Need opinions- Carry Pistol- P200sk, G23 or G27?


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allamricn
October 26, 2007, 05:03 PM
I'm applying for my FL CCW and I am in the market for a CCW semiauto. I have narrowed it down to the HK P2000sk, Glock 23 & 27. I prefer .40SW, so I am not looking for suggestions on this round vs. that round. I currently only own a Glock 22, but I have had a G30 in the past which was a bit too thick for my tastes, and again, I would like to stick with one caliber throughout my collection.

I understand from doing searches that some say "carry the most gun you can" and make sure it "fits your hands" etc. The 23 is the most comfortable because of its size and the G27 is the least, again, because of its size, with the P2000sk being the middle ground I have found. I am concerned that the 23 will be the least easy to conceal.

I guess my questions are two fold:

1) Opinions as to my 3 choices, knowing that all are great firearms, but this is specifically for CCW only as the G22 is my HD firearm.

2) If your choice is the HK or the G27, what is your choice for carry ammo for a less than 4" barrel (my HD ammo is Ranger 165g R40TA)

Thanks for all the help!

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righteousbarbarian
October 26, 2007, 05:17 PM
1) personally if I had the money I would go with the HK by a healthy margin. It fits my hand well, it's known to be reliable, it's more attractive to me than the glocks, and i just like HKs a lot. To me they are like the high end BMWs of guns. In my money situation, I'd probably go with a G27 from your list. From my list I would go with a S&W M&P 40 compact.

2) I would carry Federal HST or HST Tactical Bonded for defense purposes. The independent test results of this round really impress me.

BayAreaTactical
October 26, 2007, 05:28 PM
Lean towards the Glock 27 you have a wide verity of carry options with it. You can carry it in the standard configuration, with the pinky extension on the mag or with the Glock 23 mag with the spacer which will give you the same grip length as the Glock 23 and makes it very comfortable to shoot. You can also use a clip draw on it which is how I carry my Glock 26, concealed, and have never had a problem with it.

Omega
October 26, 2007, 06:00 PM
I had very similar thoughts and went with Glock 27. Found out that I can't control recoil very well, even I never had a problem with G22. Replaced it with G26. Like it very much.
Now I am alternating between CZ PCR, H&K P2000 (40SW) and Glock26.
Try to find someone with these guns and try them first - this is (IMHO) the only way to make correct choice. Personally, I did too many wrong choices just because I liked the look or read a good reviews.

strat81
October 26, 2007, 06:05 PM
I have a G26 and for me, size is an issue. I needed the shortest gun possible (height-wise), so the G19 (g23) was out. With a G27 you can get the extended magazine floorplates to give your pinky a place to hang out while still maintaining a smaller size than a G23. You can also use G23 mags in the G27 with a grip adapter.

I vote G27.

GunNut
October 26, 2007, 08:09 PM
I'd say either the 23 or 27 depending on your mode of carry.

I've held a few P200SK's and they just feel weird in my hand. With the factory extension I cannot get all three fingers on the grip. Plus the gun feels top heavy with the stubby grip.

The 27 is a very nice sized gun and feels great in my hands with or without magazine extensions. Without extensions my little finger just curls under the magazine, with all three fingers fit on the grip.

Eyesac
October 26, 2007, 08:33 PM
Another vote for the 27. I used to have a 23, got a CCW and traded it for a 27. I know the size difference is not that big, but I'm a skinny guy and the 27 just hides a lot better on me. Also, I use the pinky extension on all my mags and the gun fits quite well in MY hand.

As far as ammo, try a box of everything and see what you like, but I carry 180g Gold dots. I feel like out of the short barrels (lower velocity) I want a heavier round, could be someone else has a better reason for low weight, but thats what I think.

10-Ring
October 27, 2007, 01:59 AM
I prefer the ergos of the P2000sk over the Glocks you mentioned.

contactcole
October 28, 2007, 06:36 PM
For carry only, Glock 27. However, if shooting proficiency is a concern Glock 23. The .40 load has greater felt recoil in the abbreviated G27 grip, pinky extension or not. For an all-around Glock .40, I think the G23 is the ideal option.

When comparing the two, try shooting full-power defensive loads and you'll notice a difference where the full grip of the G23 has a clear edge. With powder-puff practice loads it's less noticable.

I've owned two G23 (Gen2 and Gen3) and one G27 (Gen3). Shot them extensively. Loved to CARRY the G27, far prefer to SHOOT the G23. Got a 9mm conversion barrel for my G23 for the range (cheap 9mm, yay!) and I'm very pleased (.40 for carry/HD).

I owned a HKUSP40c for many years. I tried and tried to become truly proficent with it by my standards. It's by far a better made gun (than the Glock) in fit and finish. I really liked that gun... more than my Glock 23.

That being said, I traded it on my latest G23 and don't regret it. I just plain shoot the Glock 23 far better and I could not get around that despite how I felt about (liking) the UPS40c. For me, the USP DA trigger pull sucks, the SA only somewhat better and the LEM is only slightly better still AND the LEM leaves the hammer spring under full tension all the time.

With a G17 as my high-volume range plinker, I'm most confident with Glock and wanted to stay with the same system. This makes an easy transition to the G23. So, no post-trade regret.

comeandtakeit
October 28, 2007, 07:14 PM
I had 2 SK's and a P2000. I had them for about 2 years. I sold them all for Glocks for a few different reasons. The first was the lack of parts and accessories. Second the cost of magazines. Last was the complete lack of customer support from HK. I had several problems with both SK's one was a trigger problem the other was a barrel problem. They didn't even have parts to fix the gun. They said it could take months to get the parts they need. I waited almost a year to get flat baseplates for both the P2000 and SK. I eventually got fed up and went back to Glock. The funny part is when I brought them home one of the 27's I just bought broke when I field stripped it for the first time. But I took it to a local gunstore and they fixed in five minutes. If it was an HK I would have had to pay $40 to ship the gun and hopfully they would have the parts to fix it. It would be at least a 2 week wait. Don't get me wrong the HK's were sweet guns but they weren't worth the headaches.

Autolycus
October 28, 2007, 07:19 PM
I have an HK P2000 and HK P2000sk. I prefer both of them over Glocks. I would suggest checking the P2000 if you like the GLock 23. I am also happy to report that HKs customer service has improved very much as of late.

jlficken
October 29, 2007, 01:58 PM
I haven't shot the other two but I just bought a G23 and REALLY like it. I am changing from carrying my Kimber Ultra CDP II to the G23 as soon as my Milt Sparks VMII comes in. The height between the G23 and the CDP is the same (within 1/8") and I conceal the CDP just fine. Having not shot a G27 I can't compare recoil to the G23 but the G23 is pretty snappy comprared to the CDP using comparably hot loads. I am going with the G23 so that I can carry a G22 magazine as a spare and have also found that getting the mag full on my G30, G23, and G21 doesn't allow the magazine to seat so you lose 1 round of capacity out of the magazine in the gun. I also shoot the Glock just as well if not better than the CDP.

strat81
October 29, 2007, 07:16 PM
have also found that getting the mag full on my G30, G23, and G21 doesn't allow the magazine to seat so you lose 1 round of capacity out of the magazine in the gun.
Fill the mag then slam it in. Rack the slide and you're set. Or, lock the slide back, insert the mag, then release the slide. Glock mags (like many others) can be stiff when new. Let them sit for a week or two fully charged, that should loosen them up enough.

FireArmFan
October 30, 2007, 01:56 AM
I own a P2000 in .40S&W (not the sk). I've got about 800 rounds through it with no malfunctions of any kind. It's accurate and comfortable(for my hand at least). I haven't had any problems yet so I can't say anything about HK's customer service. Magazine's are pretty expensive compared to some other guns. To be honest the main reason I bought it was because it's super ambidextrious and i'm left handed, otherwise I probably would have went with something else. That said so far I'm very pleased with it and don't regret purchasing it.

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