First Gun: Taurus PT1911 vs. CZ 75 SP-01


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choira
October 25, 2007, 01:57 AM
So I am looking to actually purchase a first gun. I have been shooting for a few years but it has always been with my buddy's guns: sig 220 .45, 226 .40, glock 17, SA xd .45, kimber covert custom, hk usp compact, hk mk23, beretta px4 storm, etc.

I am trying to decide between the PT1911 an the CZ 75 SP-01. I like 1911's and how they feel/shoot but I also like the 9mm caliber for the price and I have heard good things about the CZ. If you could have one of these guns, which one would it be and why? Do you think one or the other would make a good first gun? Thanks :neener:

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10-Ring
October 25, 2007, 02:13 AM
I reallly like 1911s, but I'm not a Taurus fan -- the 2 I've owned have left ALOT to be desired. That said, I'd prolly go w/ the CZ ;)

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George Hill
October 25, 2007, 02:14 AM
First gun? Get the 9MM so you can practice more, develop your skills. Look for the Kadet .22 Adapter kit so you can really practice.

choira
October 25, 2007, 02:18 AM
Thanks for the welcome and the words, guys! I would ideally do the CZ but I've never shot it and nowhere around me has them for demo.

What about RIA 1911's? The savings in terms of the price of the gun could offset some of the increased ammo costs...

Hoffy
October 25, 2007, 04:22 AM
I'm with George Hill, get the 9mm (I hear the CZ-75 is a good choice). I like my PT1911 but he is spot on with his long view advice.

AZ_Rebel
October 25, 2007, 04:25 AM
The PT1911 and the CZ75 are both excellent handguns - but quite different in a lot of respects. I have owned CS75's and have had very positive experiences with them. I particularly appreciate that they can be carried Cocked & Locked. I currently own and carry a PT1911 and have over 12,000 rounds through it without a problem.
Your question could be more specifically answered if you would indicate how you plan on using the gun. If it is just to be a gun you take to a range to shoot for fun and practice then the CZ and 9mm may be your choice. If, on the other hand, you intend this piece to be a serious defense tool then the stopping power of the .45 and single action trigger may be a better choice. The 1911 takes a little more practice (and training/instruction).
Good Luck

SDDL-UP
October 25, 2007, 10:31 AM
I would go with the CZ for two reasons.

1) Chances are extremely high that you won't have that option after the next "assault weapons ban", for the children of course. So get the 20 round capacity of the CZ-75 SP-01 now.

2) Once you try the CZ you will likely be buying more of them anyway!

robctwo
October 25, 2007, 10:43 AM
I have a number of CZs and 1911s, but not the two you are looking at. One of my first hand guns was the CZ75BD. I put the .22 Kadet Kit on it right away. One or two boxes of 9mm and a brick of .22 will give you a lot of shooting for a reasonable amount of money.

I also love the 1911. I recently bought the Ciener .22 kit and some additional magazines. Great addition. If you are reloading, .45 isn't too bad to shoot either.

I owned three CZs before I bought my fisrt 1911 and have no regrets. I probably shoot the 1911s more today, but I have a couple of high end guns that demand range time.

hkusp
October 25, 2007, 10:45 AM
I'd give the nod to the SP-01. 9mm is half the price of 45acp unless you plan to reload. I have come to the conclusion that a 22lr Kadet Kit is a bad idea. Practicing with 22lr is fun, but not a realistic replacement for practice. Learning to overcome the loud bang and recoil of a centerfire round is a very inportant lesson and one you need to continue to relearn for as long as you shoot.

Chem Geek
October 25, 2007, 08:22 PM
I'd go with the SP-01 in a heart beat.

I have come to the conclusion that a 22lr Kadet Kit is a bad idea. Practicing with 22lr is fun, but not a realistic replacement for practice. Learning to overcome the loud bang and recoil of a centerfire round is a very inportant lesson and one you need to continue to relearn for as long as you shoot.

So what about dry firing?

armoredman
October 25, 2007, 08:33 PM
CZ rocks.

JHansenAK47
October 25, 2007, 08:37 PM
I have a SP-01 and love it I was thinking of getting a p-01 for ccw
mine came with tritium night sights

stevemis
October 25, 2007, 09:16 PM
I've got several CZ's, including the SP01 Tactical (decocker) with night sights. I've also been thinning out the 1911 herd and adding the CZ's.

We've got a lot of pistols, but it seems my wife and I constantly fight over who gets to shoot the SP01 when we're at the range. That really says something.

I'm looking to one-up with a Champion in 9mm or a Tactical Sport in 9. If I can't find either of those, I'll happily pick up another SP01, this time with a safety... just to be different.

If you're contemplating this for carry, give the P01 a solid look..

bb21
October 25, 2007, 10:23 PM
I was checking out the CZ-75 and P-O1 today, and I was very impressed with the P-O1, and the CZ-75 is a fine weapon, that you will most likely won't be disappointed with, in my opinion it is one of the best 9's you can find. That being said the SP-01 would make an excellent Home Defense or Range gun. I would see how it fits your hand before you make a purchase.
Taurus makes some real good guns, although you will hear lots of bad things about them they are an excellent buy for the money. You will probably be happy with either and you may even find you need both eventually.
Good Luck and Be Safe!

jdc1244
October 25, 2007, 10:45 PM
I also have a SP-01 Tactical with about 800 jam-free rounds through it I highly recommend it. Accurate and reliable like all CZs.

LoadedDrum
October 25, 2007, 10:46 PM
I have an SP01 and whole heartedly recommend it. However, if you have any intentions of CCW and only intend on one handgun, then get the P01 instead because it is much lighter and more compact. I use a 2075 Rami for carry and the SP01 for every thing else. Also if you get a CZ you owe it to your self to get the kadet kit to go with it.

tbtrout
October 25, 2007, 10:48 PM
CZ, you will not be disappointed.

RNB65
October 25, 2007, 10:50 PM
Taurus vs CZ? HA! That's not even a valid choice. CZ all the way.

Johnny B
October 25, 2007, 10:57 PM
I've had an SP-01 and recently bought the PT1911. Both are excellent guns (I was on the fence about the Taurus, but today at the range we had somewhat of a bonding moment), but for a first gun, I would go with the CZ. It's super, freakishly accurate and can make a lousy shooter look good. There is practically no felt recoil due to a) its stainless steel frame, and b) the fact that it seems to be made for everybody's hand. .45 is more expensive than 9mm by about half, so plan on being able to shoot half again as much nine for the same amount of scratch. Although I approve of both guns, for a first, I would go with the CZ.

choira
October 26, 2007, 04:38 AM
good stuff guys, really.

Is the grip on the CZ relatively thick? I like the slim grips of the 1911 and can deal with the thickness of glocks, berettas, sigs, etc. but I can't deal with SA XD-like thickness.

Also, I've read that the trigger pull on the SP-01 is especially heavy and long, which can lead to inaccurate shooting? Also, is the trigger a really long reach?

choira
October 26, 2007, 04:41 AM
one more thing, the cz has fixed sights, right?

choira
October 26, 2007, 04:54 AM
What about the CZ vs. the Sig P226?

LoadedDrum
October 26, 2007, 08:00 AM
Is the grip on the CZ relatively thick? I like the slim grips of the 1911 and can deal with the thickness of glocks, berettas, sigs, etc. but I can't deal with SA XD-like thickness.

Also, I've read that the trigger pull on the SP-01 is especially heavy and long, which can lead to inaccurate shooting? Also, is the trigger a really long reach?

The CZ grip is thicker than a single stack 1911 but not as long. As far as double stack 9mm grips go it is very comfortable, better than a Glock or SIG grip, and much better than a Beretta.

The DA trigger pull is relatively long compared to most guns but I get the safety models instead of the decocker models so I never have to deal with it
What about the CZ vs. the Sig P226?

I bought both but sold the P226. The Sig's trigger is nicer out of the box but the CZ gets better with break-in. The CZ is an easier pistol to shoot accurately IMHO.

everallm
October 26, 2007, 08:49 AM
+1 with the SP-01 then when you have entered the CZ darkside and a need for a .45 comes up you can get the 97B or the Dan Wesson 1911.

If you want to smooth the trigger, Matt Mink at CZ does excellent work.

If you want some more details from users try the CZ forum. Suprisingly not real rabid, people talk about good AND bad, unlike some of the forums we could name.....:D

http://www.czforum.com/

obxned
October 26, 2007, 12:14 PM
Both are great guns, but 9mm is so much cheaper than .45 that you can get about twice as much practice with it.

choira
October 26, 2007, 12:20 PM
I think I will buy the CZ SP-01 today...I can't really tell the difference between the normal and the tactical though.

Where is the best place to purchase the gun? I've looked at gunbroker and their prices are right around $500....wondering if I can get it for around 400?

tackleberry45
October 26, 2007, 12:21 PM
Like comparing dried raisins to fine wine......Go CZ all the way!

choira
October 26, 2007, 12:24 PM
^ lol, I feel like this forum especially loves CZ's...are you guys a little biased or is this just the real deal?

I never buy sight unseen so im a little nervous.

Texastbird
October 26, 2007, 06:53 PM
You really need to find a place to shoot some of the current offerings and decide for yourself which one suits you the best. I have several nines and .45s and they all are fun guns to shoot, but for CCW or range I have my own preferences. I like a nine with a decocker for my bedside pistol and I keep a P89 Ruger for that purpose. I have a Taurus PT1911 but it is just for range shooting at the present. My daughter in law has a XD and everybody likes to shoot it... My son has his EAA Witness (CZ Clone) and its a fine shooter too, so make your own choice and enjoy arguing your preference with your shooting buddies. Just don't forget to practice every chance you get. And then practice some more.

RNB65
October 26, 2007, 07:17 PM
I can't really tell the difference between the normal and the tactical though.

The standard SP01 has a thumb safety and can carried with the hammer back in the cocked and locked position for SA only operation. The SP01 Tactical has a hammer drop (no manual safety) to safely lower the hammer and must be operated DA/SA.

I have an SP01 Tactical and it's one of my favorite handguns.

.357 magnum
October 27, 2007, 01:00 PM
Normally I would say the Taurus PT1911 it is actually a very good gun for the money. I know several people who own one and they Love them! That being said. It is your first gun as an owner. So with the price of ammo the way it is, I would go with the 9mm. I am mainly a .45 guy. But in the last 4 months or so, I have purchased two 9mm's. I am Super Impressed with my SW-MP 9mm. This gun has turned out to be one Excellent gun:D One of the best grips period, has an excellent shooting angle, well balanced, easy to take down. I put a Hogue slip on grip on and it just makes it that much better! I also have an MP .40 caliber. Cannot go wrong with the MP:) Put some Remington Golden Saber 124+P In her for SD and you have a nice Package for practice and defense. Have a Good One Buddy!

http://www.gunblast.com/SW_MP9.htm

The Best to You and Yours!

Frank

sb350hp
October 27, 2007, 01:48 PM
Alot of CZ fans out there it looks like. I have no experience with a CZ but I can tell you that I in no way regret the purchase of my PT1911. It is a fine handgun that shoots very very well. Nearly 1000 rounds not one failure of any kind.

The decision is yours. Shoot both of them if possible before you buy.

glk23
October 27, 2007, 05:08 PM
CZ all the way. Nothing bad ever said. I own a 75BD and love it. My advice to new CZ owners is always the same; put in a snap cap and pull trigger 5-700 times to smooth it up. Of course also put 3-400 down range also.

cedjunior
October 27, 2007, 05:42 PM
lol, I feel like this forum especially loves CZ's...are you guys a little biased or is this just the real deal?They're loved because they are proven, well made, inexpensive guns. You'll find a lot of bias against Taurus though. While some have had bad experiences in the past and have legitimate claims, there are a lot of folks here who bash Taurus without even ever firing one.

Personally, I'd go with the PT1911, but I'm looking at 1911's right now myself.

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