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RobW
July 15, 2003, 08:51 PM
My program shows since more than 2 weeks nothing else than "bicycling" for that "OLN - Outdoors" channel. On July 4th, 19 HOURS CONSECUTIVE BICYCLING!!!

Where is American Shooter, Fly fishing, Bass fishing, all that stuff real outdoors? Are we a Nation of bicyclers now, watching 10 hours or more for the "Tour de France"?

I'm done with that. They do that seek and hide with Jim Scoutten as good as TNN did it.

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spacemanspiff
July 15, 2003, 08:54 PM
roger that! i sat down last friday thinking i'd be watching some gun shows and instead i wound up watching, well i forget what, but it wasnt gun-related programming!



edit: This post breaks 1000 posts for me! its official! i have no life and i waste my time that i should be working! yaaay! :neener:

JohnKSa
July 15, 2003, 09:25 PM
This has been hashed over pretty good in a couple of threads. A search should find them for more details.

Summary:

Jim Scoutten quit making American Shooter.
Jim Scoutten started making Shooting USA.
OLN has been airing American Shooter reruns, but is phasing them out.
Shooting USA was scheduled to start airing in June on OLN.
Shooting USA is now scheduled to start airing in August OLN.

hksw
July 15, 2003, 10:06 PM
Well, Lance Armstrong. An American rider riding for an American Team in France kicking sore butts. Going for his 5th straight win in the TdF. What's more, the French don't like him because he doesn't suck up to them. Unlike Greg Lemond, an American riding for the French. (back them, of course, France was so-so OK.)

There is, of course, also his riding ability.

DWS1117
July 15, 2003, 10:17 PM
I wasn't aware that OLN was still doing "outdoor" programing. Everytime I turn to that channel I swear it is ESPN 27 or something like that.

I know the the TDF is a bike race held in "outside", but I consider that more a sporting event and as such should be on be on ESPN 2 at like 3am.

10-Ring
July 15, 2003, 10:23 PM
To be going for a 5th straight tour win after overcoming cancer is beyond amazing. Let them give the tour is coveage (it'll be done by August) and all your shows will prollycome back.

DWS1117
July 15, 2003, 11:01 PM
10-Ring

I totally agree with you. What Mr. Armstrong has been able to accomplish is nothing short of miraculous. And I hope that he kick some Frenchy bike butt a 5th time. It just seems that other networks are more suited to the type of programing. Its not like this race is a two or three day event. I guess sponsorship and money help make the choices.

stellarpod
July 16, 2003, 12:14 AM
Ditto hksw, 10-Ring and DWS1117.

Most folks who don't ride have no concept, much less respect for the shear magnitude of accomplishing even a single stage win in the Tour. Imagine running a 26-mile marathon for 20 days straight and you begin to get the idea. Almost.

And for Lance to be going for a 5th consecutive win, after his battle with cancer, it's just incredible. A fine American, riding for an American team and rubbing it in the nose of the French in their own country with their own sporting event.

Can it get any better? :D

stellarpod

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 16, 2003, 01:04 AM
It's more like a 120 mile marathon for 20 days straight. In the heat. Uphill both ways. Dodging obstacles. Lance is sort of a local guy around here; in fact, a local radiation oncology unit is named in his honor. Quite an accomplishment. I salute all fellow cancer survivors, especially since I used to work in the field of oncology.

On a side note, who else has grinned at the fact that Team USA is sponsored by the US Postal Service? I wonder if we could interest him in Mountain Bike Biathlon?

Regards,
Rabbit.

Schuey2002
July 16, 2003, 01:09 AM
Well, Lance Armstrong.
That and the fact that he's wearing the Maillot Jaune! :D
http://niketown.nike.com/img/prod/174406/174406_703_CAT-4.JPG

ed dixon
July 16, 2003, 01:24 AM
Agreed. Lance Armstrong is a phenomenon and a piece of history to be savored. "People say I must be on something. I tell them I am ... my bike."

seeker_two
July 16, 2003, 10:02 AM
Armstrong's accomplishments are impressive, and I do understand the need for coverage of a wide variety of events...:rolleyes:

...but I do miss the shooting shows...:(

Any way we could get him to shoot something during the race?...:D

pytron
July 16, 2003, 03:07 PM
I don't get OLN and I love watching both the TdF and shooting shows. It's probably better for my health though.

Gunfyter
July 16, 2003, 03:17 PM
These guys are incredible athletes. Little or no body fat, eat seven to ten thousand calories a day, brings new meaning to "peddling your a$$ for a livng" :neener:

RustyHammer
July 16, 2003, 03:20 PM
... want shooting!

Alan Smithiee
July 16, 2003, 03:21 PM
oh PLEASE! he rides a Bicycle for a living. he had cancer, he survived with lots of modern medicine. he is NOT someone important.

lots of people these days survive cancer and go on to do important things. where is the mass media coverage about them?

I would love to see him handle a classroom of 3rd graders or work the graveyard shift in a inner city ER or go running into a burning buildings day after day.

THAT would make him important and usefull.

we want shooting sports carried on TV, we want Jim! we want Fishing! we want how to call an Elk. what we don't need is some person driving up the price of sporting equiptment to pay for the huge advertising contract they want.

Justin
July 16, 2003, 06:12 PM
I am not a sports fan by any stretch of the imagination. I watch maybe one football game a year, and couldn't tell you anything about any major sport. In short, I'm completely clueless.

Having said that, even I know who Lance Armstrong is, and realize that he's an absolutely phenomenal athlete who's accomplished things that most people couldn't even think about without getting out of breath.

Armstrong's story is not only amazing, it's inspirational, and to try and talk that down seems pretty silly, IMNHO.

As for no shooting shows, give it time. The TdF is run every year, and will come to an end at which point OLN will go back to their regularly scheduled programming. :)

hksw
July 16, 2003, 06:28 PM
oh PLEASE! he rides a Bicycle for a living. he had cancer, he survived with lots of modern medicine. he is NOT someone important.

lots of people these days survive cancer and go on to do important things. where is the mass media coverage about them?

I would love to see him handle a classroom of 3rd graders or work the graveyard shift in a inner city ER or go running into a burning buildings day after day.

THAT would make him important and usefull.


I guess the same thing can be said for Tom Knapp, Bob Munden, Rob Leatham, Jerry Miculek, etc. What useless slugs.

seeker_two
July 16, 2003, 07:11 PM
I guess the same thing can be said for Tom Knapp, Bob Munden, Rob Leatham, Jerry Miculek, etc. What useless slugs.

Yeah, but I bet Rob Leatham can ride a bike & shoot at the same time...:neener:

John Harrison
July 16, 2003, 08:08 PM
what we don't need is some person driving up the price of sporting equiptment to pay for the huge advertising contract they want.

How does a professional cyclist drive up the price of sporting equipment?

It just seems that other networks are more suited to the type of programing.

You would think so, but other networks don't cover the race (aside from a blurb about who won each day).

DonP
July 16, 2003, 08:22 PM
Sorry Nanaimo,

When my nephew was 14 years old and at the Mayo clinic with leukemia, Armstrong came through the pediatric ward and talked to every kid there that he could. He spent an hour or so with my nephew Joel, with Joel talking about how he wanted to be a long snap center back at his high school if he got out.

Armstorng told him a lot of things about ovecoming the challenge of being afraid for your life and feeling helpless and a few personal things. But my nephew was rejuvenated by the visit at a particularly tough point in his treatment. A few weeks later Armstrong sent him a jersey that he kept on the wall of his room at Mayo till he went home, thank God.

He did get back on the hgih school team and did three years as the long snap center at Northwestern. Lance has stayed in touch with him over the years and asked my nephew to pass on the gift of hope to others with cancer, and he does. Years later my nephew sent Armstorng a Northwesternm football jersey in return.

Sorry, Armstrong will always be something very special to all of us. No 8 figure contract drives him and you don't find him on the front page for making some teen-aged girl pregnant at a club.

Heroes are hard to come by these days, bnut I believe he qualifies and not just for his riding ability.

Don P.

PS:
My daughter handles 5 classrooms a day of inner city high school kids and her husband works on truck number 22 in the Chicago Fire Dept. They think he's special too.

ed dixon
July 16, 2003, 09:55 PM
oh PLEASE! he rides a Bicycle for a living. he had cancer, he survived with lots of modern medicine. he is NOT someone important

How charmingly ridiculous. A young man who faces stage four cancer, has brain surgery, abdominal surgery, an orchectomy, and continues to train through chemotherapy until he passes out certainly sounds like more flash than substance. He then not only wins but dominates what many consider to be the most difficult sporting event in the world and still claims his proudest achievement is to be a cancer survivor. What a shoddy pretentious role model. Surely he wouldn't have the patience or gumption to deal with third graders. Get a grip.

stellarpod
July 16, 2003, 10:22 PM
Nanaimo Barr:

only one word... c l u e l e s s.

stellarpod

(if we've got to explain it, you'll never get it)

Alan Smithiee
July 16, 2003, 11:55 PM
so far I still see nothing special. he has done nothing that lots of other people haven't done and don't get the fame.

come on people, why is he important and special? prove it to me.

and where do you think the money for endorsments comes from? it's tacked on to the cost of the product.

DonP, a friend of mine does magic shows at childerns hospitals, been doing that for over 20 years. makes the kids laught and feel better when they are hurting. where is his media adoration?, is there a difference between him and Armstrong? I'm happy that your nephew recovered. but who is more important. the people who developed the treatment? or the athleat?

"A young man who faces stage four cancer, has brain surgery, abdominal surgery, an orchectomy, and continues to train through chemotherapy until he passes out certainly sounds like more flash than substance"

yup, sounds pretty stupid to me. most people would have taken the time off and healed. but he's an athleat, so it must be heroic. a friend of mine's mother is going through Chemo, should she be training to climb a mountain? or to sail around the world?

"He then not only wins but dominates what many consider to be the most difficult sporting event in the world and still claims his proudest achievement is to be a cancer survivor. What a shoddy pretentious role model. Surely he wouldn't have the patience or gumption to deal with third graders. Get a grip."

I've survived a few things in my life and went on to do things too, does that mean I'm special? or do I have to win a bike race to be considered important?

I find it interesting that all I said was that he wasn't important, and I get this response. you would think I had said Charlton Heston deserves Alzhimerz because he is responsible for all the deaths at Columbine from the way you people are reacting.

"I guess the same thing can be said for Tom Knapp, Bob Munden, Rob Leatham, Jerry Miculek, etc. What useless slugs."

never said he was a useless slug. never said they were useless slugs either. but are they important? I think this country needs to readjust a few of it's priorities, a Race Car driver dies in a wreck during a race. the nation mourns, but how many people even remember the Marines who died in a training accident that same week. or the cops. or the firemen? Princess Diana dies in a car wreck and it's front page all over for months, everyone boo hoo. Mother Theresa dies and very little notice. sorry, I think Mother Theresa was much more deserving of the adoration than Diana.

sorry, I don't worship at the altar of Celebrity. I guess that means I don't have a clue for thinking for myself instead of what the herd tells me to think. oh well, I'll just save my respect for people who do something really worth while. people like Dr. Johnas Stalk, the people who find a cure for HIV or Cancer. the cop who used to work with my wife who is now dealing with the results a attempted suicide by cop. the men and women who are fighting the forest fires that are destroying peoples homes north of us. they deserve my respect. I don't see where Armstrong does.

Naw, I'll just let you folkes tell me how clueless I am because I don't worship celebrity like you do.

CZSteve
July 17, 2003, 12:25 AM
Well? :confused:

Nanaimo,

At least you are very entertaining.
(15 minutes of fame?)

This is almost as good as the 'Mall Ninja' post
:D

Ed Dixon & DonP;
Very well stated.

Alan Smithiee
July 17, 2003, 01:00 AM
Naw, already had my 15 mintues thank you. I started a group to promote shooting sports and it ended up as a AP article...

DWS1117
July 17, 2003, 01:14 AM
sorry, I don't worship at the altar of Celebrity

Acknowledging what the man has accomplished in the face of all he has been through doesn't amount to worship. I don't believe anyone here said that some of the people you have mentioned are any less deserving of the celebration than Mr. Armstrong or any other well known personality. His story just happened to posted all over the front page.

Is he a hero. I guess it all depends on your perspective. To DonP's family and that young man that would seem to be the case. The time Mr. Armstrong spent with the young boy made a big difference to him.

Just because the whole world doesn't hear about some of these other deeds and parades aren't thrown doesn't make them any less remarkable.

DWS1117
July 17, 2003, 01:14 AM
.

Alan Smithiee
July 17, 2003, 01:43 AM
lets see.. we started out with people commenting that all they could find on OLN was a bike race

"My program shows since more than 2 weeks nothing else than "bicycling" for that "OLN - Outdoors" channel. On July 4th, 19 HOURS CONSECUTIVE BICYCLING!!!

Where is American Shooter, Fly fishing, Bass fishing, all that stuff real outdoors? Are we a Nation of bicyclers now, watching 10 hours or more for the "Tour de France"?"

then we went to

"Well, Lance Armstrong. An American rider riding for an American Team in France kicking sore butts. Going for his 5th straight win in the TdF. What's more, the French don't like him because he doesn't suck up to them. Unlike Greg Lemond, an American riding for the French. (back them, of course, France was so-so OK.)

There is, of course, also his riding ability."

and

"10-Ring

I totally agree with you. What Mr. Armstrong has been able to accomplish is nothing short of miraculous. And I hope that he kick some Frenchy bike butt a 5th time. It just seems that other networks are more suited to the type of programing. Its not like this race is a two or three day event. I guess sponsorship and money help make the choices."

and

"Ditto hksw, 10-Ring and DWS1117.

Most folks who don't ride have no concept, much less respect for the shear magnitude of accomplishing even a single stage win in the Tour. Imagine running a 26-mile marathon for 20 days straight and you begin to get the idea. Almost.

And for Lance to be going for a 5th consecutive win, after his battle with cancer, it's just incredible. A fine American, riding for an American team and rubbing it in the nose of the French in their own country with their own sporting event.

Can it get any better?

stellarpod"

so then we have a Lance Armstrong thread. (which doesn't seem to be firearm related). and someone (me) doesn't think Lance is the greatest thing in the world and people's feeling got hurt because someone (me) said something less than wonderfull about a guy who rides a bike for a living and who believes that people like DonP's daughter and son in law do something much more important than riding a bike.

I don't think Athleates are important, so I'm clueless and need to "get a grip"

thanks, I'll take my hero's over yours any day.

Robert inOregon
July 17, 2003, 03:42 AM
Bottom line is the Tour is the third largest sporting spectacle on the planet and is only dwarfed by F1 racing and World Cup Soccer. And its simply about ratings. Even the running of the bulls from Pamplona, Spain draws more viewers to OLN than any hunting, fishing and shooting programming.

And don't forget two more weeks of bike racing in September for the Tour of Spain. :neener:

MMcCall
July 17, 2003, 05:38 AM
Given a choice between Tour de France coverage, and a couple of rednecks whispering inane crap to each other in a duck blind..

I'd shut it off and read a book.

resmeth
July 17, 2003, 05:59 AM
The TDF maybe the third largest sports spectacle, but not in the US. For starters it is in France, a country that many of us actively boycott, and secondly cycling is inanely boring. Watching cycling makes two rednecks muttering in a duck blind seem like action flick produced by James Cameron.
The only reason OLN plays it all day is because they are scamming the viewers. They film one days worth from a few different angles and cut it up and repeat it all month. Nobody can tell that it is the same footage over and over because after 5 minutes their brains have melted and dribbled out of their skull.

seeker_two
July 17, 2003, 06:11 AM
Maybe Lance Armstrong could whisper some inane crap to someone in a duck blind during the race?...:p

His admirable personal achievements aside, I'd rather be watching the hunting & fishing shows....

Good thing Outdoor Channel is still around...:D

Bainx
July 17, 2003, 08:19 AM
Never mind all the bike crap, where in the world is the new show "Shooting USA" that was supposed to debut June?

Doug
July 17, 2003, 11:51 AM
Almost every day I stop in here to read up on the messages. I'm normally a lurker for 2 reasons; 1. I don't have time and 2. Most of my sentiments have already been posted by someone else.

Today, I feel I have to respond. I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. Who cares if your guy is better than my guy. The way I'm reading it, it sounds like children bickering.

This is supposed to be "The High Road" isn't it? If I were an anti looking for ammunition I think they will find plenty of ammunition right here on "The High Road".

Sorry, but I had to vent.

ed dixon
July 17, 2003, 12:01 PM
I'm not sure how a debate/dispute over the significance or inspirational value of Lance Armstrong can be molded into ammo for the antis. Maybe typing errors here will cast us as sloppy and ignorant galoots, but I'm having a hard time worrying about it.

Alan Smithiee
July 17, 2003, 01:00 PM
gotta agree with ya on that one Ed. but then again, it's amazing what an anti can twist.. maybe something along the lines of "Right Wing Fundy Christian Gun Nuts at Each Others Throats" or some such...

we've all seen what the VPC can do with a idea.

John Harrison
July 18, 2003, 05:18 PM
They film one days worth from a few different angles and cut it up and repeat it all month. Nobody can tell that it is the same footage over and over because after 5 minutes their brains have melted and dribbled out of their skull.

Er...It's a 20 day race, so each day is new coverage. Perhaps your brains have already melted.:p

and where do you think the money for endorsments comes from? it's tacked on to the cost of the product.

As someone who has been involved in the sport before endorsments were common, I can say that prices haven't really gone up because of them. I would imagine this applies to more Americanized sports, though.

ed dixon
July 18, 2003, 08:43 PM
I think he was joking about that, John. I hope so.

John Harrison
July 18, 2003, 09:05 PM
Feh...Maybe my sarcasm detector is broken again. :uhoh:

I myself do miss the American Shooter, even the re-runs. And even I, a hard-core racing fan, am surprised at OLN's decision to replay the coverage a second time each day. I'm not complaining, though, especially after years of pathetic coverage foisted upon us by ABC and CBS.

Still, OLN combines my two favorite pastimes and I'm thankful that it's available.

As far as this years Tour, in my book Tyler Hamilton is the stud American. Really nice guy, and tough as nails. He's been riding since the 2nd day with a broken collarbone. Talk about pain tolerance...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2003/tour03/stage11/olympia/olympia3311.jpg

CZSteve
July 19, 2003, 08:24 AM
As previously posted. Just because one particular person is celebrated in the spotlight, does not mean that another person is any LESS important.
I enjoy sports where teamwork and respect for your OPPONENT is held in high regard.
IE:
'01 Tour when Lance waited for Ullrich after he went off the side of the road.
Also classic was when he looked Ullrich dead in the eyes going up L'Alpe d'Huez and left him in the dust.

I have a tremendous respect for what these guys (Pro Cyclist) can do.
(I may be a bit biased as cycling is very much a personal passion, used to race- not that well I might add)

Lance is diffently having the toughtest tour since his return; hope he can pull it out in the final week; would love to see a record six come next year :eek: .

Agree w/ John that Tyler Hamilton is THE MAN w/ determination.
P.S. How about that offroad adventure of Lance's when Petacchi went down. :what:

Schuey2002
July 19, 2003, 02:50 PM
P.S. How about that offroad adventure of Lance's when Petacchi went down.
I thought it was pretty :cool: ..

Wasn't it Joseba Beloki of ONCE that crashed when Lance decided to go wheelin'? ;)

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