Expected Accuracy with Scope on M44?


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McKnife
November 2, 2007, 06:35 PM
I have 2 Russian Mosins M44... one shoots fantastic; groups about the size of a softball at 100 yds -- and the other, well, about 2 FEET high at 100 yds.

I'm thinking about buying a cheap Scope Mount from gunbroker or ebay and adding a long-eye relief scope to help with accuracy. I'd like to be able to hit paper plates with ease at 300 yds.

What kind of accuracy can I expect at 50,100, 200, 300 yds. (assuming I do my part)?



As for the inaccurate mosin, I think I'm gonna sell it - certainly a good looking, well cared-for rifle... just can't hit what it's aiming at. :banghead:

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Don't Tread On Me
November 2, 2007, 06:40 PM
Too many factors. My M44 has a very well cut stock. Channels are all straight. Also, it wasn't counterbored and it's not in bad shape at all. At best, at the very best, it does 3moa. That's excellent accuracy for that rifle. On the other hand, others I've seen have very crooked stocks and other issues. This can play a huge role in getting a 4moa rifle or a paper-plateMOA rifle.


Cheap mounts are no good. BTW (shameless plug coming up) I'm selling a high quality SK mount for the M44 for a good price. Message me if you're interested.

Macchina
November 2, 2007, 06:56 PM
I got one for Christmas last year. I bought a box of 20 rounds, and went to the range. The closest backrest on the rifle range I was at was 100 yards. I set 4 sheets of printer paper and started shooting. The only hit on the paper was a piece of jacket that had hit the ground in front of the target, came apart, and stuck in the backstop about 2" from the bullseye! Mine had a horrible worn out muzzle, very worn down sights, and my crappy open sight shooting ability. Don't expect much, but they are worth the money to just throw some cheap lead (steel) down range.

jpwilly
November 2, 2007, 07:13 PM
My M44 was a 1946 that was basically new. There was no evidence this rifle had been shot but it probably was at some point. The rifle will shoot 4-5" at 100yrds with surplus ammo. I've shot under 2" 3shot groups with it using S&B and my handloads. I have an adjustable trigger witch helped as much as the scope! Here's my M44:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/ScoutPaint007.jpg

rcmodel
November 2, 2007, 07:20 PM
and the other, well, about 2 FEET high at 100 yds.If thats all that is wrong with it, you just need a taller front sight.

Seems like I have heard of gluing a piece of hollow brass tubing over the post and filing it down to zero.

BTW: Most military bolt guns were supposed to shoot a foot or more high at 100 yards. It's called a "battle sight zero".

A peasant / conscript / solder could be easily trained to aim at the belt buckle at almost any range out to 400 - 500 yards, and get a hit somewhere on the torso.

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wcwhitey
November 2, 2007, 07:35 PM
Shot my new M44 last weekend. Bulgarian heavy ball (1955), my shooting and new gun it shot under 4" at 100 yards. A good trigger and better eyesight would have improved this. Don't think it will ever be a 2 MOA gun but very usable as it is. Cheap scopes an bad mounts always add up to a great deal of frustration. BTW there was a recent posting about modifying the rear sight (taking some material off the slide) for high shooting guns. Seems like a simple mod. Bill

Avenger
November 2, 2007, 09:05 PM
I typically get groups around 2.5 to 3.5 inches at 100 yards with my early '44 Izzy. My personal best was 3 rounds that could fit under a quarter. It's what I would call a "typical" rifle, not worn but not new.
My other carbine, a 1945 Izzy, with a SHARP, non-countered bore, on the other hand....well, some days it gets "Moment of Rifle Range" accuracy. The first time I shot it, the RO told me, "Don't worry, there's nothing but field behind the backstop, and we were going to cut that tree down anyways..."

I enthusiastically recommend Darrell Harrison's scout-type mount.

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