Cross-racial shootings?


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hankdatank1362
November 1, 2007, 11:30 AM
I was wondering if anyone here could help me out with a paper I have to write. Does anyone have any links to any stories concerning police officers using deadly force on someone of another color, thereby triggering any sort of racial instability in the community? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Kentak
November 1, 2007, 11:34 AM
2001 Cincinnati riots

Just Google that and you'll get plenty of links.

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MachIVshooter
November 1, 2007, 11:37 AM
police officers using deadly force on someone of another color, thereby triggering any sort of racial instability in the community?

Seems to be the case every single time on some level.

trueblue1776
November 1, 2007, 11:37 AM
Uh yeah, pretty much any cop shooting that draws attention was cross racial.

The best ones were:

The groom outside a strip club before his wedding night.
The African immigrant in NYC.
Bunch of border patrol shootings.

Call the Rainbow coalition, they would be happy to fill you in on why whitey shoots blackie. If you do, try to post the highlights, as most of us find JJ and Al to be hilarious.

Deanimator
November 1, 2007, 12:45 PM
Check out the Chicago Tribune and Sun Times websites. There have been a number of police shootings in recent months.

In Chicago these shootings are complicated by a number of issues:

1. Community "activists" portray ANY police shooting as wrongful, regardless of the circumstances. Stories by suspects and their families which a five year old should sneer at are taken at face value.

2. The Chicago Police Department has such an ABYSMAL record of violent crime, misconduct and lying to the public that ANY statements by police are [rightfully] viewed with skepticism. This leads to nonsense tales by criminals being taken seriously where they never ought to.

The result is a death spiral induced by liars who mindlessly support or condemn the police, totally divorced from truth and reality.

In Chicago, it's not the good guys vs. the bad guys. It's the bad guys vs. the worse guys. It's up to the individual to judge for himself which is which.

crazed_ss
November 1, 2007, 03:43 PM
Well, it wasnt a shooting, but I'm sure everyone remembers Rodney King's beatdown at the hands of LA's finest.

KBintheSLC
November 1, 2007, 04:01 PM
Deanimator...

Cleverly put.

sterling180
November 1, 2007, 04:11 PM
Well,I've read an article from the Socialist Worker's paper about the infamous Special Patrol Group department,of the Greater London Metropolitan Police deapartment,detailing Blair Peach's supposed murder,by cops from this department in 1977 and from incidents in 1981,during the Brixton riots and in 1985,when one black womans front door was smashed in with a sledgehammer and she was shot in the back and cripped,by an SPG cops .38 revolver.This was possibly in revenge for the death of PC Keith Blakelock who was stabbed to death in 1985,during the Broadwater Farm riots,in Tottenham,North London.The woman was suspected of shielding the identity of Blakelock's murderer/s and so the heavy-mob went over,to teach her a lesson-although they or he,have never been caught-so although the case is over 22 years old,it's still open.

The death of Blair Peach,was caused presumably by pickaxe handles,baseball bats and sledgehammers and one or this particular operation was nicknamed 'Operation n*gger hunt' or something similar.Some cops were linked to neo-Nazi organizations such as the National Front and Nazi materials were found at these cops homes,during a search.

Just think those incidents happend in the 70s and 80s and these incidents rarely happen now.A world away from the modern Britain.

I'll see if I can find the link,linking these events to the relevant articles.
Ah,well here's one about Blair Peach's demise in the Southall riots,in 1977.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=393

Deanimator
November 1, 2007, 04:33 PM
The death of Blair Peach,was caused presumably by pickaxe handles,baseball bats and sledgehammers and one or this particular operation was nicknamed 'Operation n*gger hunt' or something similar.Some cops were linked to neo-Nazi organizations such as the National Front and Nazi materials were found at these cops homes,during a search.

Talk about your coincidences!

I remember hearing a US National Public Radio segment in the late '80s or early '90s about racially motivated violence in the UK. One of the incidents cited, lined up almost EXACTLY with your quote above. The only real difference was the lack of a police tie-in...

sterling180
November 1, 2007, 05:26 PM
Talk about your coincidences!

I remember hearing a US National Public Radio segment in the late '80s or early '90s about racially motivated violence in the UK. One of the incidents cited, lined up almost EXACTLY with your quote above. The only real difference was the lack of a police tie-in...
Yes,well unfortunately these terrible events,were a result of genuine racists in the force,as the screening proceedures to weed them out,weren't really around then and also the 'old-school' cops(Not racist,but harsh in disciplinary methods and enforcement values.),believed most black males and youths to be trouble makers anyway and so when you have this combination of personality types,in a police department or in the force in general-it can be quite explosive.

Deanimator
November 1, 2007, 05:59 PM
Yes,well unfortunately these terrible events,were a result of genuine racists in the force,as the screening proceedures to weed them out,weren't really around then and also the 'old-school' cops(Not racist,but harsh in disciplinary methods and enforcement values.),believed most black males and youths to be trouble makers anyway and so when you have this combination of personality types,in a police department or in the force in general-it can be quite explosive.
Last year(?) a couple of Cleveland, OH cops started a racially motivated bar fight. They were charged and tried for a variety of offenses. One (who was cold-cocked by the victim in seconds) was convicted of a minor offense. The other was acquitted. Both are... pursuing other opportunities... other than law enforcement, after being fired.

I remember noting at the time that you NEVER hear about the sort of racially motivated home invasions described in the NPR story in the US, simply because the perpetrators would get shot to doll rags.

P5 Guy
November 1, 2007, 10:17 PM
Tyron Lewis in St Petersberg shot dead in a stolen car by a white officer. Both the incedent and the "wrong" out come after the investigation caused riots. Henry Cisernos (sp?) promised millions of Uncle Sam's dollars to make things right. As far as I know the money never got to St Pete.

hankdatank1362
November 2, 2007, 12:21 AM
Thanks everyone for your help. I want to not only write aboput all the actual wrongs commited by actual racist LEOs, but also officers that were scrutinized by the media, yet vindicated in their actions.

Keep 'em comin', if ya got more! Thanx again!

mp510
November 2, 2007, 01:56 AM
After just about any police shooting in Hartford, when the officer is white and the perp is black, the black community is out in force crying foul. Currentely, one officer, Lawlor, is facing manslaughter charges for shooting a black suspect, whom he claimed used his vehicle as a weapon after he and an ATF agent confronted the vehicle because of a potential gun sighting. The shooting was ruled by the department to be a good shoot, yet the states atty. still went to a grand jury, got an indictment, and a perfectly good cop is being run through the ringer.

Ragnar Danneskjold
November 2, 2007, 03:14 AM
Pretty much any sort of police action involving whites and non-whites is called "racist". Take your pic.

plexreticle
November 2, 2007, 04:38 AM
City of Austin(TX) has had a few dramas over the past ten years involving cross cultural police shootings.

mesomorphcujo
November 3, 2007, 06:32 AM
Yet nobody seems to raise an eyebrow when it's the other way around. HMMM? No protest in front of the courthouse and no candlelight vigils.

230RN
November 3, 2007, 06:57 AM
Interesting sidelight on this?

Since the British Police don't carry firearms, they resort to alternatives...

The death of Blair Peach,was caused presumably by pickaxe handles,baseball bats and sledgehammers...

Do I smell a lesson there?

Indeed, I think I do.

The Annoyed Man
November 3, 2007, 11:45 AM
Well, it wasnt a shooting, but I'm sure everyone remembers Rodney King's beatdown at the hands of LA's finest.Rodney King was from Altadena, California. I was living in Altadena at the time he got his ass whooped. King already had a local reputation as a bad man. What happened with the LAPD is really TWO issues:

1. Why was he stopped in the first place?

2. Why did he get beat like that after he was stopped?

Answers:

1. He was driving in a manner indicating that he was probably intoxicated. (King was a known PCP user.)

2. He got snotty with the cops, and they put him down and cuffed him. For those of you who don't know King, he is a LARGE and physically imposing individual. He refused to comply with police orders, and he kept trying to get up. He was resisting arrest. You resist arrest, don't expect to be treated with kid gloves. He got beat because he was not complying.

Did the cops over-react and beat him too much? Possibly, but the blame for that lays squarely on King's shoulders for steadfastly and physically refusing to comply with their orders after he was under arrest. If he had acted reasonably, he would have most likely been treated reasonably. He made his bed, and then he didn't want to sleep in it.

Also, where King got stopped, it is a semi-rural area.

http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/rodneyking/:The truth of the matter about the Rodney King beating is that even though to most people it's symbolic of this police brutality, it is a very atypical incident.

Rodney King had done all of these things before the videotape. He'd resisted the officers, he'd charged the officers, he'd thrown four officers off his back, he'd been shot twice with a stun gun, which keeps most people down. 50,000 volts of electricity each time, it didn't keep him down. This was a case where a great effort was made to take Rodney King into custody without hurting him, believe it or not.

There are many other instances where people were injured or in some cases killed in encounters with police where shots were fired or the baton was used or other things were done with very little provocation.

If you look at what had happened in the years before the King incident, the number of lawsuits against the city was steadily mounting.

Most of these cases had been settled out of court because the city attorney would look at these cases and say, "Hey, if this goes to court there's going to be huge damages." So I think that had it not been Rodney King, there would've been some other incident that would have come along, and somebody else would have had a camcorder. And maybe it would have developed differently but we would have had some incident.

In the book you describe the King video as Rashomon: a story that has multiple sides and no single clear narrative. More specifically, there are segments of that tape that, though it was shown around the world, most people never saw. What was the significance of the omissions?

The videotape that was broadcast around the world and that most people have seen is 68 seconds in length.

The actual King incident is 81 seconds long. he took the tape to KTLA. after the police showed no interest. First, by the way, he called CNN and CNN at that time did not have any phone on in the middle of the night. They do have now, they've got round the clock service because of that incident. And then he called KTLA and he took it in. And the KTLA people gave the tape unedited to the police department because they wanted to make sure that it was authentic, and the police confirmed it. And then they put on in their newscast 68 seconds of this 81 seconds. The first 3 seconds are critical because they show Mr. King lunging in the direction of Officer Laurence Powell, who then responds with this baton blow.

Holliday moved his camera slightly after these first three seconds, trying to get a better look at what was going on. So the next 10 seconds are blurry. And what the television station did was just take out the first 13 seconds.

And in doing so sacrificed meaning to clarity, so the viewer just sees these police wailing away at King for apparently no reason.

The significance of these first three seconds are not that they make the videotape look nice.

It's brutal in any version, but the first three seconds that were omitted by the television station are a window into all of the things that have happened before the videotape begins. So what the viewer is seeing is a partial record of a partial record. [The King incident began with a 7.8 mile car chase conducted by California Highway Patrol officers, one of whom drew a gun on King before the LAPD took over.]It was L.A.'s news media that made it into a race thing. If I recall correctly, what often gets left out of the story is that one of the officers on the scene is a black man. Although he did not participate in the beating, neither did he make any effort to stop it. Certainly, the LAPD had a record at the time of brutality, but even a broken clock is a right twice a day. In this particular case, the preponderance of the blame for the beating AND all of the fallout that erupted because of it lies on Rodney King's shoulders.

jlday70
November 3, 2007, 12:27 PM
Just happened in the Norfolk area..didn't incite riots but of course one of the first things said is the perp was shot only because he was black, not because umm maybe shooting at the cops is a bad thing...

tbtrout
November 3, 2007, 12:33 PM
Check for any NYPD shooting or look up Al Sharpton and it will probably give all causes he has been involved in. Quite a few involve shootings.

rtroha
November 3, 2007, 01:02 PM
The Brandon McCloud shooting caused a huge controversy which led to at least three investigations by the county coroner, the FBI and a retired judge. Plus the usual demonstrations and even now is still in the news because the two officers involved are suing the City of Cleveland while they are being sued by McCloud's family.

Here a two-part article about it:

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/14/41/suspect-down-officers-involved

Deanimator
November 3, 2007, 02:53 PM
The Brandon McCloud shooting caused a huge controversy which led to at least three investigations by the county coroner, the FBI and a retired judge. Plus the usual demonstrations and even now is still in the news because the two officers involved are suing the City of Cleveland while they are being sued by McCloud's family.
They're beating the proverbial dead horse.

I'm so critical of police, I sometimes make Al Sharpton sound like Shawn Hannity, but I don't see it.

If you're listing ways to AVOID being shot by the police, you SHOULDN'T include "jumping out of a closet at police, clutching a knife". Of course "DON"T BE AN ARMED ROBBER" should be right at the top of the list.

Unlike Patrick Dorismond or Michael Pleasance, McCloud wasn't the victim of police misconduct. He was the victim of his own stupidity.

trueblue1776
November 3, 2007, 03:36 PM
http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=1af91cd3-70b1-4902-94f7-86025dd05b0e&rss=217

Here's one from yesterday, no confirmation on whether the undercover deputy was white, but if he's mobile co. there's a good chance.

Highlights include:

"I want to know what happened cause, he ain't never bother nobody. He didn't bother nobody," said Monica Morrisett.

and:

"It was a fully-loaded .40 caliber pistol. The pistol has been identified as having been stolen in a car jacking last month," said Cochran.

Sounds like this guy was on his way to the scout lodge when he was murdered for no reason. :D:D:D:D

sterling180
November 5, 2007, 02:04 PM
Since the British Police don't carry firearms, they resort to alternatives...
WRONG,The Special Patrol Group were licensed to carry Smith and Wesson .38 revolvers and booked them out quite frequently,to use as frighteners,in the guise that they would be sitting ducks,from black gunmen.Detective Sergent/SO19 Sergent Roger Gray,a famous ex-LEO,was a member of the SPG,in the 70s upto about 1986,when it was disbandoed,due to racism(From what I've heard and replaced by another unit.).But coshes and pixaxe handles were used to beat people up,during riots and incidents,not involving guns,such as breaking in and arresting petty crooks.

The Flying Squad or Serious and Organized,nowdays,weren't no different to the SPG in the 70s and 80s,but they got income from being on mobsters payrolls and from the porn trade,in Soho-so they wanted to safeguard their cushy,lucrative-on the side-incomes,but were exposed in 1977 and members were jailed,including the cheif.

LightningJoe
November 5, 2007, 02:11 PM
to use as frighteners


Ah, we are truly separated by a common language.

sterling180
November 5, 2007, 02:18 PM
Ah, we are truly separated by a common language.
Well,in other words,they were used to intimidate people.An expression often used by old-school British crooks, to scare but not harm,anyone.Still these slang expressions,aren't familiar to many here,except for our Australian and New Zealand members.

biscuitninja
November 5, 2007, 02:40 PM
I live in Orange County Ca. near the beach. So if you don't look like the parts they give you the once over. Its ashamed that they do because the police officers are really scaring away the regular people, not the ultra rich bozos...
-bix

sterling180
November 5, 2007, 03:53 PM
I live in Orange County Ca. near the beach. So if you don't look like the parts they give you the once over. Its ashamed that they do because the police officers are really scaring away the regular people, not the ultra rich bozos...
Well,it's sad that they haven't got anything other to do then to harrass innocent people,to bide their time.Coffee shops,diners and doughnut shops are of no interest to them,as they often visit them.Traffic cops are the worst.Not every officer is rotten,but a few can contaminate a barrel,over time.

fiddleharp
November 5, 2007, 04:50 PM
By the way, didn't Rodney King have a passenger who complied with the officers' commands immediately, and got to watch the whole show, cuffed, comfortable, and unbeaten in the back of a patrol car? :rolleyes:
After you finish this paper, why not start another one on the assaults, robberies, carjackings, rapes, and murders committed by Blacks against Whites every day in America, Europe, South Africa, and Zimbabwe?

mrreynolds
November 5, 2007, 06:52 PM
fiddleharp Location: Crackerville, Florida

I as an American of African Descent from Harlem NYC all I can say after reading some of these posts is "We didn't land on Plymouth Rock ...Plymouth Rock landed on us!" I can't believe the rhetoric can we say ships in Africa men with guns, men without guns who robbed & raped whom from day one until ....it's not about racism it's about facts. Take it how you live.

Oh my is that Britney Spears with my Big Dog P Diddy aww that's nothing look at lil Paris Hilton with her head resting on my Big Dog 50 Cent. I think I'll be a whistling Dixie now! PS: No rape charges have been filed as of this post so I got next.

Only in America Baby! "Don King"

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cambeul41
November 5, 2007, 10:37 PM
Try this: http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/070703_police.htm

hankdatank1362
November 5, 2007, 11:07 PM
I appreciate your help Mr. Reynolds, but I don't quite grasp your concept.

Fiddleharp, my paper is dispelling the common myths that police are racist by nature, and in fact they are justified in the vast majority of incidents involving use-of-force aginast people of other color, contrary to what Mr. Sharpton and the media may attempt to lead everyone to believe.

CNYCacher
November 6, 2007, 12:11 AM
Of course "DON"T BE AN ARMED ROBBER" should be right at the top of the list.

Reminds me of a Chris Rock sketch. . . if you google for "How not to get your kicked by the police" i am sure it'll pop up.

mrreynolds
November 6, 2007, 01:26 AM
Simple contact a major tv talk show have them transform you via make up to a black male like Ice Cube did on his show & watch how fast you start grasping NWO.

230RN
November 6, 2007, 02:39 AM
Sterling180 commented on one of my posts,


230RN said,
Since the British Police don't carry firearms, they resort to alternatives...
WRONG,The Special Patrol Group were licensed to carry Smith and Wesson .38 revolvers and booked them out quite frequently...snip...

Perhaps I used an inappropriate incident to highlight the point that, sans firearms, people will use other weapons. If the original report of that incident is incorrect, I apologize on behalf of the reporter thereof.

sterling180
November 6, 2007, 12:42 PM
Perhaps I used an inappropriate incident to highlight the point that, sans firearms, people will use other weapons. If the original report of that incident is incorrect, I apologize on behalf of the reporter thereof.

Okay,I think that I forgot momentarily that you are an a American and you wouldn't know about,half the things that I'm talking about.Well this info on the SPG,is kind of hard to get,because I think that these dirty cops are still being investigated,despite the fact that it was many years ago.Over here though, a pickaxe handle was a firm favourite for many law enforcers and was popularised by the British Army,in Northern Ireland.

trueblue1776
November 6, 2007, 02:56 PM
mrreynolds- NWO? You mean NWA? Just for the record, I have never owned slaves.

Jim K
November 6, 2007, 03:10 PM
I have a very low opinion of the British "armed police" and it has been confirmed by reports by honest and objective police officers.

When those bombings occurred on the underground, it was announced that "armed police" would be deployed on the streets. I stated here and elsewhere, publicly, that I would not want to be anywhere near London as long as those goons were running around with guns. Some people took me to task, reminding me of the "special training" and so on, that the police supposedly had.

The very next day, police shot that Brazilian boy to death. Since he was a foreigner, they couldn't suppress the news and frighten the family into silence, as per usual, and they ended up paying out lots of the rate-payers' pounds.

Jim

sterling180
November 6, 2007, 05:11 PM
I have a very low opinion of the British "armed police" and it has been confirmed by reports by honest and objective police officers
I think that you are right Jim,in saying that you have a low opinion,of them.They now,deliberately recruit anti-gunners as armed cops,because the top brass,think that a responsible gun owner,could be a nutcase or nowdays,that ex-military persons,are too gung-ho-despite the fact that they were originally recruited,when SO19 started in 1990.

All these factors don't help the situation and I agree that they were stupid to have shot De Mendez,so many times,as he wasn't a threat to them at all.I don't think that this was a racially-motivated crime,but one of stupidity and recklessness.They can't trust gun owners,because of those psychos Ryan and Hamilton,yet incidents like this,seem to happen-which is alarming.

De Mendez was stupid to have run from the cops in the first place,but one officer should have been armed with a pepperball gun and should have fired that into De Mendez's head and not a 9mm hollow-point round,from a Glock 17.

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