Controlled round feed sporting rifle


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PAC 762
November 4, 2007, 07:13 PM
I have a friend that is looking for a general purpose / deer hunting rifle. His specs seem simple enough, but I cannot find an of-the-shelf model that fits his requirements, and I'm affraid he can not afford a semi-custom rifle. Any idea where he can find a rifle that meets the following?:

-Bolt-action
-controlled round feed
-.30-06
-back-up iron sights

The Rem 798 Ruger m77 MkII have no sights. The CZ550 Medium and FN SPR are not available in 30-06. The latest winchester announcement of new M70's shows no sights, either. I can't believe that no major manufacturer can meet these very basic requirements.

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Float Pilot
November 4, 2007, 09:08 PM
I have owned a couple CZ 550s in 30-06 that came with sights.

A Ruger M-77MKII is very easy to have sights installed upon. There is a post here someplace with photos of mine after I installed a Remington front ramp and a quick detachable NECS (?) rear peep sight. The Peep mounts right to the built in ring base of the Ruger action. They also make the same sight for the CZ 550 series. A peep is WAY better than the stock Williams style barrel sights they come with. I probably spent $150 bucks for the sights and installation stuff.

There are lots of older Parker Hale Mausers, Husquvarna Mausers, converted M-98s, Interarms Mark 10s that have a nice controlled feed and sights installed.

Float Pilot
November 4, 2007, 09:41 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84289335

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84283471

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84365592

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84326852

George Hill
November 4, 2007, 09:46 PM
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=22
Why does it have to be .30-06? The 7MM Rem Mag does everything the Aught Six can do, but does so with a better trajectory... and that Medium Magnum is one FINE looking rifle. Tell me he wouldn't really just love that rifle.

WAID
November 4, 2007, 10:37 PM
What about the M77 international? Or the CZ550 FS?

usp_fan
November 4, 2007, 10:57 PM
I believe you can still find plenty of Rugers with factory sights if you look around at used rifles. I think as late as last year they had iron sights as an option. Good luck.

--usp_fan

Gator
November 4, 2007, 11:13 PM
I like the controlled round feed just for traditions sake, but it really makes no difference on a deer rifle. Your friend might have a few more choices if he was open to a push feed.

the naked prophet
November 5, 2007, 10:22 AM
I've always wondered, what exactly is "controlled round feed" as relates to a bolt action rifle?

Z_Infidel
November 5, 2007, 10:41 AM
My CZ550FS meets the criteria. Plus, NECG is now offering aftermarket sights for the CZ in case you want an upgrade.

JesseL
November 5, 2007, 12:27 PM
I've always wondered, what exactly is "controlled round feed" as relates to a bolt action rifle?

Controlled round feeding essentially means that as soon as the bolt starts feeding a cartridge, the rim of the cartridge slides up under the extractor and stays there until the cartridge is ejected.

In push feed actions, the extractor doesn't grab the rim of the cartridge until the cartridge is in the chamber and the closing bolt forces the extractor to snap over the rim.

I guess the primary advantages of controlled feeding over push feeding, are:


If you futz operating the bolt and don't get it closed all the way, the extractor can still pull out the round instead of leaving you to dig it out with your fingernails.

If you're holding the rifle at an odd angle, bouncing, shaking, etc; the controlled feed mechanism will still reliably put the round in the chamber correctly as it is held by the extractor and has nowhere to go. A push feed action might let a round bounce out of the action before it's properly chambered.

Gator
November 5, 2007, 03:31 PM
There are a couple of advantages to push feed too. Good article here (http://www.huntontario.com/hunting/firearmsandammo/article.jsp?content=20060823_112614_3392&page=1).

Cougfan2
November 5, 2007, 03:45 PM
Gator Interesting article on controlled vs. push feed. I'd never thought about the issue of dropping a round into the action of a controlled feed rifle and closing the bolt on it as being hard on the extractor, but is makes perfect sense.

ArmedBear
November 5, 2007, 03:46 PM
Not all CRF actions really "control the round" all that much. See this month's Gun Tests for some examples. If a given CRF design doesn't really work as advertised, it's sure not worth limiting your choices over.

In order to find a bunch of good rifles in gun store racks that meet those specs, your friend's best option would be to find someone who has a time machine and go back 50 years or so.

I have a set of Warne QD rings on Warne bases on my .30-06. They return to zero reliably. Instead of back-up sights, which snag brush and clothing easily and can be knocked out of zero at least as easily as a scope, you can carry a spare scope, pre-sighted, in a padded bag, and pop it on in seconds.

And start with a good scope, not whatever is on sale for $40. A good, modern scope is unlikely to fail in the first place. Again, 50 years ago, you couldn't trust a lot of scopes, but things have changed a bit since Eisenhower was President.:)

skinewmexico
November 5, 2007, 07:10 PM
Gator Interesting article on controlled vs. push feed. I'd never thought about the issue of dropping a round into the action of a controlled feed rifle and closing the bolt on it as being hard on the extractor, but is makes perfect sense.

Not unlike a 1911.

Gator
November 5, 2007, 10:04 PM
Both have their good and bad points. Like I said, for tradition's sake I like controlled feed, but the range I shoot at only allows single loading, and pushing every round down into the magazine (CF), vs. just dropping one on top the follower (PF), gets tiring after awhile! I'm thinking of getting a 700 just for that reason. :)

PAC 762
November 6, 2007, 08:51 PM
Thanks for the help, everyone! My friend will not be back from afghanastan for 3 months and he wanted to buy new.

He wants .30-06 because his other centerfire rifle is an M1 and he will be reloading that caliber. He wants to keep things simple.

He wants CRF because he wants it. He wants a general purpose rifle with classic styling (ie- not a scout... and he probably would not like the mannlincher-type) that is as reliable as possible.

I really like the idea of aftermarket peep sight idea for the CZ550. I will pass this on to him.

EJosephW
July 30, 2008, 02:41 PM
The CZ 550 Medium Standard IS available in 30-06 and meets all the requirements your friend is looking for i.e., bolt action, controlled feed, iron sights, etc.

kentucky_smith
July 30, 2008, 03:03 PM
He's probably found something by now.

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