Why no love for the Baby Eagle?


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bimmerboy
October 31, 2007, 10:06 PM
I handled a Baby Eagle the other day in 9mm, full size. It felt really nice. And the price was even nicer as $475. This was the metal framed version.

Why don't we ever hear anything about this pistol? Poor marketing? I'd much rather be shooting one of these than the Springfield XD. But the XD is in your face with every page turn of a magazine.

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Chrome
October 31, 2007, 10:08 PM
It's a CZ75 pattern pistol. Hard to buy one when you can buy an original for $400.

Later,
Chrome...

trueblue1776
October 31, 2007, 10:10 PM
Baby eagles are great, CZ with full dust-cover! Boo-ya!

The Lone Haranguer
October 31, 2007, 10:22 PM
Much too big for my hands -- the trigger reach is much too long. And with its slide-mounted safety there is no option of cocked and locked, which draws the trigger back for single-action fire and reduces the reach. Sorry, not when PCRs and P-01s are under five bills.

Autolycus
October 31, 2007, 10:51 PM
Are there any real differences between the CZ and this gun? Can anyone explain them as they look like a good pistol.

The Lone Haranguer
October 31, 2007, 10:55 PM
The slide mounted safety is the only major difference.

MachIVshooter
October 31, 2007, 11:16 PM
Much too big for my hands -- the trigger reach is much too long.

:confused:
They have a smaller grip circumference than the CZ.

Are there any real differences between the CZ and this gun? Can anyone explain them as they look like a good pistol.

-Slide mounted decock/safety
-full length frame
-Polygonal rifling (it was out for about 2 years, but back now)
-Squared trigger gaurd

The BE is made by Tanfoglio of Italy, Assembled and finished by IWI or Israel and then Marketed by Magnum Research.


The Baby Eagle is a very well made pistol, and very accurate in my experience. My full size 9mm has nearly 16,000 rounds through it with fewer jams than I have fingers.

The Lone Haranguer
October 31, 2007, 11:29 PM
They have a smaller grip circumference than the CZ.


Apparently not small enough. ;) The trigger is set pretty far forward, too, which I think is part of the problem. With a normal shooting grip I could barely reach it with the tip of my finger. The P-01 and PCR, once the initial slack is taken up, feel much better but are still borderline. I would like to borrow or rent one to shoot.

Not saying they are bad guns, not at all, but if they don't fit, they don't fit. :cool:

JHansenAK47
November 1, 2007, 01:13 AM
Another thing to notice is if you rack the slide you pretty much have to grab it by the rear sight. Which by itself isn't a problem except that's exactly where the slide mounted safety is and if your not paying attention you rack it on safe. Which is a problem if you have to clear a jam really fast for SD. Other than that they use the witness mags which can be hit or miss but then again you could get mecgars. If you find an older pistol they have frame mounted safeties. They are good pistols I just can't stand the safety with the internal rails there is not much to grab onto and I could easily sweep the safety. Just so you know cz mags don't work in this pistol but some of the baby eagle mags fit CZs. I know for a fact the 9mm 15 rd mags fit and cycle my SP-01.

enderle01
November 1, 2007, 03:49 AM
I just wanted to share some love for the Baby Eagle. I have a full size all metal frame in .40S&W and it is great. It is a natural pointer, has a great finish to it and has been very reliable. One thing with the Baby eagle is....as with many guns that have tight frame to slide connection, it does take some break in period. When i first got it, first hundred rounds or so, i had several jams.......but in the last couple hundred 0 and it is just a gorgeous gun on top of that.

MustangHowie
November 1, 2007, 08:59 AM
I bought the CZ75b because of all the hype, and it is a pretty good gun. My wife bought the Baby Eagle .40 S&W to go with her (yes her) Desert Eagle .44mag. I liked her Baby Eagle so much I had to have one for my 9mm collection, and I like it a lot more than the CZ.

Vito_Corleone
November 1, 2007, 11:52 PM
They're cool looking. I'll be getting one eventually.

nwilliams
November 2, 2007, 12:36 AM
I had one of the compact Baby Eagles with the polymer frame many years ago and I really miss it. I don't like it as much as the full size Jericho but it was still pretty nice.

IMO the Jericho is one of the most attractive handguns of all time, just very clean and simple ergonomics, no frills or fancy bells and whistles. Its also one of the most comfortable guns I've ever held. Of course I'm speaking of the standard Jericho with metal frame, not the model I had.

Damn now I want one:banghead:

ArchAngelCD
November 2, 2007, 04:00 AM
Why no love for the Baby Eagle?
The full size 9mm weighs 38.6 oz.
Some weigh less but you mentioned the full size 9mm.
I guess my answer is, THEY ARE HEAVY GUNS! That 9mm weighs as much as a 4" S&W M686 .357 Magnum.

D-Man
November 2, 2007, 09:47 AM
The full size 9mm weighs 38.6 oz. Some weigh less but you mentioned the full size 9mm. I guess my answer is, THEY ARE HEAVY GUNS! That 9mm weighs as much as a 4" S&W M686 .357 Magnum.

That was one of the things that I liked the most about my Baby Eagle. For range shooting (and in 9MM), it handled very smoothly. I did sell mine, though it was no fault of the gun itself. I just wanted something "better" (i.e more expensive), and picked up a Sig P226ST. It's slightly heavier!

ArchAngelCD
November 2, 2007, 12:52 PM
D-Man,
I didn't say it's a bad thing only that it might be the reason it didn't catch on and sell like some of the other newer models released within the past few years. In my post I mentioned a 4" M686, that's because I shoot that revolver and also like the weight for stability at the range.

Most who buy a 9mm want to carry it and not many want to carry a heavy pistol all day long. I wouldn't want to carry my 4" revolver all day.

esq_stu
November 2, 2007, 01:11 PM
Too heavy as a carry gun. I had a Jericho compact 9mm and a .45. I used the a .45 in competition and did really well. Both were very accurate and reliable. Due to the weight, recoil of the .45 was negligible.

The fact that they are pretty is not a factor to me. I prefer ugly but effective. When it's concealed, nobody sees it.

I don't care to own anything that I would not carry and I am not into carrying a lot of weight on my belt.

o/u mike
November 2, 2007, 01:30 PM
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hexidismal
November 2, 2007, 03:16 PM
I'm not sure why there isn't more love for the BE. I've wondered that myself. I have a semi compact .40 in brushed chrome, and it's an outstanding pistol. It is heavy, thats true, but it's built like a tank. It's not one of my few favorites in my collection , but that's only because it's not a 1911 or a S&W wheelgun which are my preferences. As far as a double action auto though, I consider it the best one I own by far. It may be a CZ type clone, but it feels different in the hand, and has a few additional features. The one thing I really wish it had though , was the CZ frame mounted manual safety .. I'm not a decocker fan. The double action pull is heavy, but the single action is just about the best I've ever felt in a double-action auto. And that's saying a lot. I wouldn't want to carry it, but it makes a truly impressive range gun.

Would you believe I got this test fired only factory demo for about $400 after taxes ? :D Easily one of the best deals I've ever found. I have no plans to ever sell this one.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j110/hexidismal29/babyeagle1.jpg

Deacon Blues
November 2, 2007, 06:23 PM
I think the BE is generally overshadowed by the CZ-75, from which it descended. You can generally find a better price on the CZ than the BE, you have more options on magazines, and the safety or decocker is on the frame (a deal-breaker for me). In any case, it's a fine pistol and I think a lot of people who like Sigs and CZs would also be quite at home with the BE.

ktd
November 3, 2007, 12:07 PM
I think one of the problems was not having a consistent distributor. They had Jericho, then UZI Eagle, and IMI. My guess is that IMI considers them a secondary product to the Desert Eagle. On the other hand, I have started to notice them showing up more and more in movies and tv, so maybe they will get more popular.

Why some people really like them:
They look cool
They are steel frame (hard to find nowadays)
Contrary to what some have said in this post, they have been available with a frame mounted sear locking safety
They have a different feel to the grip that some like
They can be pretty cheap

Why some people do not like them
They look weird
They are steel frame (very heavy)
Most commonly seen with a decocker
Have a different feel to the grip that some dislike
Is $75 more than a CZ (according to some)

also, the slide is hard to grasp, and like a lot of slide mounts, there is a tendency put the safety on when you rack it.

thebaldguy
November 3, 2007, 09:11 PM
To be honest, I haven't seen many Baby Eagle pistols around. Rarely have I seen one at a gun shop or show.

armoredman
November 3, 2007, 11:28 PM
You could look over at czforum.com in the Clone Club, lotsa love for the CZ clones. BE is a good solid sidearm.

Autolycus
November 4, 2007, 12:09 AM
I have checked them out at the local shop. They are nice guns but a little on the heavy side. I dont know about carrying it but it looks like it would be a good shooter.

Thernlund
November 4, 2007, 01:15 AM
I absolutely love my Jericho (the BE before it was the BE). Awsome pistol.


-T.

JP from Phoenix
November 4, 2007, 01:22 AM
Seems like every shop i go to has the big desert eagle but never has the baby eagles, I'd get one if i saw one at a shop at a good price especially one of the brushed chrome ones those are bad

WeedWhacker
November 4, 2007, 08:59 AM
I really wanted the Baby Eagle to be my favorite, but about the only thing I can say it has over the CZ-75B is a _slightly_ better factory trigger when comparing only one of each model. Well, two: it looks cooler than the CZ-75.

The CZ-75B has:

- better standard sights
- (for me) better balance; recoil does not fatigue my wrist nearly as fast
- factory magazines which hold 16 rounds vs 15
- frame-mounted safety, for carrying cocked-and-locked
- frame-mounted safety, for more and better slide gripping options
- a wider selection of accessories
- a better price

The Baby Eagle is still a very fine firearm, no doubt about that. I just prefer the CZ-75B.

Autolycus
November 4, 2007, 01:15 PM
Are the 16 round mags useable in the CZ75B?

32winspl
November 4, 2007, 04:02 PM
About 13 years ago, I bought an IMI Baby Eagle in 40 S&W for my wife. Actually, I bought it for me but thought I could appease her desire to have her own pistol (I had a SA 1911). It wasn't suitable for her as it turned out. As for me, even after thousands of dry-firings, I could never shoot it accurately. Also, I grew to despise the huge hump on the lower backstrap; I also detested the location and operation of the slide mounted safety. Most importantly, the grip angle is all wrong for someone (me) whose primary weapon is a 1911. The grip is also large diameter... not like a coke bottle, but not slim like a 1911.
It's a well made CZ75 (frame at least)-type pistol. I never had any trouble hand-cycling the slide. For me though, there was just no "plus-side" over a 1911 except capacity.
So I sold it and bought her a small Smith 8 shot single column 9mm, which she shoots pretty well. ( She easily outshoots her new lifer-Marine hubby. Good girl.) But I guess that's a different story.
All in all, though very well-made, I didn't/don't like the IMI Baby Eagle.
Robb

col_tapiocca
November 4, 2007, 04:34 PM
Are the 16 round mags useable in the CZ75B?
Yes!

SeanSw
November 4, 2007, 10:15 PM
The slide mounted safety/decocker on the Beagle doesn't bother me. I don't use it. Practice your DA and there won't be a problem making the first shot count.

The pistol is also a good fit for me. I have medium sized hands with a loose fleshy palm that fills the space above the swell at the bottom of the grip. The grip is somewhat smooth, and is only as wide as most double stack 9mm pistols, but it fits my hands nearly like a glove. More texture on the grip or a strip of grip tape at the front and rear would be helpful.

I agree that it does not offer much, if anything, over the various CZ models. Mine was purchased NIB for a price equal to a CZ-75 so I have no complaints. People have spent more money on pistols that were less reliable and accurate than this. As long as you can accept the gun for what it is I fail to see any real weaknesses at all.

These two photos show the relation between the pistol and my hand. If your hands look like this, then maybe it's the gun for you :cool:

http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/696/696798f9d1cd909ffb6b2075e586119953f646.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=696798&showlnk=0)

http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/696/69679701a41f076f2089aba1616f31fcf79de1.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=696797&showlnk=0)

skinewmexico
November 4, 2007, 11:45 PM
Hey, I love the gold plated Baby Eagle. If I ever become a gang-banger............

BReilley
November 5, 2007, 07:12 PM
The only complaints I have about Baby Eagles have already been mentioned... I hate slide-mounted safeties, and the super-smooth slide with its trapezoidal cross-section is really hard to grip with sweaty hands.

Otherwise, it's still a pretty good value and looks cool.

wally
November 5, 2007, 07:15 PM
The slide mounted safety is the only major difference.

Which is a showstopper for me since I don't like DA/SA guns.

--wally.

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