Semi before. I've held both and like them both. Budget is also a big part of the decision-unfortunately. The XD is probably my best choice?:confused:

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October 25, 2007, 12:43 AM
XD is a fine gun. Not my favorite, but a great HD gun.

I own an XD45 and owned a 220 (sold after it broke 2X) and IMHO the Sig is definitly not worth the extra money. It shoots a little bit better...but its finish is terrible and I did not find it as reliable.

Both are good gun, but my .02 is that the XD is better for the $$$

Take the difference and put it toward an inexpensive reloader as .45 ammo is insane today and simple to load!

good luck!

October 25, 2007, 01:10 AM
Let me offer a somewhat different perspective. I looked at the XD and the SIG at the same time. I ended up with a 220. The grip is shorter--easier for me to conceal with the holster and cover I use, I really like the single action on the 220, the DA is also very smooth. I will say the XD does a very good job of using space efficently. The capacity vs. grip size is amazing.

The 220 is generally recognized as the best out of the box .45 in terms of quality and accuracy. I can verify the accuracy as far as mine is concerned. Reliability has been great with both factory and reloads. Recoil is a bit snappier than with my 1911. Either pistol will do what you want it to, Both are very good guns. Can you find a range that rents both to shoot side by side? They each have very different personalities--you need to find which one fits you.

October 25, 2007, 01:10 AM
To be honest, if the grip of the XD45 isn't too big for you, I'd save yourself a few hundred bucks and just go with the XD. I think if you asked XD.40 or P229 .40, I'd say P229 even though I LOVED my XD.40. But if it's going to be 13+1 of .45ACP vs. 8+1, I'd choose the XD especially for the money savings. But then again, unless you reload, you will burn up that difference in $ over a few range sessions with .45 ammo. You might go through it faster w/ 13+1!

If you want a Sig and money isn't an issue, then by all means go for it. If someone said here's both, take your pic I'd have to choose the P220 myself. The grip of the XD45 feels weird in my hands compared to the smaller XD.40 grip I loved so much, so it would make this decision even easier for me:) Also, the P220 is a Sig and known for it's accuracy and great DA/SA trigger. Sig makes high-quality stuff. But make no mistake, the XD is anything but a low-quality pistol.. both great choices. Good luck!

October 25, 2007, 01:23 AM
I own both. Although I current have a minor issue with it, I strongly prefer the SIG P220. The XD is just weird to me. I like it, but it's not my fav.

A buddy of mine also has an XD, and he as well thinks it's a bit weird.

Oooo... 100th post. :cool:


October 25, 2007, 04:03 AM
I have a XD-9 and P220R. IMO, the XD is like a Nissan Maxima and the Sig is like a BMW 5-Series. The Sig is very accurate and the fit and finish is noticeably better than the XD. Also I the trigger is much better than the XD trigger. The Sig is sexier too IMO :)


October 25, 2007, 04:59 AM
i don't own the XD but i do own the p220 and it has made a believer out of me. I only have 1 sig but i can tell you it's accurate, rock solid, and i trust it with my life. the grip is a little big though, so you really should handle it and the XD first.

October 25, 2007, 07:31 AM
While I really like the XD the 220 is in a class by itself.

October 25, 2007, 08:42 AM
I can't comment on the Sig as I haven't shot one but part of the original question is durability. I'm well over 3k rounds through my XD and it still looks like new. It did smooth out a bit once I past 1k. Never a burp or hiccup. (no FTF, FTE, etc) The only knock if there is one is that it doesn't like LSWC's . . .don't know if the Sig does or not.


October 25, 2007, 08:53 AM
The Sig is a top shelf SA/DA, the XD is among the top self striker fired pistols. You really can't go wrong with either. I own a p220 and have shot a xd40 quite a bit, I think they are both great. However they are different animals. Do you want a striker fired pistol or a SA/DA (also available in DAK [DAO])? All metal or a polymer pistol? Go with the one you personally like more, and you can't go wrong.

get both...

October 25, 2007, 01:02 PM
XD is like a Nissan Maxima and the Sig is like a BMW 5-Series.

In other words, the XD does everything the Sig does, does it just as well, and does it for half the price.

Which is all the more reason to go with the XD.

October 25, 2007, 02:25 PM
In other words, the XD does everything the Sig does, does it just as well, and does it for half the price.

Given the choice, I think I'd rather drive a BMW. Can't always explain it, but sometimes there's just more to it than simple A-to-B. ;)


October 25, 2007, 02:45 PM
How much better does the Sig have to be? The XD will shoot fine for HD, target and plinking.

HD, hopefully never gets a shot. Plinking, most any gun can do that pretty well. Target, how much are you going to shoot and how accurate do you expect to be?

Are more rounds helpful? Are they more convenient and useful? Probably so.

You save some money on the XD and get a pretty damn nice gun.

If it fits your hand and you like the feel, what the heck? Buy it and buy ammo with the difference.

October 25, 2007, 02:52 PM
Sex appeal!! SIG has more sex appeal! XD is like a hairy Croatian guy. SIG is like a Swiss/German supermodel.

I'm an American dammit. I want sex with everything!

:neener: :D


October 25, 2007, 04:37 PM
Thanks everybody! The info has given me plenty to think about! I would like to eventually get into competition shooting, though I don't know what kind, combat, silhouette, target, etc...

I pray I won't need it for HD but I want to have plenty of firepower if I do need it. I guess having 14 available compared to having 9 available shouldn't necessarily be a deciding factor. I would hope 9 would be enough to handle any situation I would run into. I don't expect I'll carry day to day. I'm still trying to make up my mind on this as well. I mention this because it may have bearing on which gun to choose, 5", 4" or sub compact.

When I look at my budget which is $600 it comes down to a new XD or a used P220. It sounds like I'd be happy either way. What is an inexpensive box of factory target rounds? What would be a good HD round? Maybe this belongs in another forum? Thanks for the help!

October 25, 2007, 04:52 PM
My comments were based mostly on looks. I'm sure you'll be fine with the XD. You just put it up against the SIG in your original post, and I think the SIG's just prettier. But looks should really be the last thing on the list. I owned my XD long before buying any SIG and never, even now, did I regret buying it.

The XD really is a great pistol. Mine runs flawlessly and is very accurate. Pick one up and enjoy! You'll be very happy with it. ;)


October 25, 2007, 10:57 PM
In other words, the XD does everything the Sig does, does it just as well, and does it for half the price.

Which is all the more reason to go with the XD.

Well only if you think getting from point a to point b reliably is the only factor. But if you want to consider aesthetics, how well put together it is, and the performance then it's a whole nother ball game. A better comparison is like your Maxima vs an M5. Sure the XD gets the job done well and reliably. But other things to consider: P220ST/Elite stainless looks far better than any XD could ever dream of (I think it's improtant if you ever plan on handing it down generations). The trigger is going to be better (and far more options). IMHO the P220 feels better in my hands. And because of the trigger more accurate. I also like my guns to feel significant so another positive on the sig.

October 25, 2007, 11:00 PM
I prefer the Sig.

October 26, 2007, 12:34 AM
. What is an inexpensive box of factory target rounds? What would be a good HD round? Maybe this belongs in another forum? Thanks for the help!

I get CCI Blazer Brass at Wally World for 12/box of 50. Cheapest .45 I can find anywhere.

October 26, 2007, 01:27 AM
I'd go w/ the P220 ;)

October 26, 2007, 03:42 AM
I was faced with the same choice. Went with a used P220 and I am completely satisfied. Handles and shoots like a dream, and is just an overall sexier/better pistol for me. So part of the appeal of the Sig is just emotional, but hey I like the gun. ;)

October 26, 2007, 03:54 AM
I honestly can't say for the P220 but I carry a XD .45 4" 13+1 and it is the best handgun I have ever shot(not saying much) but i wouldnt give it up for the world.

October 26, 2007, 06:51 AM
Gonna chime in on this also. I have shot both guns and have the XD. While I do love the Sig's, I would put your money on the XD. FWIW - The XD feels smaller in my hands.

Contact a reputable gunsmith and have the trigger worked on. Rob @ Springer Precision did mine for my XD-9 and I have a crisp 3.5lb trigger now. :D

Ala Dan
October 26, 2007, 07:20 AM
as both are quality firearms~! :)

I own both, as a West German SIG-SAUER P220A .45 ACP served as my
duty weapon for 'bout 12 years; and I acquired the first Springfield 4"
service model XD-F .45 ACP to land in the State Of Alabama, back in
December of '05. This is a really good comparison, because both guns
high what is called "high bore axis"; so if you can shoot one, then you
can shoot the other. I guess it comes down to magazine capacity; in
that case the Springer wins hands down~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

October 26, 2007, 08:58 AM
What would be a good HD round?

You will get wildly varying opinions on this, however I don't think you would go wrong with a 230 grain speer gold dot hollow point for you future .45acp.

And for what it's worth i do think my own p220 has a better trigger then an XD.

October 26, 2007, 10:05 AM
I bought and XD45 tactical foe target and uspsa. Fine gun but after a month spent an additional $400 and bought a 220. My XD is for sale if you are interested.

October 26, 2007, 10:37 AM
I would look at the HK USP in .45 as well as your choices.

October 26, 2007, 11:29 AM
In other words, the XD does everything the Sig does, does it just as well, and does it for half the price.

In my experience, the Sig is in another league in terms of accuracy and potential durability. As far as the price, I love my Sigs but I'd never pay what they ask for a new one! You can get P220's used all day long for around $450, sometime less. The older German guns are arguably better in most regards anyway.
That said, I'm trying to trade for an XD45 to put some ammo through to make a more valid comparison. I will never part with my P220!

October 27, 2007, 02:46 PM
People keep talking about the Sig being accurate and extremely durable. I have owned 6 Sigs: 3 220's, 1 229, 1 226, and 1 228. The fit was very good on all of these. The finish just plain sucks on all of them. It wears very easy for pistols that have price tags like this. I "grew up" shooting a 220, and it was a good pistol. However durability is questionable on all of these. The only one of the Sigs I owned that didn't have something break was the 229 because I got rid of it before I shot 1,000 rounds out of it due to feed problems. 220-broken hammer pin, broken extractor, broken trigger return spring. 228-broken hammer pin, extractor wore out. 226-broken slide lock, slide would rarely lock back after last shot. Keep in mind I shoot, and I shoot alot. I don't take care of my weapons, I treat them like crap. I want to know what they can take. Accuracy was never brilliant out of any of these pistols. Sigs do not shoot as accurate as a good 1911. You can tighten the hell out of the slide to get it to shoot accurately, but it won't be reliable.
I own 2 XD's: a 40 and 45 service. Both of these pistols are pretty accurate. Just as accurate as any Sig I have owned. Are they as accurate as my Kimber 1911? No. Are they more reliable? Yes as all the MIM parts on my Kimber have failed except for the slide release. I have not broken anything on either XD yet. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 through my XD 40 and so far so good. I just bought the 45 last week so it only has 2,000 through it. No problems yet. It is getting ready to experience a high volume of rounds as I spent the better part of 3 days cranking out rounds from my little blue press. Hot rounds. Accuracy is better than I expected, better than the 40 for me. My only concern with the 45 is that they shaved off a LOT of plastic in order to get the grip to the size that it is. Take out the magazine and you can literally "pinch" the sides of the grip inwards. Can't do that on the 40. My concern with that is how well it will contain a kaboom. We shall see sooner or later, no doubt someone will blow one up with a double charge of powder.

Owned an HK which was definately more accurate than any Sig I owned, but the grip was a little too big for me. HK's are over priced IMO as well, and I would not have bought it except I got a smoking deal on it. I never broke anything on it either.

Sig vs XD? My opinion is the XD due to my experience with both brands. The Sig is overpriced for what you get. Magazines for the Sig are extremely expensive, and I found that they are not reliable with any type of after market mags. You get a max of 9 shots with the Sig and 14 with the XD. A Sig costs 700 or more new, I paid 530 for my XD. I got 2 hi cap mags, a holster, double magazine holster, and a mag loader, (and some other crap) included with the pistol. Pretty much a no brainer if you ask me.

October 27, 2007, 07:47 PM
"I don't take care of my weapons".:rolleyes:
"Pretty much a no brainer...":scrutiny:

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
October 27, 2007, 08:58 PM
I've shot the XD45 a little. I'd say I've got 300 rounds through one. I don't own one, but that's probably going to change. I like it just fine, as far as polymer frame pistols go. I'll put my money into one. It fits my hand without problems, it's not too bulky for me if I decided to CCW one, and it hits where I point it.

On the other hand, I've owned a P220 for a few years now, and I'm really comfortable with it, both from an operational point of view as well as a practical applicator of hits on target. Mine is a lightly used/not abused one I found that had been traded in for something else. I paid about $390 for it with SIG night sights, 3 mags, case, and a full set of new replacement springs. A side note is that the P220 gets carried fairly frequently.

Put one of each in your hands, run at least 50 rounds through them each, and get back to me. You might end up budgeting for both.


October 27, 2007, 11:08 PM
Well, I had the same problem. I bought the XD45, one month later sold it and bought my 220 equinox. Wow, what a difference. Its the difference between a Ford and a BMW, they both get you there but one does it more securly and in style. I now have two 220's a compact and an equinox.

October 29, 2007, 12:46 AM
Thank you all for your insights! This last Friday a friend let me shoot his xd .45 acp and I loved it! He doesn't own a Sig but it was great to try the xd. I was surprised how much better I shot this gun than I did my Taurus 627 Tracker Titanium 4" 357. When I get the Taurus back from Taurus (they're fixing the timing) I'll be trading for an XD. I also got to shoot his S&W 29 44 mag. What a trigger! I can see this is going to get VERY EXPENSIVE!

November 1, 2007, 03:32 PM
"I don't take care of my weapons".

"Pretty much a no brainer..."

Let me clarify what I mean by I don't take care of my weapons so that Mr. Senior Member who probably knows everything understands....I shoot alot, I don't clean them frequently, they have been overseas with me many times where they won't be rotting in a gun safe getting weekly rub downs with Hoppes. Instead they get sandblasted, wet, scratched, saltwater soakings, jumped, (I did lose a Sig on a jump once, it was recovered and it was a little beat up, but still worked just fine) and many other things a combat firearm should pass through with shining colors.
My weapons get USED hard. When I am not deployed I shoot IDPA to stay fresh, and I use my deployment weapons to do this. If they break: IE Sigs, then I won't trust them. Much to my chagrin, I won't take 1911's with me either because I found out the hard way there is a chance the trigger won't return when subjected to sand. Other people have had different experiences with this, but that is mine and I go by what I have experienced. I use what works, if you want to slam a "newbie" with more than a little experience with quality firearms then "no brainer" might just be a term you should embrace. You can take your cute little emoticons and shove them up your lilly ass for all I care. I expressed my opinion on the matter as the original poster had requested. I am not here to sell a product, or bash one if it doesn't warrant it. If the XD fails, you can bet I will be posting what happened so that others who don't shoot as much will know what they are getting in to.

Also edit from my last post, I failed to mention that the XD's don't seem to like SWC ammo, it may just be my loadings. I have to carry ball on deployments so that's not a problem just embarrassing when at a match when it doesn't feed right. I am also beginning to wonder about the quality of the mags as on deployments they may stay loaded for some time and I don't like to have to cycle them all the time, that may be a concern for those who might use it as a nightstand gun or duty piece and forget to cycle mags.....time will tell.

Death from Above.

November 1, 2007, 03:58 PM

Guns that require care, or are forgiving of many rounds in between total disassembly, inspection, cleaning, and reassembly.

That is where Sigs, i.e. a P220 SAS or Carry IMHO, make for the best all around best CCW and accurate shooters, and requiring the least amount of care.

This is simply based on 2 things:

Sigs are one of, IF NOT, the easiest guns to disassemble, inspect, clean, and reassemble, out there, bar none.

They are very forgiving of going 500 -800 rounds before total cleaning is needed from my experience without acquiring damage of any kind, as quick, inspections, cleanings, re-oiling of rails and guides, feed ramp, and breach block, 3 runs with bore-snake thru the barrel, take but 3 - 5 mins max.

Whereas, any 1911, demands proper timing, being Clean of powder residue on the feed ramps, breach blocks or the interior of the magazines, and must be WET on the rails and guides in order for them to perform dependably IMO.

And with that demand, comes the tear-downs, and no matter how many times I have taken my down, they are not that fun, nor forgiving, if ya make a mistake, scratch wise, or operation wise, as one must go SLOW with these demanding features of the 1911's IMO.

Therefore, with all that I know and IMHO, that favors the SIG, bar none.

Only requirements to have:

1. semi oily pure cotton T-shirt for wiping

2. small bottle of good gun oil and EEZOX synthetic lube/cleaner in one (instructions on can or bottle)

3. Box of Q-Tips (for cleaning and application of oil and EEZOX)

4. *1 for cleaning or *2, one for clean application of lube-only, *Bore Snakes, your call, for (spraying of EEZOX on-it for cleaning and lubing of one's barrel)

5. 5 mins max


November 1, 2007, 04:01 PM
In other words, the XD does everything the Sig does, does it just as well, and does it for half the price.

Which is all the more reason to go with the XD.
yep i have 2 xds that i have ran hard and i have beenvery pleased there isn't a gun out there that i like more, polymer or not they are outstanding weapons and i will most definetly be buying more of the xd line up in the future.

November 1, 2007, 04:20 PM
Sig P220 is an awesome gun and gets alot more votes when I ask around.

November 1, 2007, 10:49 PM
Never liked XDs, love my P220 though.

November 1, 2007, 11:32 PM
Im with lrrs1 -

I dont get the Sig thing. They shoot pretty nice, yes they are accurate. They should be for a $750 gun that is the quality of a $250 gun.

I never owned a gun with worse finish and showed more wear than my Sig 220. The slide to frame fit was terrible...It also flat out broke 2X in the first 1000 rounds. SIG was great about sending new parts....but it still flat out broke mid magazine. It went down the road..maybe it was just a lemon, I will admit that.

FWIW I also pretty much baby my handguns, but SIGs are practically "delicate" IMHO.

Again, the 220 was accurate, but Id buy the XD...or look elsewhere. I have an XD45 and its far from my favorite simply due to the trigger. Id pick a Beretta PX4 over both. Save the extra $300 for ammo or training.

Glock for reliability and durability, Kimber/any 1911 for range accuracy.

November 2, 2007, 03:05 AM
Lonestar great point on the 1911. I lost the recoil spring plug when I had it disassembled in the field once. I frickin shot off like a rocket into the jungle and was never recovered as we wound up having to move shortly after. I cussed that one up for a while. That was one part I didn't think about bringing along with me (I had an extra extractor, springs and all kinds of other crap, but not that part).
Disassembly on the Sig and XD are very similar and they are both strong points for these pistols. I liked the feel of the Sig, it is the best feeling pistol out there IMO as I am not particularly fond of polymer.
Cleaning each one is a snap. I did go one VERY extended period with my early model 220 (before the rebounding hammer) and the Sig's trigger got so heavy I could not pull it. Mind you it shot a LOT of dirty ammo and went for about 3 months without cleaning. There was so much brass and carbon in the trigger group it wouldn't allow it to travel far enough back to release the hammer. I cleaned it up and it worked fine after that.

The XD so far is doing well. I have tried some hand loads and got good groups, but funny enough it shoots the best groups so far with Rem UMC. It will see government loads this weekend. It will be my training piece for the weekend so it is going to get aired out. I won't post on it again unless it breaks or impresses the hell out of me.

Three Man
November 2, 2007, 06:11 PM
Every now and then I try the Sig P220 and they never seem to fit me well.

By try, I mean I purchased and sold a couple even a newer stainless with the rail.

I tried an XD45 and it fit my hand well.
Accurate and for games I purchased a Pistol Gear gunsmith fit barrel and a trigger sear kit.
I fit the barrel and did a trigger job with the Springer Precision trigger kit.
XD is the choice for me.

25 Yards two hand grip. :what:

http://xs221.xs.to/xs221/07444/XD45.jpg (http://xs.to)

November 3, 2007, 05:22 PM
I've had a Sig 220, an XD .45 and an XD .45 compact. I prefer the S&W M&P in .45 over all those. The Sig had a less-than-satisfactory finish, so-so trigger pull, and just didn't fit me like an M&P does. I didn't care for the finish or trigger on the XD, but so far I love everything about the M&P...feel, trigger, finish, and it's more accurate than either of the other two were for me.

November 3, 2007, 09:54 PM
Nothing wrong with the XD if it suits you. I've tried one and it just didn't fit my hand well. For me it's the P220. It is positively my favorite pistol to shoot and I've never shot one that wasn't superbly accurate right out of the box.

I just picked up my second used (Certified Pre-Owned) CPO P220. This one has an older W. German frame and Sig put a new Nitroned stainless slide on it. Looks almost new and shoots just like all my other P220's - lights out.

November 3, 2007, 10:11 PM
i have a sig p220r and an xd 45 compact.

the sig is well made, seems durable and has functioned 100%. it is accurate, and has a good trigger. for its size and weight, it would be nice if it held more that 8+1.

the xd is well made, seems durable and has functioned 100% as well. it is also accurate, and has a decent trigger (fairly long reset). it is similar in size, but holds 13+1 and is lighter.

if i could only choose one to keep, it would be the XD. just my personal preference.

November 3, 2007, 10:23 PM
No need for a tantrum and cursing, that's what ARFcom is for! You were simply quoted. I do wish I knew everything, however that's not the case. Post count really means nothing, and I don't intentially slam newbies. That said, we'll have to agree to disagree on Sig vs XD quality. If you use them hard, you have to maintain them properly regardless of brand. You're certainly lucky in whatever it is you do that you have such latitude in terms of weapons choices.
I just traded into an XD45 service model today. Hopefully soon I can run some informal tests on the P220 vs XD45, stay tuned.

November 4, 2007, 12:25 AM
I dont get the Sig thing. They shoot pretty nice, yes they are accurate. They should be for a $750 gun that is the quality of a $250 gun.

Step away from the crack pipe Jr.

November 4, 2007, 01:40 AM
I agree with Tecumseh on this one.

Check out the USP's or any other HK product. They are a bit expensive, but well worth they money.

November 4, 2007, 01:42 AM
Oh, and Sigs are mighty fine as well. Their finish isn't worth a crap, but they are mighty fine guns.

Not a thing wrong with XD's either.

I highly doubt you will be disappointed with your decision either way.

November 4, 2007, 05:31 PM
M&P .45 is a better deal than either pistol or the Glock 21 SF. I can't get too excited about Sigs these days. Their quality control and customer service has suffered. Probably because of their production of shiny pistols of various types with. Quantity over quality seem to be their new rule but their prices have not dropped accordingly. I understand why people like XD's but I find that they have too many parts I don't want or need, have too high a bore axis, and poor triggers. The good news is that there are an awful lot of really nice .45's these days in the $5-$600 price range.

November 5, 2007, 12:32 PM
XD all the way if you are on a budget. The 13+1 is a nice peace of mind to have.

Sig isn't too lefty-friendly, so i would go with the XD since I am a southpaw.

November 5, 2007, 03:59 PM
I ran over 600 rds through a .40 Sig, and then I bought an XD because I'm a lefty.

No regrets.

November 5, 2007, 04:35 PM
SIG = BMW OK, I agree in a sense. Send it back to the dealer every three hundred rounds for a required service and pay $400 for the lube and oil change. Been there got one, BMW, not SIG. Will NEVER have another. Gee, that sounds like the former SIG owner.

I've got a 4" XD45 that is absolutely reliable with decent ammo, is easy and fast to clean when I get around to it, hasn't rusted or shown any finish wear in a couple of years of packing it, hits where it's aimed, I find myself shooting it while my Glock 21 stays in its tupperware box in the safe. The XD just feels much better, shoots (for me) more accurately and is faster on double and triple taps. Is it my favorite? No, that goes to my all steel ten millimeter pistols from Italy. Is it easier to clean than my PT145 carry gun? No, about the same. It is my HD pistol with a 90lumen light under the barrel and a full load of 185gr Barnes solid copper hollow points over a max charge of Power Pistol.

Choice between SIG and XD for me is easy I'll probably never own another SIG or H&K pistol. I do like Styer and FN and may pick up a couple of them to play with.

Back to the OP, my suggestion is to go with the XD. The design is proven, the quality is good and the after sale support is outstanding.

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