Feds charge individual w/ having LEO-only mag


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Kharn
July 15, 2003, 08:19 AM
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=56970&ran=23876

False ID documents bring prison sentence
By MICHELLE WASHINGTON, The Virginian-Pilot
© July 15, 2003 | Last updated 9:33 PM Jul. 14

NORFOLK -- A Chesapeake resident who had been investigated by federal agents for having several false identification documents was sentenced Monday to 15 months in prison on a weapon charge and for using a fake Social Security number.

Mohammed A. Samarah, originally from Jordan, came to the attention of the region's Joint Terrorism Task Force after an auto mechanic found identifications with different names but the same photograph in March 2002. The mechanic called the FBI.

Samarah was arrested earlier this year after agents searched his home, business and safety-deposit boxes and found blank college diplomas, blank templates for Jordanian birth certificates and blank letterhead from colleges and banks.

In addition to having a false Social Security number, Samarah was charged with having an oversized gun magazine labeled ``for law-enforcement use only.''

No evidence has linked Samarah, 42, to terrorist groups.



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Samarah became a U.S. citizen in 1998. He lives in Chesapeake and owns a small grocery store in Newport News.

In U.S. District Court, lawyers argued over how much Samarah had cooperated with government investigators after pleading guilty to the two charges.

J. Brian Donnelly, Samarah's lawyer, said his client submitted to three days of debriefing by FBI agents.

In his closing argument, federal prosecutor Joseph E. DePadilla said Samarah told the truth only when confronted with evidence that exposed previous statements as lies.

``Each step of the way he has thwarted the truth,'' DePadilla said.

Donnelly argued that Samarah's case reaped extra attention because his charges came soon after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in New York City.

``You would expect state agents to conduct a search for false documents,'' Donnelly said outside court, not federal task force officers.

DePadilla said the terrorist attacks did bring false documents to the foreground of criminal investigations.

``It's just a national push,'' DePadilla said. ``It was no big deal for a long time, and now it is. . . . It's just too easy to move around the country if you have false documents.''

Samarah's wife lost her job with the city of Norfolk after her husband's arrest because she was no longer allowed access to computers, Donnelly told U.S. District Judge Jerome B. Friedman. With her husband's conviction, his store will lose its licenses for liquor, lottery tickets and food stamps, Donnelly said. The woman is working to get those licenses in her own name.

Samarah also was convicted in Chesapeake of eight forgery charges related to his use of a false driver's license. He is scheduled to be sentenced on those charges on Aug. 15.

Reach Michelle Washington at 446-2287 or michelle.washington@pilotonline.com

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Well, somebody finally got charged with having an LEO-only magazine. Maybe the feds will stick with the charge instead of plea-bargaining it (but this guy definitely doesnt sound like a remotely good 2A test case).

Kharn

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GSB
July 15, 2003, 08:31 AM
charged with having an oversized gun magazine

"Oversized" gun magazine? Is such a thing even possible?

Kharn
July 15, 2003, 08:40 AM
GSB:
I think its oversize when even Skunkabilly doesnt want one, or you need a forklift to move it around, whichever is bigger. But I'm not 100% sure on that.

Kharn

GSB
July 15, 2003, 08:50 AM
I think its oversize when even Skunkabilly doesnt want one

:D

dojpros1998
July 15, 2003, 12:57 PM
The title of the thread makes it seem like the leo mag charge was the lead charge. Clearly the false ID charge was of the most concern and the leo mag charge was an afterthought.

Kharn
July 15, 2003, 01:43 PM
dojpros1998:
I created the thread title to better reflect what people on the board would be interested in, the original title of the news article is "False ID documents bring prison sentence".

Kharn

Nightfall
July 15, 2003, 01:49 PM
charged with having an oversized gun magazine labeled ``for law-enforcement use only.''

What's the worry? If it's oversized, he won't be able to fit it into the gun. :p

seeker_two
July 15, 2003, 06:16 PM
I think its oversize when even Skunkabilly doesnt want one

Is there such a creature?...:scrutiny:

4v50 Gary
July 15, 2003, 06:21 PM
Bunch of phony ID (and what ex-high school kid amongst us didn't have fake ID so we could buy beer & booze) and all they nailed this guy for was a magazine? Talk about desperate.

Bigjake
July 15, 2003, 06:53 PM
as a recent stupid highschool kid, i'd like to state that at no time did i have birth certificates from other countrys or fake college and bank letterheads, them aint needed to buy the booze in these parts, soooo.....why does he need them, hes plenty old to buy beer legaly :scrutiny:

willyjixx
July 15, 2003, 07:03 PM
kinda oversized tryin to cram a double stack .40 in your .380?


now if its an LEO mag made before 94 is it still wrong? or did the labeling of such start after the ban?

Standing Wolf
July 15, 2003, 08:06 PM
Sounds like an Islamic terrorist savage to me. Deport him the day he's released from prison.

Erik
July 15, 2003, 10:00 PM
"Deport him..."

He is a USC. (And reversing that is all but nigh impossible.)

GSB
July 16, 2003, 08:26 AM
now if its an LEO mag made before 94 is it still wrong? or did the labeling of such start after the ban?

My understanding is that it started after the ban. Prior to that, there was no concept of "LEO only" mags, AFAIK. However, I'm endlessly shocked at the number of times I think I know something like this and then somebody comes along and finds some subparagraph of some addendum to some rider to some amendment that completely contradicts the "common understanding" of the law.

Art Eatman
July 16, 2003, 10:23 AM
Gary, take note of this part of the deal: "Samarah also was convicted in Chesapeake of eight forgery charges related to his use of a false driver's license." That ain't quite like our cheatin' on booze-buyin'. :D You ever been stuck with a bad check?

SAFIK, after the "more than ten rounds" magazine ban, some--if not all--manufacturers started putting "Law Enforcement Only" or some such on the "high capacity" magazines. Serial numbers? Dunno. Anyhow, post-ban high-caps are identifiable...

Art

Navy joe
July 16, 2003, 12:32 PM
None of those were the lead charges, it all stemmed from a brandishing and threat incident after police would not come remove some troublemakers from his store parking lot. He apparently was/is a little hot-headed and called police a lot about loiterers and such, in this instance he went outside waving the gun and threatening folks. The gun was I think an H&K USP45 and the mag in question was 12 rounds or something. Apparently he bought the mag with the gun in a legal private sale. Said he didn't know about the mag law. I believe this because 95% of the GSC's around here don't know about the mag law. I think the gun charge stinks, but the law needs to get to the bottom of why so many documents and who was getting them.

Hkmp5sd
July 16, 2003, 04:12 PM
I think its oversize when even Skunkabilly doesnt want one

I didn't think such a thing existed.

A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of the enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was manufactured or imported after the effective date of this subsection, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulation prescribe.

Skunkabilly
July 16, 2003, 04:33 PM
http://www.birdman.org/images/uzimagbig.jpg

Like my 300 rd Uzi mag?

Art Eatman
July 16, 2003, 07:24 PM
Skunky, m'lad, this planet not only contains guns and tactical gear and banjos, it has these wonderful creatures called "women".

The investigation thereof is highly recommended...

:), Art

4v50 Gary
July 16, 2003, 07:36 PM
Be warned Skunky m' lad. Women look at men's loot and convert them into "romantic" suppers, cruises and new furniture or clothes. Buh-bye to your 300 round magazine. BTW, I don't think it's practical. A drum would work better.

Nightfall
July 17, 2003, 12:44 AM
300 rd mag? Youch! Sore loading thumbs! :D

seeker_two
July 17, 2003, 05:36 AM
Skunky: Is that a 300-round magazine in your pocket, or are you just glad to see us...:evil:

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