12 gauge Saiga/ Your thoughts PLEASE


October 31, 2007, 08:03 AM
I have to say that I really like the 12 gauge semi-auto model. Does anyone have one of these and that they can give their opinion on how it functions? Is it worth the money to purchase one and how does it perform????


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Dave McCracken
October 31, 2007, 09:32 AM
Thre search function is your friend. Saigas have been a popular subject here and there's plenty of info in the archives.

October 31, 2007, 09:37 AM
I've got one.

It works like an AK. Meaning dead reliable and tough as nails. Barrel is chrome lined and thick enough you can put 200 rounds through it quickly and still be able to grab it and not get burned.

It has a gas valve on the gas tube to allow you to shoot heavy loads, and 3inch shells without issue, and then a secondary setting for lighter loads etc. Comes standard with a bolt hold open, but even if you find one that doesn't Black Jack Buffers makes a great replacement notched safety lever that works as a bolt hold open.

Most now come with a threaded barrel and there is a choke kit available for it, or you can just spend 100 bucks and buy a poly choke for it that screws right on. There are a bunch of after market flash hiders and brakes too if you just like shooting it open cylinder.

I've modded mine to have a pistol grip and standard AK stock (eventually I will have an ACE folder on it). Saigas for the most part take any standard AK scope mounts, butt stocks and pistol grips. They have a different front end but there is a guy Dinzag, who makes a special adapter so that you could use standard AK hand guards if you wanted.

It is my home defense weapon that is for sure.

As for shooting clays etc, with a 19 inch barrel and a bead on the gas tube instead of the end of the barrel like an 870 etc it makes shooting clays a bit different in that you have to sight the shot gun entirely different from other shotguns. It takes some getting used to. I didn't buy it for trap shooting etc but it will do it if you don't have another shotgun.

The recoil isn't bad at all because it is semi-automatic. But the nice thing is one can get a limb saver slip on recoil reducer if you leave it stock or if you are using an AK buttstock you can use a grenade launcher recoil pad. Either way the gun with a recoil pad kicks so lightly that it is comfortable for most people.

You can bumpfire it just as easy as any other AK clone out there. There are 20 round drums out for it and an number of different sized mags. Also a mag well is coming out so that the mags can be inserted and released much more like an AR instead of the rock and lock AK style.

Things to look out for are making sure you have the correct foreign part count if you convert it. And also polishing the under side of the bolt and the trigger to help it cycle more efficiently with lower brass and low power shells.

All in all it is easily the best bang for your buck if you want a semi-auto shotgun for under 500 bucks.

October 31, 2007, 10:15 AM
Agreed...I love mine - all of 'em!

I will add that the BJB safety lever puts a receiver swipe in a different location than the factory lever.

Check out this Saiga-12 Variants page on my site for some cool pics of different flavors they can be modded to-->http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_12/saiga_12_var.html

October 31, 2007, 06:51 PM
hey dinzag my saiga wizard friend. Got your bullet guide in my rifle.

You will not find a gun with more devoted fanatics. The only thing is you have to shoot shells with some oomph to them. Other than that it goes bang everytime.

chris in va
November 1, 2007, 01:37 AM
How would you guys rate the recoil on the 12? Also you did say it can accept chokes, right?

November 1, 2007, 02:10 AM
The recoil is slim to non esp. for a 12ga. mine is one of my favorite firearms I own next to my M1A

November 1, 2007, 07:46 AM
Recoil is very mild. My wife & 12 year old nephew can handle the S12 just fine & they're each about 110 lbs. Even bump firing from the hip.

Chokes...if you have a factory threaded model there are factory external chokes or you can have them set up for win & rem chokes. Poly choke also makes a model now for the Saiga.

November 1, 2007, 07:56 AM
Also as far a what you feed it, I opened the gas ports in mine and it will run pretty much anything. Since they were originally designed to be a combat shotgun, they are set up to run stronger loads.

Since the gas system is adjustable, it should be tuned for light loads on #2 and all heavy / magnum loads on #1. If you notice some pounding on the rear trunnion from running on the wrong gas setting, just put a recoil buffer in it.

November 1, 2007, 08:25 AM
Poly choke also makes a model now for the Saiga.

Awesome! Switch the mag, adjust the choke, ready to go.

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