should i trade my bushmaster for sig 556?


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collateral
November 4, 2007, 05:33 PM
I have a bushy 16 inch carbine with an izzy flash suppressor, I payed 1000 for it new. I really want a piston "AR" type rifle but the only one I can find around my area is the Sig 556. It sells for usually 1300 where I have seen it, should I trade the bushmaster and shell out a few hundred dollars for a Sig? What do you guys think?

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brentn
November 4, 2007, 05:36 PM
I would trade it in a second, only because out here they are worth 3000$ and the AR's including bushmaster are 1500$. I could afford to buy a bushmaster again at some point, but probably not a sig.
They are apparently extremley reliable, but very difficult to find parts for if one were to break.

Kalashnikov
November 4, 2007, 05:56 PM
Please point to me where they're that cheap in MI and I'll definatly go get me 1-3.

C-grunt
November 4, 2007, 05:57 PM
I heald one this weekend and was not very impressed with it. Its rather heavy and bulky. Im sure its a very good and accurate rifle, but I would definitely prefer an M4 for a fighting gun.

C-grunt
November 4, 2007, 05:58 PM
Sportsmans Wharehouse has them for 1300 here in Phx.

nwilliams
November 4, 2007, 06:36 PM
I would trade it in a second, only because out here they are worth 3000$ and the AR's including bushmaster are 1500$.

$3000 for a Sig 556?:scrutiny:

MSRP according to SIG is $1,299.95:rolleyes:

The questions to ask yourself is how much is the Bushmaster worth if I were to sell it outright and are you getting a fair trade?

If they offer you any less than $800 in trade-in value on your AR then I would walk away. Personally the 556 doesn't do anything for me, but if you like it better than your Bushmaster and really want one then I say go for it.

You're always better off trying to sell a gun yourself over trading it in, most gun shops give you about 60% of the gun's potential resale value. Putting a gun on consignment is usually a better option if you don't like selling privately, most shops around here take 15-20%.

4v50 Gary
November 4, 2007, 06:38 PM
Yep, I'd trade too, but that's only because Bushmasters are easier to get than Sigs and it's my way of celebrating diversity (why, is there any other type of diversity that I should be celebrating?).

Evil Monkey
November 4, 2007, 06:47 PM
$3000 for a Sig 556?

Brentn lives in Calgary, Canada.

metalhd9034
November 4, 2007, 06:52 PM
I wouldn't trade the AR, I'm partial to them over other rifles simply because I'm lazy and I think the 556 is considerably heavier than my LMT carbine. Besides the weight difference, I think the AR platform gives you so much more flexibility in caliber/barrel length/aftermarket parts etc the Sig is a relatively new kid on the block. If you just like the Sig 556 by all means knock yourself out! It's definitely a great rifle. However, a cheaper alternative would be getting a piston conversion kit from LWRC and convert your existing AR to a piston driven system. I haven't tried the system myself yet, but I've heard/read good things about them. Here is the website: http://www.lwrifles.com/ At the very least you could keep the handling characteristics/ease of maintance/and cheaper solution to the problem, than buying a completely different rifle that you'll have to pay more to maintain down the road. The AR family has been around a loong time, you'll always be able to easily find parts for it, how easy will it be 5 to 10 years from now to get parts for the Sig? I could be totally wrong, but it's just my .02. Have fun with whatever you decide, both are definitely solid firearms.

George Hill
November 4, 2007, 06:56 PM
The SIG makes the AR look silly.

Crunker1337
November 4, 2007, 08:25 PM
Depends; what will be using this rifle for?

Longer shooting=SIG
Homeland defense=Bushy

I don't think your OP gave enough information to fairly answer this question.

TexasRifleman
November 4, 2007, 08:30 PM
Real shooting? Keep the Bushy

Something to show and impress your friends that don't know better? SIG

collateral
November 4, 2007, 08:42 PM
Please point to me where they're that cheap in MI and I'll definatly go get me 1-3.
Gander Mountain in toledo, OH.

My AR functions just fine, I more or less just want to move over to a piston instead of direct impingement. I dont really know much about who makes good piston uppers for ARs.

rbernie
November 4, 2007, 08:50 PM
The Bushy is probably better-handling by a bit (the Sig is front-heavy) but the Sig clearly is a harder beast to come by.

Something to show and impress your friends that don't know better? SIGThat's a bit overly uncharitable. Like Sig or not, the 556 is not a poseur. It may not be what everyone wanted it to be, but it's a viable piston-driven 223/5.56NATO carbine that takes STANAG mags and generally puts lead downrange as well as most anything else.

I'm not sure that I'd pay $200-$300 more for a 556 than a similar Bushy, but then again it's still cheaper than most any other piston-driven 5.56NATO carbine with STANAG mag compatibility. If you really want a piston-driven rifle and not direct-impingment, the 556 is probably the least expensive option.

TexasRifleman
November 4, 2007, 08:55 PM
That's a bit overly uncharitable.

After having one for 6 months, I'd say I was being generous quite frankly.

It's unusual, that's about all going for it. If you don't have an AR type rifle at all, or collect things like I do, then it's great, but to trade a functioning Bushy for a Sig makes no sense considering the money difference.

There is no ADVANTAGE to the Sig other than the appearance and the "cool" factor over an AR.

It's a nice rifle, it shoots fine, but it's not BETTER than a well running AR.

Bartholomew Roberts
November 4, 2007, 09:14 PM
Well, first consider that you are unlikely to get new, retail value for your used Bushmaster (even if only slightly used). So you aren't going to get $1k in trade most likely.

Now figure out what the SIG 556 offers that the Bushmaster doesn't and decide if it is worth the price difference to you.

I know for me, the fact that the SIG 556 is a gas piston isn't worth the extra $300-500 for me. I've handled the SIG and they are nice rifles; but nose-heavy. I just didn't see a significant gain over my ARs to plunk down the money on one.

karnaaj
November 4, 2007, 09:23 PM
I paid $1159 w/tax for mine back in Sep here in Cincinnati. I got one of the early ser#'s that needed a new sight rail. Called Sig and had one in 6 days, no charge. Mine came with no sights at all so I ended up putting in another $250 for that. I am very satisfied with mine. I don't plan on tricking it out like I might an AR so the lack of accessories is not a problem. I've owned Sig pistols for years. IMHO they are the best out there. Couldn't resist getting their rifle.

cslinger
November 4, 2007, 09:27 PM
I own a 556 that I am very happy with. That being said I wouldn't dump a perfectly good Bushmaster for the perceived benefit of a gas piston system. The SIG is a good rifle but so is your Bushy.

Chris

davepool
November 4, 2007, 11:01 PM
Keep the Bushmaster! Sig Arms makes fine weapons without a doubt, but with all of the accessories and modifications you can have for the Bushmaster there really is no comparison. You can buy a gas piston upper for the Bushmaster(page 25 of their catalog) for about $900 that gives you a wider variety of ammo you can use.

brentn
November 4, 2007, 11:07 PM
Yes it is 3000$ here, click the link if you don't believe me.
http://www.theshootingedge.com/cmgallery/displayimage.php?album=8&pos=2

A couple other retailers sell it for the exact same price, there has to be some kind of importation fee or something... If I was interested I would have that gun store in pheonix ship it to questar in the states to be imported to canada for me. Probably cost me 2K$ instead total instead of 3...
No idea why its that high..

bl4ckd0g
November 5, 2007, 02:28 AM
Dude, that's a SIG PE90, or the SIG 552 made in Europe that all of us 'mericans fawn over despite its $6000 (or more) price tag.

The 556 is a different ball of wax. It's more or less a hybrid of the AR and original 55x model.

C-grunt
November 5, 2007, 02:35 AM
Brentn...Thats not the 556. Its definitely a nice looking rifle though.

rbernie
November 5, 2007, 09:49 AM
If you don't have an AR type rifle at all, or collect things like I do, then it's great, but to trade a functioning Bushy for a Sig makes no sense considering the money difference.

There is no ADVANTAGE to the Sig other than the appearance and the "cool" factor over an AR.

It's a nice rifle, it shoots fine, but it's not BETTER than a well running AR.Fair enough - unless you have a bee in your bonnet about direct impingment actions (as some people do). If the OP wants a gas piston rifle, the Sig becomes the least expensive way to get a non-direct-impingment semiauto long gun that will still take STANAG mags.

I got mine for less than a grand NIB; that's about the same cost as a Bushy. I like it OK. I don't have an issue with direct impingment, tho, so I wouldn't likely make the trade insomuch as I picked one up to have an option.

But I'm not the OP, and if he wants a gas-piston rifle then the Sig 556 is his least expensive option. Only he can decide if that's worth $300-$500 dollars to him.

Baba Louie
November 5, 2007, 06:06 PM
Or he could buy a Bushie piston upper for the princely sum of $1000+...
http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_parts_upper_receivers.asp#BURA3B16M4GP
http://www.tacticalsight.com/bushmaster-piston-upper-p-95.html

...and do the beta consumer field testing. It's not a SIG mind you... but it might be another solution to the non-existant problem of finding yet another way to deliver 5.56 rounds downrange for a lot more money spent.

Make the trade, get the Swiss, let us know your thoughts afterwards.

nwilliams
November 5, 2007, 07:14 PM
Yes it is 3000$ here, click the link if you don't believe me.
http://www.theshootingedge.com/cmgal...?album=8&pos=2

That's not a Sig 556, but man I wish it was!:what:

That is what the Sig 556 should have looked like, but instead we get this:barf:
http://dynamicarmament.com/sig556.asp

Coronach
November 5, 2007, 08:04 PM
I heald one this weekend and was not very impressed with it. Its rather heavy and bulky.

I have not fired one, but I have handled one at the funshop. The above quote pretty much sums up my first impression. It sure is heavy and bulky, and awkward beyond its size, compared to a comparably set up (read: rails, flat top, no extraneous junk on it) AR.

Mike

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