AUSTRALIA has been urged to seriously consider becoming the 51st state of the US.


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2dogs
July 16, 2003, 10:33 AM
* A constitution bringing a republic and a Bill of Rights.

Not really firearms related, but i thought it was interesting, and the Australian members might want to comment.

Wouldn't you like "a constitution" and "Bill of Rights" so that you, too, can pretend that you have gun and other rights?:rolleyes:

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6760977%255E421,00.html

Australia primed to be yanked into US
By Tess Livingstone
July 16, 2003

AUSTRALIA has been urged to seriously consider becoming the 51st state of the US.



And American-born historian Dr David Mosler told a Brisbane audience yesterday there was a 20 per cent chance of Australia becoming an American state in the next 50 years.

The visiting research fellow at Adelaide University, who has lived in Australia since 1971, said the chances would increase significantly in the event of a major Al-Qaeda attack on Australia or if Indonesia became a fundamentalist Islamic republic.

Dr Mosler told the 2003 Fulbright Symposium at Griffith University yesterday that he decided Australia was "an unreformable society" after the loss of the 1999 republic referendum.

Australians, he said, had no flag of their own; a weak sense of nationhood; no prime minister in the Lodge, with John Howard living in Sydney; no national bushfire or water plans, even with the worst drought in history; and no "broad knowledge of nation in public discourse or popular culture". Australians had replaced "Empire with Yanks" after 1942, and the country retained a "quasi-colonial status".

He said Australian governments, attuned to the British, Americans, Japanese and global capital markets, had "sold off the farm" - electricity, water, ports, airports, resources - while Australians weren't offended by such "treasonous behaviour".

He said Australia's passage to American statehood would not be difficult under its Constitution.

He listed the advantages of American statehood for Australia as:

* Access to the world's best higher education system.

* Large savings on embassies.

* Being part of the world's most effective defence system.

* Merger with the world's strongest currency.

* Being part of the world's biggest economy.

* A constitution bringing a republic and a Bill of Rights.

* Fielding teams in the US national basketball, baseball and gridiron competitions.

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Mk VII
July 16, 2003, 10:53 AM
they'll have to get in line behind us then.

cuchulainn
July 16, 2003, 11:01 AM
Manifest Destiny reincarnated?

gun-fucious
July 16, 2003, 11:07 AM
now thats one big state

a few years of ice age weather patterns and the outback will be quite fertile

lets consider it a 10,000 year plan

;)

Gray Peterson
July 16, 2003, 11:18 AM
Australia as a US State?

That would be interesting.

atk
July 16, 2003, 11:26 AM
That would be interesting, but wouldn't it stretch out the US military quite a bit?

cookhj
July 16, 2003, 11:53 AM
to keep this firearms related, you know that IF they did ratify the constitution and If they became a state, you know damn good and well they would keep most if not all of their firearms laws. and i'm sure they would use their constitution and revise it slightly to be their state constitution. then all the liberals in CONUS would say, "oh look at the state of australia! it's so safe and happy because they don't have any evil guns!"

Skunkabilly
July 16, 2003, 11:56 AM
Aaauuugh more time zones to worry about! Arizona's hard enough!

Glock Glockler
July 16, 2003, 12:07 PM
I'd love to see it happen, but we'd have annex Canada first, and we'd hve to boot out all the socialists before that happened. Wait, we need to boot out the sociaists here!

Well, it would give us enhansed military capabilities, ad we could probably handle it if we pulled our troops from all the other silly countries around the globe. As much as I like the idea of an American empire over Anglo peoples and countries, I think we need to clean up our own backyard first. All the socialists there with representation in Congress could spell death for us here.

CZ-75
July 16, 2003, 12:29 PM
That would be interesting, but wouldn't it stretch out the US military quite a bit?

I believe we have tracking installations there already.

Besides, instead of Korea and Okinawa, Guam, etc. we could move our far east forces to Down Under.

KC
July 16, 2003, 12:53 PM
There is a word for this. It begins with an "E" and rhymes with umpire.

Duncan Idaho
July 16, 2003, 01:12 PM
As Standing Wolf would say, "It might rain nickles too."

Thanks anyway Dr. Mosler, but we have already exceeded our quota of socialist hellhole states. MA, MD, NJ, HI, and Kommiefornia spring to mind. :uhoh: :barf: :barf:

brookstexas
July 16, 2003, 01:15 PM
changing the name to South Texas

seeker_two
July 16, 2003, 01:16 PM
He listed the advantages of American statehood for Australia as:

And what are they bringing to the table that would make us want them?...:scrutiny:

.45Ruger
July 16, 2003, 01:43 PM
What would make us want them? I for one would think the hunting alone would attract some of the members here to the idea. Someone said this is empire building, I don't think this would qialify, a people voting to join this country and being accepted in is much different than using armies to conquer and subdue a nation.

sm
July 16, 2003, 02:43 PM
Funny
all the Australians I know, have met, gone to school with and worked with have been super people. Some have served in the military--including being with US troops.

Frustrated with their gov't, firearm laws,sheeple and the like -same as myself with the US. Many knew more about the US Constitution and BoR than my neighbors born and raised in a 2 mile radius of myself. What I heard was the same thing I/we want...just with a different language accent-the heartfelt meaning and desire was sincere.

Aussie:

" We need to stick together, fight for our freedoms and regain what we have lost-strive to not lose more".

" I think we need to send all the anti's , liberals, and those whom would make us subjects -to a country of their own--somewhere, and let them have at it"

Of course I've heard the same from those from: New Zealand, UK, Canada,...

willyjixx
July 16, 2003, 02:48 PM
well il be danged.......

i thought fur shure it be puerto rico...........

MicroBalrog
July 16, 2003, 02:56 PM
No! No! Israel should be 51st! Please!

gunsmith
July 16, 2003, 04:40 PM
Irish gals are cute and they dress much nicer then the shabbily
jean clad gals in Frisco.
I might live in Ireland if I could pack a gun to disperse
the feral goats all over west cork

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 16, 2003, 04:47 PM
Brookstexas, it'd be West Texas East to be more specific. Besides, when Texas reentered the Union after the Great Unpleasantness when the north invaded the United States it reserved the right to subdivide into 5 separate Texas states.

wooo...10 senators from Texas...the mind boggles.

I've never met an Aussie, white or black, who I didn't consider a good bloke.

I wonder what the going rate for raw land around Alice Springs is compared to Amarillo or Lubbock. It's all moonscape anyway, for that matter.

Just think of all the immigration problems that frontier would give, though.


Regards,
Rabbit.

Byron Quick
July 16, 2003, 05:05 PM
Texas' right to subdivide was part of the original admission into the Union.

Hkmp5sd
July 16, 2003, 06:31 PM
They'd pretty much own the House of Representatives. Instead of becoming #51, couldn't we just eject ********** and replace them with Australia?


However, they would make out better by become a U.S. Territory.

Dorian
July 16, 2003, 09:28 PM
They'd pretty much own the House of Representatives. Instead of becoming #51, couldn't we just eject ********** and replace them with Australia?

Only in dreams

KC
July 16, 2003, 09:48 PM
"couldn't we just eject ********** and replace them with Australia?"

Couple things to remember:

-Normally Ca has one of the largest economies on the planet after the US as a whole. Australia is not. This year is kind of an exception, but that's what happens when the proles elect a buch of idiots to run the state locally and represent it nationally.

-Ca produces a very large fraction (majority?) of the non-grain foodstuffs for the rest of the country

-Ca is not yet overtly socialist, Australia is. Nor does Ca pay homage to an inbred buch of snotty germans on the english throne.

-Ca still has a few gunstores and gun owners;)

-Want a superior post-secondary education? It will probably be from a CSU or UC school.

-Wonder where the technology you are reading this post was developed?

fallingblock
July 16, 2003, 11:07 PM
this thread has been running along in the midnight hours here:(

Short answer: "Where do I sign"?/"When's the vote":D

Long answer: There is so much anti-American sentiment in the urban areas of Australia that it would take an Indonesian invasion/rape to achieve this.

And then there's all the anti-gun sheeple here....

But the climate is warmer and drier than the U.S. outside Hawaii and Florida.

As gun-fucious notes, farming prospects would improve markedly with the onset of another major glacial phase.:)

It is great fun to speculate about, though.

Talk about a "free-state project".

My spirit soars at the prospect of importing ten or fifteen million gun nuts into this wide brown land teeming with feral pigs, goats, camels, deer, fox, cats...and then there's the topless beaches (and the bottomless ones too :D ), the relatively cheap and high quality food supply, amazingly cheap oceanfront land and low housing prices.

Please...just do it!:D

WonderNine
July 16, 2003, 11:56 PM
That's the last thing we need....

TexasVet
July 17, 2003, 12:55 AM
but we'd have annex Canada first,

If we just took Western Canada, we wouldn't have to worry about so many socialists. I understand most of them are back East.:D

jimpeel
July 17, 2003, 03:30 AM
There is a word for this. It begins with an "E" and rhymes with umpire.Name one country that voted themselves into any empire. The crux of this article is that Australia would VOLUNTARILY enter the Union not that it would be absorbed through imperialism. Know the difference.AUSTRALIA has been urged to seriously consider becoming the 51st state of the US.

HBK
July 17, 2003, 03:55 AM
Empire isn't neccessarily a bad thing. You should read "Empire" by Niall Ferguson.

Oh yeah, and I would be all for Australia becoming a state. Any country that allows it's women's soccer team to make a topless calender is okay in my book. I also like the roos, wallabys and koalas.

hipower22
July 17, 2003, 04:38 AM
Yes! Bring on the republic and the bill of rights, but let it be an Australian Republic and an Australian Bill of Rights.

Seriously, I don't think will ever become a part of the US, but I can't rule it out. Who can? None of us know what will happen next year, let alone in 50 years.

But Dr Mosler is wrong about the republic referendum and an "unreformable" Australia. Regardless of what he and the Australian prime miniature might think the referendum was lost not because Australians preferred a monarchy, but because they did not want a president selected by the prime minister or the parliament which is the choice they were given.

I believe a majority of Australians do want a republic and a president elected by the people - and that is why the referendum was lost. It will eventually succeed, given time and the right question on the referendum ballot paper.

No flag of their own? A weak sense of nationhood? Where has he been hiding since 1971?

I wouldn't like to see Australia become a mere state of the US, though I do like many aspects of the American system such as the presidential system of government even though I think it has been prostituted to some degree over the years.

Fallingblock, there is some anti American sentiment in urban areas of Australia but I think its depth is over rated. As for the anti gun sheeple, of whom we have more than enough, maybe we could export them to California.

I love this country, with all its many faults, and I am proud of what it has achieved. We can make our own way in the world.

seeker_two
July 17, 2003, 05:30 AM
Oh yeah, and I would be all for Australia becoming a state. Any country that allows it's women's soccer team to make a topless calender is okay in my book.

Please expand on this arguement...:evil:

HBK
July 17, 2003, 05:38 AM
I thought it was self-explanatory. Does the name Bridget Starr ring any bells?

Nightfall
July 17, 2003, 09:29 AM
I think all involved would be much happier if Australia became it's own republic, with it's own BOR, and it's own government. Absorbing an entire nation into another is just asking for trouble we're not prepared for.

Duncan Idaho
July 17, 2003, 09:50 AM
As for the anti gun sheeple, of whom we have more than enough, maybe we could export them to California.Don't you dare! Feed them to the crocs! We have enough of our own Kommiefornians. We don't need any more. In fact, if you have plenty of hungry crocs, maybe we can send some Kommiefornians to you!

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