Need help choosing a 1911


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Bravo11
November 1, 2007, 04:03 PM
I need help choosing a 1911.
I'm looking for a pretty good 1911 but I don't want to have to
hock my house to get it. Maybe Santa can leave one if I tell him what I want. Any ideas would be helpful.

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hkusp
November 1, 2007, 05:32 PM
Sw1911

RevolvingCylinder
November 1, 2007, 06:10 PM
Buy a GI-type and have sights of your liking installed. This is the only way I'll have a 1911.

Thernlund
November 1, 2007, 06:22 PM
The SIG Revolution (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProduct.aspx?categoryid=25) is nice.


-T.

CobraF100
November 1, 2007, 06:34 PM
Taurus PT 1911 .......The BEST Bang for your Money.

I made a post about mine I just got:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=313324

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/CobraF100/PT1911AR002.jpg

D-Man
November 1, 2007, 06:45 PM
If you don't mind the external extractor, S&W is a great choice.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n308/D-Man18360/Sig%20P239/DSCN0886-1.jpg

Not sure how much you're looking to spend, but that should run from $750 - $850.

Fumbler
November 1, 2007, 11:32 PM
I need help choosing a 1911.
I'm looking for a pretty good 1911 but I don't want to have to
hock my house to get it. Maybe Santa can leave one if I tell him what I want. Any ideas would be helpful.
Get a Wilson Combat Classic Super Grade.

kidding...
Bravo11, you really need to think about how much you want to spend and what features you want first.
After that we can give you meaningful advice.

Hunter0924
November 1, 2007, 11:56 PM
Colt, The first Government Model.

eldon519
November 2, 2007, 12:17 AM
SW1911 is great. Mine is my most prized firearm of 20+.

possum
November 2, 2007, 12:48 AM
taurus pt1911, sa loaded model, gi all great options and anyone will serve you well.

pittspilot
November 2, 2007, 01:08 AM
http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/images/Spartan06-Main_800w.jpg

10-Ring
November 2, 2007, 01:13 AM
Colt gov't model!

RON in PA
November 2, 2007, 03:44 AM
Ditto on the Colt Govt. Model.

sholling
November 2, 2007, 03:51 AM
I want a S&W SW1911 (http://www.gunblast.com/SW1911.htm) or PC1911 next year.

This is a pretty informative (http://www.gunblast.com/1911_ShootOff.htm) right up.

mljdeckard
November 2, 2007, 04:12 AM
I carry a superstitious bias against Taurus from a bad T-92 I had many years ago. Others who have actually tried a PT 1911 seem to love it.

I carry a Kimber Custom II, with a few modifications. (govt guide rod, trijicon sights, hogue finger-groove grips.) I may toy with an arched mainspring housing. Despite the naysayers who seem to pop up and complain about MIM parts failing, I haven't had a hiccup of any kind with this gun in about 5 years. The gun was $630 NIB, the sights were $115 installed. I would (and have) recommend this setup to anyone.

My dad is hemming and hawing about getting a defensive auto, and I have been talking to him about it, and we have discussed a few options. (He's cheap AND scared of his wife. He has actually traded fishing flies for new guns.) Two keep coming back. An RRA or Springfield govt model, which would be ideal to start with and possibly tweak later, OR we have also considered buying frames, and taking a class from a gunsmith learning to build them together. This can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be, but it's certainly cheaper to spend a week's evenings hand-lapping your own slide than it is to buy one that someone else fitted for you. (It's only lapping compound and time.) You also have the advantage of getting the most intimate knowledge of your own gun possible, because you see how every part works.

The only cheap 1911 I steer people away from is Auto Ordance. (Do they still make them?) I got one from a friend as part of a big trade, and not only did it function badly all around, the front sight fell out.

Rob96
November 2, 2007, 05:32 AM
Taurus PT 1911

Taurus PT 1911 .......The BEST Bang for your Money.

I made a post about mine I just got:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=313324


What the hell is that?:what: I always thought the Hieinies that Taurus is using on their 1911 looked bad, they are not actually the sights Richard Hienie uses on 1911's. But the way they did the frame for the rail is horrendous.:barf:

Walkalong
November 2, 2007, 09:27 AM
Rob96 doesn't like the rail I think. :evil:


Springfield Mil-Spec to save money. Springfield Loaded if you want more goodies and are willing to pay for them. S&W is also a fine choice. Can not go wrong with Colt. I like my Kimber as well.

Gunner4h1r3
November 2, 2007, 09:32 AM
I would get a Rock Island Armory. I have a G.I. model that I purchased for $380 new. Good gun and a good base to build up on. The sights are of the tiny type but that is a simple job to change.

The Tactical model is pretty good from what I hear.

Ala Dan
November 2, 2007, 11:02 AM
Hello Folk's-

A'bout all I can add is the fact that there are many quality 1911's out there
made by various manufactuer's. I sell firearms for a living, and I have learned
that everyone's budget is not the same; thus the 1911 that fills a niche for
customer A, may not fill the same niche for customer B and vice versa. One
fact remains certain; high end 1911's are expensive, so expect too have to
pay for all the features found on these weapons.

Just for the sake of comparison, lets compare a Kimber Warrior and a
Springfield Armory Trophy Match. Both, are top notch firearms selling
for over $1K. The Warrior's finish is a blued "Kim Pro", while the Trophy
Match is all stainless. Rear sights are adjustable on the Springfield gun,
while the Warrior has factory Meprolight night sights. Both, are 5" barrel
weapons. Lock up is tight and acceptable on both firearms; and both
have safety systems (politically correct, so too speak). Grips on the
Springfield are Cocobolo wood, with Springfields crossed cannon logo;
while the Kimber Warrior has plastic or polymer off white grips. Both,
are capable of out-standing accuracy in experienced shooter's hands.

Finally, which one do customers prefer? It boils down to which one of
the manufactuers do you trust? I think it comes down to customer
service. Here, is where Springfield shines. If ever a problem arises,
a quick phone call to Debbie in Springfields customer service will
get the problem resolved; but people have reported the same
results with Dennis at Kimber.

I can't answer which weapon is "best"; as this is very subjective.
Personally, I like both firearms; but still both would have to prove
to be 100% reliable as a CCW piece, before I would carry either.

the pistolero
November 2, 2007, 11:20 AM
I have a couple of Springfields and Kimbers; my most recent 1911 acquisition is a Dan Wesson Razorback and so far DW comes highly recommended. From what I remember they use fewer MIM parts than just about any other manufacturer, so if that's a sticking point with you I would recommend Dan Wesson. As far as Springfields vs. Kimbers, I am by no means averse to buying another Kimber, but I don't see how the Kimber can justifiably command a higher price than a comparable Springfield. YMMV, of course. I'd recommend any of those three.

Rob96
November 2, 2007, 11:32 AM
Rob96 doesn't like the rail I think.



You be right.

Quoheleth
November 2, 2007, 11:42 AM
I would get a Rock Island Armory. I have a G.I. model that I purchased for $380 new. Good gun and a good base to build up on. The sights are of the tiny type but that is a simple job to change.

The Tactical model is pretty good from what I hear.


Paid only a little more than that for my Tactical from www.sarcoinc.com - total (S&H, FFL, etc.) was about $410 or so. Great entry-level price for a great gun. The only quirk I have discovered is an occassional failure to return to battery, and I've been advised that a new Wolf #16 spring will cure it.

Buy it, and use the saved $$ for ammo & range time!
Q

Bravo11
November 2, 2007, 12:23 PM
Good point Fumbler.
Now that the ball is rolling, here are more specifics.
I don't want to pay more than a $1000 for a quality pistol.
I want target grade sights because this is primarliy going to be
used as a range gun but I want it to look good as in "BBQ" grade
because coming in at around a grand it will be my most expensive
pistol. I plan on getting a trigger job but other than that I want the gun to be tight and shoot well out of the box.
This gun will live among my Sig, CZ, others etc. and another 1911 which is a
Charles Daly. Regardless of the bad hipe with Dalys it shoots pretty good.
Still, I want to take it up a notch(or 2).
Back to the price issue. My budget won't get me to the $2000 class guns
and $1500 is on the extreme high side as a walk out the door price,
but I don't want a $500 gun either.
I hope this narrows the range.
Thanks for all the replies.

Thirties
November 2, 2007, 02:42 PM
Buy used, pre-owned, second-hand, whatever you want to call it. If you want to save money, pick a good used gun.

the pistolero
November 3, 2007, 09:44 AM
If $1,000 is your upper limit the Springfield Loaded would be a great choice. 3-dot tritium night sights, ambidextrous thumb safety, beavertail grip safety, and skeletonized hammer & trigger. The only thing I don't like about it is the speed bump on the grip safety; past 50 rounds it gets to be a pain in the hand. I got the parkerized version for $760 out the door; I haven't a clue what the stainless would cost at your friendly local fun shop, but I'd think even if you wanted it you could easily come in under that limit.

1911 guy
November 4, 2007, 08:08 AM
You need to decide what features you want, what features you won't have because you dislike them, and decide what this pistol is going to be for.

Ambi or single side safety? I prefer single.
GI or Beavertail Grip safety? I prefer BT with a Cdr. hammer.
Beveled mag well? Yup, I'd go for that.
Stippled or checkered frame? I prefer that to a smooth frame.
Arched or flat MSH? I like 'em flat.
Sights? I like a plain black rear with a highly visible front.
Blued or stainless? Again, I have a preferrence.

My best advice would be to make a list of desired features, a list of things you want to avoid, and find a manufacturer that supplies something very close.

michael misener
November 4, 2007, 01:42 PM
I Have A Rocl Island Compact $400.00 Great Gun, No Feed Problems, Compact Shoots Very Nice. You Can't Go Wrong With This For The Price. "nra"

michael misener
November 4, 2007, 01:44 PM
Rock Island Rock Island I Spelled It Wrong , Sorry. "nra" Mike

Grizfire
November 4, 2007, 02:22 PM
go with a SA loaded. Mine has given me no reason whatsoever to be disapointed. If you want something cheaper, I hear the SA mil-spec are good

Will Learn
November 4, 2007, 05:54 PM
I had a Springfield GI and didn't care for it that much(didn't like the sights or GI grip safety). I just ordered a Springfield loaded target, should be getting it later this week. It has most of the popular features with adj target sights. It doesn't have a beveled mag well but i'll probably add one later. Heres a link to the one I got- http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=24
I'm getting it new for $800 shipped from mastercampers.com, I'll let you know how it works out.

glassman
November 4, 2007, 07:44 PM
I like the Dan Wessen Pointman. Comes from the factory with all the goodies already in place.


Forged, one piece match grade barrel and bushing.
Round top slide with Bo-Mar style adjustable target sight
Hand polished flat surfaces with contrasting bead blasted rounds
Flat, all steel 20-LPI checkered mainspring housing
Front and rear cocking serrations
Beveled magwell
All sharp edges dehorned by hand
Lowered and flared ejection port
Hand polished feed ramp
Ed Brown slide stop
Ed Brown memory groove grip safety
Tactical extended thumb safety
One piece full length stainless guide rod
Commander style match hammer
Match grade sear
Aluminum trigger with stainless bow
Extended serrated magazine catch
Wolff springs used exclusively
Diamond checkered coco-bolo grips
Tuned, machined, internal extractor
Test fired for reliability
38 ounces unloaded

jpwilly
November 4, 2007, 09:33 PM
So many! Rock Islands come to mind...they have a "Tactical" thats under $400 I got a PT1911 when they were under $500 and have not regretted it!

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/pt1911wtarget.jpg

stevereno1
November 5, 2007, 07:04 PM
Kimber "Classic Custom" not the classic customII the triggers are better on the first gen classics.

BullfrogKen
November 5, 2007, 08:24 PM
You really can't go wrong with a Colt.

Find a "pre-owned" Colt, and the skies the limit for what you can do with it. S&W uses proprietary parts. So does Springfield and Kimber. I have no clue what Taurus and these other bargain 1911 companies are doing.


If you have a Colt, you can find parts for it from a dozen aftermarket manufacturers for things as simple as springs, to sights, to barrels, etc. And you can find plenty of guys who know how to work on it to do what you want, and the measurements and specs are the same for their jigs and fixtures. You won't get that with the "also rans".


I'm sure you can find a Colt with what you want, and in a few years when you discover how you want one of those aftermarket "XXXX" and "YYYY" thingees, you can have it done.

stevereno1
November 5, 2007, 08:30 PM
having to buy a colt, and then having to spend $800 to make it shoot like a kimber is what put colt out of business in the civilian market.

CTPistol
November 5, 2007, 08:38 PM
+1 on the Kimber Custom II

for about $700 it shoots better than some at 2X the price.

:)

Bravo11
November 7, 2007, 04:38 PM
Granted I'm going by the manufacturers MSRP from their websites. The Kimber Custom II Stainless Target and the Sprngfld Armory Loaded Target Stainless are both going for the same price, around $1025.00.
Which pistol is going to be the better "all around" gun.
"All around" being defined as better trigger, better functionality, more accurate, etc.

boldkharma
November 8, 2007, 09:24 AM
Colt!!!

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f102/Boldkharma/DSC01412.jpg

WJR
November 8, 2007, 10:27 PM
having to buy a colt, and then having to spend $800 to make it shoot like a kimber is what put colt out of business in the civilian market.

Absolutely false statement. First, Colt is anything but of out of business in the civilian market. Furthermore, the beauty of a Colt is that you can buy it and enjoy it out of the box. Then once you know more about your likes and dislikes, you can customize as you desire.

I have owned Kimbers before and they are nice guns, but those were all Series I. I would not own a Series II Kimber, too many issues with them. Also, Colt is producing 1911s with far fewer MIM parts than Kimber.

WJR

jpwilly
November 8, 2007, 11:49 PM
A plain jane Colt never appealed to me personally especially for the money. The Kimbers and SA's are nice pistols but start at 800+ but I feel the PT1911 I got was a great investment considering it's been 100% reliable, great trigger, accurate all the bells. I'm a lefty so an ambi saftey lever was a must. The sights are different but I like using them more than the three dots systems now.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/PT1911051.jpg

BAT1
November 9, 2007, 12:04 AM
RIA Compact 400.00 or SA SS loaded Champ 750.00 My Champ has been perfect. Love those night sights! Kimbers are good. Go rent some and chose.

GaryP
November 9, 2007, 12:29 AM
If you are looking for a 1911 clone then there are many to choose from varying from fair to excellent in quality and durability. This will be reflected in the price.

However, if you want the original MFG then Colt is the only way to go everything else is a clone. :D

:evil:

jhansman
November 9, 2007, 10:04 AM
Springfield's Loaded series gives you excellent value for your $$. For $700-$850 you get a lot of gun.

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