Prices of Mil-Surps


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Nolo
November 3, 2007, 11:30 AM
What are the prices of common Mil-Surp bolt action rifles like the SMLE, the Mosin, or the Mauser?

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karlsgunbunker
November 3, 2007, 12:35 PM
http://www.classicarms.us/
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/
http://www.aimsurplus.com/
http://www.samcoglobal.com/

Hoppy590
November 3, 2007, 01:17 PM
<100$ for a mosin
<200$ for a SMLE
about 300$ for a Mauser

thats for the most part true. as you get into specifics of Arsenals, special features etc

Nolo
November 3, 2007, 01:38 PM
I think I'm going to get an M38 Mosin. Not sure, though.

jacobhh
November 4, 2007, 11:31 PM
This is a very subjective topic. It amazes me how
consistent the prices are I hear quoted on this forum.
It's as if everyone got togrther this year and fixed
the response.

I frequently visit the auction sites and I haven't seen
either a $300 Mauser nor a $200 Enfield I would want
in a long time The Mosin's are $100 but they were $50
a year ago. Like I said, subjective, and so is my opinion.

The only thing I'd bet the farm on is that the days of cheap
(less than a new Savage) desirable WWII Milsurps are rapidly
coming to an end. Do some on-line research and evaluation.

My advice is to buy the best quality you can afford,
even a Mosin and you won't feel like you 'got burnt.'

KiltedClaymore
November 4, 2007, 11:38 PM
i saw an ad for Big 5 today and they were selling m-44s for $140... ON SALE!!!! the regular price listed was $200! and to think i picked my m-38 up at a gunshow for $79 including tax. came with a sling, oiler, ammo pouch, cleaning kit, and that little screwdriver thing. puts Brown Bear fmj's in groups under quarters with open sites at 75 yards. guess i got lucky.

Hoppy590
November 5, 2007, 12:07 AM
prices quoted are for FUNCTIONING rifles
not prissy safe queens
or special elite waffen paratrooper SS rifles...

right off Classicarm.us page
42, 1940, #921R, LAM, FLAT, STOCK IS HEAVY AND SOLID WITH A SOMEWHAT COURSE FINISH. DEEP DARK BLUE, DUAL EAGLES AND 3 WAFFENAMPS. BORE IS PRISTINE AND LOOKS NEW. BRIGHT AND SHINEY W/DEEP, CRISP LANDS AND GROOVES. IF THIS STOCK WERE PRETTIER I WOULD LIST THIS RIFLE MUCH HIGHER... $299.95

243,1940, #9250K, HARDWOOD, FLAT, NICE LITEWIEGHT HARDWOOD STOCK, GOOD SOLID BLUE. DUAL EAGLES PLUS WAFFEN STAMPS AND A V, AND A STAR ON TOP OF RECEIVER BETWEEN THE DATE AND FACTORY STAMP. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK. BORE SHOWS SOME LITE USE BUT IS STILL NRA VG/EX... $269.95

42, 40, #8996EE, HARDWOOD, FLAT, HARDWOOD STOCK IS NOTHING SPECIAL BUT SOLID AND WELL MATCHED. REALLY GOOD DEEP DARK BLUE. IN FACT ALL METAL SURFACES ON THIS RIFLE LOOK NEW. DUAL PROMINANT WAR EAGLES, 3 WAFFENS AND LOTS OF BBL STAMPS. THERE IS ALSO A CONSPICUOUS #7 BETWEEN THE MFG STAMP AND THE DATE STAMP ON THE RECEIVER. LARGE CASE STAMPINGS ON REC FOR DATE AND MFG. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK... BORE LOOKS NEW. JUST PRISTINE. BRIGHT AND SHINEY WITH DEEP, CRISP LANDS AND GROOVES. IT WILL NOT WIN A BEAUTY PAGENT BUT IF YOU WANT ONE THAT WILL GROUP EM TIGHT OR BE A GREAT ACCURATE CARRY OR COMPETITION RIFLE THIS SHOULD BE IT... $309.95

237, 1939, #8077F, LAMINATED, CUPPED, PRETTY RIFLE. LAMINATED STOCK IS WELL MATCHED AND HAS A NICE COLOR CONTRAST. WITH ALMOST NO DENTS OR DINGS. HEAVY BLUED CUPPED BUTTPLATE. DEEP RICH BLUE. ALL METAL LOOKS VIRTUALLY NEW. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK.DUAL EAGLES PLUS WAFFENS AND BBL STAMPINGS.. BORE SHOWS LITE USE BUT IS STILL NRA VERY GOOD PLUS... $299.95

42, 1939, #4030B, HARDWOOD, FLAT, TYPICAL DARK HARDWOOD STOCK IS NOTHING SPECIAL BUT IS WELL MATCHED AND HAS 2 WEIMER EAGLES STAMPED INTO THE WOOD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. GOOD, SOLID LOW LUSTRE BLUE. DUAL EAGLES PLUS WAFFEN AND BBL STAMPS. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK. BORE IS PRISTINE. I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS NEVER HAD A ROUND THROUGH. SHOULD BE A TACK DRIVER. $299.95

147, 1940, #8572N, LAMINATED , CUPPED, THE LAMINATED STOCK IS QUITE NICE WITH A VERY GOOD DEEP HI-GLOOS BLUED METAL FINISH. DUAL SMALL WAR EAGLES. BORE SHOWS SOME USE BUT IS VERY SERVICEABLE W/STRONG LANDS AND GROOVES. I WOULD CALL NRA V.G. ...$269.95

42, 1938, #7664R, LAMINATED, FLAT, HEAVY PATTERN COURSE WOOD LAMINATED STOCK. ALL METAL SURFACES LOOK NEW W/DEEP, MID GLOSS BLUE AND LARGE CASE DATE AND MFG CODES. DUAL WAR EAGLES PLUS 3 WAFFENS AND BBL STAMPS. BORE IS NRA EXCELLENT. BRIGHT AND SHINEY W/DEEP, CRISP LANDS AND GROOVES. $289.95

243, 1940, #2800F, LAM, FLAT, PRETTY , PRETTY, PRETTY, RIFLE. NICE LAMINATED STOCK WITH ALMOST NO DENTS OR DINGS. DEEP, DARK REALLY SMOOTH BLUE. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK. DUAL SMALL WAR EAGLES AND 3 WAFFEN STAMPS PLUS BBL MARKINGS. BORE SHOWS A LITTLE LITE WEAR RIGHT AT CHAMBER BUT OTHERWISE IS NRA EXCELLENT WITH STRONG LANDS AND GROOVES. OH, AND DID I MENTION IT WAS PERETTY. I LIKE THIS RIFLE... $309.95

42, 1939, #3016G, HARDWOOD, FLAT, HARDWOOD STOCK IS SOLID AND HAS A NICE WEIMER EAGLE CARTOUCHE STAMPING ON THE LEFT SIDE BUT OTHERWISE IS NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE. DARK AND COURSE WITH SOME LAQUER FLAKING OFF. METAL FINISH IS EXCELLENT. DEEP, SMOOTH BLUE WITH REALLY CRISP STAMPINGS. DUAL EAGLES PLUS 3 WAFFENS AND FACTORY STAMPED MATCHING #'S ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK. BORE IS NRA EXCELLENT PLUS. BRIGHT AND SHINEY WITH SHARP, CRISP LANDS AND GROOVES. ... $289.95

147, 1940, #2100D, LAMINATED, CUPPED, PRETTY RIFLE. LAMINATED STOCK IS WELL MATCHED AND HAS A NICE COLOR CONTRAST. WITH ALMOST NO DENTS OR DINGS. HEAVY BLUED CUPPED BUTTPLATE. DEEP RICH BLUE. ALL METAL LOOKS VIRTUALLY NEW. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON THE BBL, REC, AND STOCK.DUAL EAGLES PLUS WAFFENS AND BBL STAMPINGS.. BORE IS NRA EXCELLENT PLUS, BRITE AND SHINEY W/DEEP CRISP LANDS AND GROOVES... $319.95

243, 1940, #7673B, HARDWOOD, CUPPED, STOCK IS NICE BUT LAQUER IS FLAKING OFF BIG TIME. BLUE IS GOOD AND SOLID BUT FLAT. DUAL REALLY PROMINANT WAR EAGLES. AS WELL AS BBL AND WAFFEN STAMPINGS. BORE IS NRA EXCELLENT PLUS, BRIGHT WITH STRONG LANDS AND GROOVES. NICE RIFLE BUT WILL NEED SOME LIGHT REFINISHING DUE TO FLAKY FINISH... $289.95



Mosins, you cant doubt the 100$

enfields are out there for that price

jacobhh
November 5, 2007, 12:15 AM
saw an ad for Big 5 today and they were selling m-44s for $140... ON SALE!!!! the regular price listed was $200! and to think i picked my m-38 up at a gunshow for $79 including tax.

It's location. I've seen nice 4 bdrm 2 bath homes in the Southwest
that you could buy for the price of 1/4 acre of weeds in suburban Virginia.
The internet market is the only leveler.

jacobhh
November 5, 2007, 12:45 AM
prices quoted are for FUNCTIONING rifles
not prissy safe queens
or special elite waffen paratrooper SS rifles...

I just looked on classic arms and saw one of their nice, many
other exclamatories, functioning rifles one pictured and featured!
for only $319 plus shipping and transfer at Your FFL. Nicely
marked with Waffens and all. Also marked with crossed rifles
(Russian Capture). Five'll get you ten it's beautiful bore is
counterbored beyond the sight band, the stock looks like driftwood
thats been slopped over with spar varnish. That nice blue is for
sure Soviet or importer paint . You're right nobody would put that
thing in a safe.

akaduck
November 5, 2007, 03:00 AM
I got my M91/30 from Big 5 for $79.

KiltedClaymore
November 5, 2007, 03:52 AM
ah, but when did you buy it?

Ash
November 5, 2007, 08:27 AM
As far as Mausers, you cannot price them without knowing much, much more. As a historian, the Russian Capture K98k's are really great buys because they have, yes that's right, history. These were at the Battle of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, many other un-named places, they fought in Poland and into down-town Berlin. Chances are you won't get an SS rifle, but what's so great about the SS other than rarity? No, the RC's won't be the best K98k's out there, but they have history and they aren't in bad shape. If they are counterbored (ignore exaggerations), that is because their crowns were bad. Without counterboring, they probably would be minute-of-barn shooters. Now, they are restored to their original capabilities. And they are real deal, completely-legitimate K98k's carried by the Germans and used in WWII combat. Yes, they are. Yes, they are completely legitimate. No, they are not as they left the factory, but they are affordable and will command much higher prices down the road.

But, they are not the only mausers out there. Yugo Mausers are much, much cheaper, as are Turkish Mausers. Both of these (unless you get a 93 Turk) are 98 actions (but the Turk is a true 98 action whereas the Yugo's are a bit short). In any case, they can be had for half $300 or less.

Ash

SigfanUSAF
November 5, 2007, 09:11 AM
Yes, they are. Yes, they are completely legitimate. No, they are not as they left the factory, but they are affordable and will command much higher prices down the road.

Great point Ash. Consider the fact before the CMP began releasing M1 Carbines, an import marked complete mixmaster could fetch $600. All things considered, their condition wasn't all that different than the R/C K98s.

Considering an all matching non-import marked K98 can bring $1200 easy, and the same in an Inland M1 won't bring much more than that, R/C K98s are the "best deal in town", IMHO.

doc2rn
November 5, 2007, 09:46 AM
I went to the Gun Show in Topeka, Ks the other day and did not see one Mossin for less than $225. There where 8 of them out. It must be about the location I see better deals online!

KiltedClaymore
November 5, 2007, 10:04 AM
that is......dare i say....a stupid price for what is basicly a $80 rifle?! what is the world coming to?

jefnvk
November 5, 2007, 10:16 AM
Dunhams has had Mosins for $59 within the last two or three weeks. they are $69 today.

Enfields are $129 at Century

RC K98's can be had around $200, Yugo and Czech Mausers for less than that.

SKS's are still around $150.

Steyr Carbines are often under $100 at Dunhams

Nagant Revolvers still run $69

There are still quite a few good deals out there.

jacobhh
November 6, 2007, 04:50 AM
No, the RC's won't be the best K98k's out there, but they have history and they aren't in bad shape. If they are counterbored (ignore exaggerations), that is because their crowns were bad. Without counterboring, they probably would be minute-of-barn shooters. Now, they are restored to their original capabilities. And they are real deal,

I agree, but if you want to turn them into a nice shooter it
can take some work.

http://lh5.google.com/obsails/RzAZrYQrvbI/AAAAAAAAAyA/y1jEJVVHOsg/byf43.jpg?imgmax=400

Bought this byf43 for $350 at a shop. It's an RC; had a varnished stock,
mismatched etched bolt, counterbored 'bout 1.5" but I loved the history
and the fine Mauser engineering.
My old eyes can't use those Mauser sights anymore so I scoped it
(Burris 2x7 handgun on an S&K no drill mount)and stripped off the varnish
and oil finished it so my skin wouldn't stick to the stock. It grouped
about 8" at 50 yds. I felt it could do better. I hacksawed the barrel
off behind the front sight ring, filed it down to good rifling and resurfaced
the muzzle square. That's it, the importer at least hadn't painted it. No
bedding, military trigger. I sighted the scope in at 50 yds to shoot 100
with eight rounds. The final group of four was under 1" and three of those
were in the same hole.
Bubbaed? maybe, but I'm no museum curator, I shoot and this old piece
of history won't be collecting dust. Total cost: about $690 tax & transfer
included. The scope & mount is 250 of that.
I'll load another 20 and have 32 rounds for 100 yds. this weekend.
Maybe I'll save some of those and try 200 yds. the next time.

MustangHowie
November 6, 2007, 08:54 AM
I looked at a few M1 carbines the other day. Century imports for $700.:what: They made my RC K98 look new. Why are M1 carbines and Garands so expensive for such poor examples. I have a carbine, but would like one for my wife and one for my son. I would also like to find a Garand for my collection. The ones that I find are a lot more than I want to pay for ones that look that bad.

yesit'sloaded
November 6, 2007, 09:46 AM
In Mississippi
mosins-around $130 for 91/30s around $90 for m44s
Enfields-around $200
Mausers-from $120 to stupid money
Arisakas- around $100 to $200

jefnvk
November 6, 2007, 10:49 AM
Why are M1 carbines and Garands so expensive for such poor examples.

Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan, etc.

That, and they are marked US.

Oh, and short ofthe SKS, name me one other surplus semi-auto that is less than about $400.

strat81
November 6, 2007, 11:07 AM
Why are M1 carbines and Garands so expensive for such poor examples. I have a carbine, but would like one for my wife and one for my son. I would also like to find a Garand for my collection. The ones that I find are a lot more than I want to pay for ones that look that bad.
History. Those are the guns that won WWII. Many folks have (had) fathers and grandfathers who carried them valiantly into battle, emerging victorious. The Garand also shoots a very common, powerful round while the Carbine is cheap to reload for and a pleasure to shoot.

I have a Garand. I cannot name a modern gun I've handled that feels as substantial as an M1.

The best place to look for M1 rifles and carbines is the CMP at www.odcmp.com. Prices start at $500 for complete guns and go up from there. However, the CMP puts out a VERY nice product and they do it for a good cause. Some are cosmetically a little rough, but that can be remedied relatively quickly, easily, and cheaply.

Cosmoline
November 6, 2007, 02:38 PM
of common Mil-Surp bolt action rifles like the SMLE, the Mosin, or the Mauser?

The answer is "it depends." There are several dozen major types of Mosin-Nagant and hundreds of different military Mausers. You can go from a rare Venezuelan Olympic team Mauser worth a grand to some beat up Russian capture K-98k worth a few hundred or a Turk worth less than a C note. The carbines alone comprise dozens of subtypes and can be worth a mint. I know less about the Enfields, but I believe the same applies there, although from what I've seen they have a higher bottom range from about $250 to $300 and a lower top range, with fewer ultra rare subtypes.

I think I'm going to get an M38 Mosin. Not sure, though.

I would strongly advise to wait on that unless you see some minty carbine with a perfect bore and no counterbore. The rifles to buy NOW are Finnish Mosin-Nagants and Swiss K-31's and Schmidt-Rubins. The Soviet Mosins are probably the third most commonly produced rifles in world history after the AK-47 and SKS. Over 25 million were made, so they're not going to run out anytime soon.

I went to the Gun Show in Topeka, Ks the other day and did not see one Mossin for less than $225. There where 8 of them out. It must be about the location I see better deals online!

What kind of Mosins were they, though. That could be a heck of a deal depending on what you were looking at.

32 Magnum
November 6, 2007, 02:48 PM
I work with a FFL Dealer who buys East Bloc milsurps wholesale from CAI. He has been informed by CAI, that the supply of these rifles is just about depleted - get em while you can. As to the Yugo 59/66s, which were so plentiful over the past couple years, CAI has made their last shipments to dealers as of the end of September - if you didn't get a cheaply priced one before, you better get one soon - prices on all the Easter bloc milsurp pieces will be rising faster than the price of gasoling by next January, if not sooner.

KiltedClaymore
November 6, 2007, 03:04 PM
crap!!!! birthday isnt until December!!!! Quick! help me think of reasons to get another milsurp!

elmerfudd
November 6, 2007, 03:04 PM
I'm talking retail and gun show prices here, but what I see are Mosins going for around $100. You can get them as low as $80 though if you look. Finn's start at around $225 and go up to around $350. Ishapore 2A's are around $200, but that might come down as one of the surplus dealers is offering C&R's for $99. #4 mk1's start at around $175 and can go up to $300 or more depending on make and condition. Yugo Mausers in good condition start at around $150 and go up to maybe $220. Russian capture K98's are around $225. Turks are around $100. K31's are around $170.

Then you get into the collectible stuff. Things like matching K98's, Arisakas with intact mums and '03 Springfields. Prices can get stupidly high for that stuff.

doc2rn
November 6, 2007, 05:24 PM
Cosmoline: six were 91/30's. One was like new but it was a 44. I wasn't sure of the other ones make just said Mosin $319 on the tag, stopped me right there although the seller had refinished the stock it made me wonder, till I looked at the bore then I smiled and walked away.

Cosmoline
November 6, 2007, 06:23 PM
Wow. Well that's gun shows for you.

mnw42
November 6, 2007, 10:13 PM
The last mil-surp gun I bought was my Sako M39. It was imported by CIA and cost me a shade under $400

Zedicus
November 6, 2007, 11:24 PM
KiltedClaymore:
i saw an ad for Big 5 today and they were selling m-44s for $140... ON SALE!!!! the regular price listed was $200! and to think i picked my m-38 up at a gunshow for $79 including tax. came with a sling, oiler, ammo pouch, cleaning kit, and that little screwdriver thing. puts Brown Bear fmj's in groups under quarters with open sites at 75 yards. guess i got lucky.

Big 5 in Boise has M44's for $89 and in pretty good condition to (had a look at them).

MustangHowie
November 7, 2007, 09:37 AM
Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan, etc.

That, and they are marked US.

Oh, and short ofthe SKS, name me one other surplus semi-auto that is less than about $400.

I don't have a problem with the price on a decent rifle, I just don't want to pay that much for one that got ran over by a tank. All the Century ones I have seen lately have looked like that.

Hoppy590
November 7, 2007, 02:19 PM
Oh, and short ofthe SKS, name me one other surplus semi-auto that is less than about $400.
Mas-49. VZ-52

the problem is. EVERYONE had thier own bolt action going into ww2. few countrys had Semi Autos in any number. coming out of the war. those with bolt actions kept them for a few more years. they either just won or just lost the war and had a lot of better things to do than build a semi auto rifle. then when they decided to update, it was the era of assualt rifles. i mean STG44= 1944 AK-47 = 1947 FAL = 1953
M14= in 1950's (?)

Cosmoline
November 7, 2007, 02:21 PM
I guess prices are headed north. I remember in '99 a big box of Polish M44's came in for $80 each from the ffl. You can't find one now for under two bills or more.

Nolo
November 7, 2007, 10:46 PM
Where can I get an Enfield No.4 for under $300?
I'm looking at internet sellers, but I can't find what I'm looking for.

Funderb
November 7, 2007, 10:48 PM
I got a yugo 24/47 for $120.
Other than my face being kicked apart,
a cheek pad makes it a great rifle with fairly cheap rounds.

mosin? go to a gun show, look down the barrels for a good bore,
and don't be sad to pay $100-$140
It'll treat you well.

karlsgunbunker
November 8, 2007, 09:53 AM
Where can I get an Enfield No.4 for under $300?
I'm looking at internet sellers, but I can't find what I'm looking for.

SOG has 3 different models of Enfields for $149 - $169
PM me your e-mail and I will send you the PDF of the catalog.

Nolo
November 8, 2007, 07:42 PM
I'm looking at the handpicked Savage Enfield right now, Karls. Are you the owner of S.O.G., or are you just an importer of them? What can you tell me about what I may order?

karlsgunbunker
November 9, 2007, 01:42 AM
I'm looking at the handpicked Savage Enfield right now, Karls. Are you the owner of S.O.G., or are you just an importer of them? What can you tell me about what I may order?

I'm just a Dealer.

I bought my Savage from Southern Ohio Guns over a year ago.
Great rifle in excellent condition. The only US made WWII rifle I can afford.
You will need a C&R or a Transfer Dealer to order FFL items from SOG.

You can find transfer dealers here:

http://www.auctionarms.com/help/fflnetwork.cfm

and here:

http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp

Good Luck

Nolo
November 9, 2007, 08:45 PM
Thanks, much.

doc2rn
November 9, 2007, 10:03 PM
Does anyone know of a descent 7.62 Nato surplus rifle?

Nolo
November 9, 2007, 10:07 PM
The Ishapore Enfields.
They're 7.62 NATO and relatively cheap.
I prefer the .303 SMLE, though.

Hoppy590
November 9, 2007, 11:59 PM
Does anyone know of a descent 7.62 Nato surplus rifle?

Ishapores
many of the Mas 49's were converted
the Spanish FR8 Mauser
Spanish Civil Guard, M1916

Nolo
November 10, 2007, 11:51 PM
Can I order an SMLE from SOG online? Or do I have to mail them?

dispatch55126
November 10, 2007, 11:54 PM
This was last year, but I saw a MN91/30 matching # sniper for $450.

Hoppy590
November 11, 2007, 12:05 AM
Can I order an SMLE from SOG online? Or do I have to mail them?

well you will have to Mail, Fax, or EMail them some form of FFL then order it however. if i remember correct SOG requires you to have FFL on file before ordering

Nolo
November 11, 2007, 12:11 AM
Kind of an unrelated question, but if a rifle has lost all of its bluing, how do you give it new bluing? Is it easy? Is it cheap?

rodregier
November 11, 2007, 01:07 PM
Overall re-bluing isn't cheap or "easy", but it is a standard service offered by a real gunsmith. They have to detail strip all the parts, buff and clean any rust patches. Degreasing and chemical cleaning to reveal bare metal. They can then run thru hot bluing salts in a tank with smaller parts linked to hangers. Slightly lower cost is to have any of the large parts that need surface reconditioning is to have those glass-beaded. It produces a matte finish, which some like and some hate.

Say $150 to $200 as a ballpark value.

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